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Apr 11, 2019 23:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by 123 on Apr 11, 2019 23:38:08 GMT -5
This forum seems to have attracted a small group of strange individuals..My advice is to examine yourselves..
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Post by John on Apr 12, 2019 2:00:56 GMT -5
Hello 123. Why is anyone to be concerned if they are looked at as strange by outsiders? What is there to examine?
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Post by 2fw8212a on Apr 12, 2019 6:15:33 GMT -5
This forum seems to have attracted a small group of strange individuals..My advice is to examine yourselves.. Why do you think that?
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Post by frienduff on Apr 12, 2019 16:26:37 GMT -5
Wherein they think it STRANGE that you ................... This is a moment to REJOICE IN THE LORD . Also remember to pray for this person that perhaps the thought of their heart may be forgiven them . BUT REJOICE IN THE LORD and in the LORD REJOICE .
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Apr 12, 2019 17:10:13 GMT -5
Post by joseph on Apr 12, 2019 17:10:13 GMT -5
Hello 123. Why is anyone to be concerned if they are looked at as strange by outsiders? What is there to examine?
How many times in Proverbs, et al, is it written "A wise man loves criticism, welcomes it ..." and "if we judge ourselves today, we will not be judged later" and "watch out for one another daily, so no one falls into deception from sin" and so forth, "DAILY" (or often as possible , as Scripture repeatedly says) .... so then the op "... examine yourselves..." , no matter the motive, right or wrong, is something "we" already do daily , in harmony with all Scripture, "purifying ourselves (each one, perhaps each other) as HE (MESSIAH SAVIOR KING! IS PURE" !
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Post by Cletus on Apr 12, 2019 21:53:15 GMT -5
i think a better word than strange would be peculiar. a peculiar people have gathered on this forum.
and i actually have examined myself. examined my heart. check out my thread "His ways are..." in that thread i speak on judgment... on examining things/actions for what they are and calling it what it is.
there are lots of calls on this forum to examine yourself... many.
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2019 2:04:25 GMT -5
i think a better word than strange would be peculiar. a peculiar people have gathered on this forum. and i actually have examined myself. examined my heart. check out my thread "His ways are..." in that thread i speak on judgment... on examining things/actions for what they are and calling it what it is. there are lots of calls on this forum to examine yourself... many. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal Priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 1 Peter 2:9
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2019 2:08:20 GMT -5
Hello 123. Why is anyone to be concerned if they are looked at as strange by outsiders? What is there to examine?
How many times in Proverbs, et al, is it written "A wise man loves criticism, welcomes it ..." and "if we judge ourselves today, we will not be judged later" and "watch out for one another daily, so no one falls into deception from sin" and so forth, "DAILY" (or often as possible , as Scripture repeatedly says) .... so then the op "... examine yourselves..." , no matter the motive, right or wrong, is something "we" already do daily , in harmony with all Scripture, "purifying ourselves (each one, perhaps each other) as HE (MESSIAH SAVIOR KING! IS PURE" ! We certainly should all examine ourselves, including our guest 123, but I was speaking of the reason he said we should examine ourselves, being strange. It is one thing to examine ourselves to see if we have sin in our lives, but not for coming across as strange to a guest.
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2019 2:12:23 GMT -5
Wherein they think it strange, that you run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 1 Peter 4:4,5
If you are not looked at as strange by the majority, you have need to be concerned, and to examine yourself.
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2019 2:29:18 GMT -5
I want to address the word cultish. I remember sometime back, over at Worthy Christian Forums, a member called the web-site a cult, and said that George was a cult leader. I thought that was absurd at the time, because I had very definite ideas as to what a cult was in my mind. It was a group that denied the deity of Christ or set a man or woman up as a god or goddess and they held absolute power over their followers. Later on, someone was throwing out the cult label to attack someone, and wanted to hold us to the Dictionary definition, and based on that, any religious group, as well as many other types of groups are cults or cultish. Here is the definition.
1 A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object. 2 A relatively small group of people having beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister. 3 A person or thing that is popular or fashionable, especially among a particular sect of society. 4 A misplaced or excessive admiration to a particular person or thing.
When you take the time to actually look at what a cult is, that charge can be made of people like Charles Stanley or Adrian Rodgers. It can be made of all evangelical Christians that hold to a literal view of the Bible. There are some who like to throw the label around as an attack, and you will even see these cult watch web-sites, but the word really means nothing. I can't think of any religious group out there that I couldn't charge with being a cult.
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2019 2:44:49 GMT -5
This forum seems to have attracted a small group of strange individuals..My advice is to examine yourselves.. While I felt the need to address what you said under a microscope, I am happy you decided to drop by and share your feelings. You are welcome to continue to post in this visitor's section so long as you are not violating our rules. Many of us have had a chance to respond to what you had to say, and why we are not particularly bothered by being called strange or cultish by a visitor. If you have anything else you would like to say, feel free.
This ministry was formed by a small group of people from Worthy Christian Forums, and it wasn't to harm that ministry or anything like that, but it was because we saw a need. For as long as I can remember, WCF has had a habit of placing people on moderator review if they didn't like your views, even if what you were saying wasn't in opposition to their Statement of Faith. They would do that, in the hopes that person would just get tired of having to wait on their posts to get approved or not approved, and they would leave. If that didn't work, they would be banned, and nobody would know what happened. Many of those people did nothing wrong, and we are happy to welcome them here. We have our own Statement of Faith and general guidelines that differ from Worthy Christian Forums. If people are not posting in opposition to those guidelines and the SOF, there is no problem. If they are in opposition, we may remove the posts or if it is a persistent problem, ban those constantly violating those things, but in our first year of existence, we have not chosen to permanently ban anyone. That includes those who had been banned or placed on moderator review at WCF. Many of our members came to us from there, but not all. So in a way, it may appear we are attracting strange people, but I look at it like we are welcoming in true sheep that are being scattered. The main thing we have in common is a belief in the inerrancy of scripture and a belief that we must obey the Bible. We don't see it as a book of good ideas and guidelines, but we see it as something we must follow. In today's church world, that is strange.
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Apr 15, 2019 18:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by 123 on Apr 15, 2019 18:23:01 GMT -5
Bitter & sweet slander gossip arrogance...beware
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2019 0:31:17 GMT -5
Bitter & sweet slander gossip arrogance...beware Could you be more specific? If you think I have said anything that is not true, I am happy to take on specifics one at a time. Maybe you really don't know. Many people do not, because they were not paying close attention or were not in the right place at the right time. I can give you examples of slander, gossip and arrogance and tell you who was involved if you want to discuss such things, but do you want to open that can of worms? I assure you 123, that I would not state something as being true if it was bearing false witness, which is what slander is. If I say I believe something is a certain way, that is what I mean. Based on what I observed, this is my opinion. If I say that something took place, you can take it to the bank that it took place. If you have questions about something, ask. There is one thing I do want to warn you about. If you are a member at said message board, don't think you are safe from having the leadership turn on you. There are many that thought that nobody would touch them, and they have since been banned, and who knows how much is true concerning the official reasons given they were banned. After a while, when I would see a pattern where I knew someone was on the mud list, I started contacting them so I could keep in touch. I would tell them in advance they were on the verge of getting kicked out, and I was generally correct, so I know more about what is going on than the average person. I am not angry anymore. After I had my opportunity to tell them what I thought about their actions, I got over any personal grudges, but I have no reason to cover for them. When I was a member there, I had something to lose in exposing things, but that is not the case anymore. I was placed in a non-conformist category based on a lie. I was falsely accused by the owner of not believing in the inerrancy of scripture, and my beliefs on that subject are stronger than the man who accused me. He couldn't back those charges up, but he didn't care. He had made up his mind he was going to shove me into that category regardless of whether or not my views were in opposition to their SOF or not, so he did. What happened to me was not isolated. They have used deceit to force others out as well, and I can give examples, and tactics they use, that most people are unaware of.
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Post by solid on Apr 16, 2019 9:26:18 GMT -5
I knew there was a lot of bad teaching there, but I didn't know all that was going on!
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2019 22:56:45 GMT -5
I knew there was a lot of bad teaching there, but I didn't know all that was going on! I don't know how long you have been there, but I was a member from 2004 till last year, and I can tell you all kinds of stories that are 100 percent true concerning how they have done members bad, but there is no reason to. Had 123 not said what he did, I wouldn't have even mentioned what I did. If you want to know anything else, you can ask me in a pm.
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