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Post by Rejoice on Mar 19, 2020 9:09:33 GMT -5
I hear preachers and just church people mention things are legalism all the time. I figured the Bible talks about it, but after seeing your thread about legalism as nonsense, I tried to find it in the Bible, and it wasn't there. Are people lying to us about legalism? Where does it come from?
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Post by frienduff on Mar 19, 2020 9:21:33 GMT -5
Its rather odd , but i never even heard the term . TILL i kept bringing the sayings of JESUS and all the apostels who reminded folks TO DO and not hear only . Its rather odd that when one makes mention of to do or not to do , the term legalism gets applied , but i have to say , by grace and reading that bible daily for hours IT SEEMS like they all taught , BE DOERS of the WORD . Just as JESUS had first said , if any mans hears my sayings and does them , or also to those who do them not . Do notice a major difference . THE DOERS stood on THE FOUNDATION which is JESUS . the hearers only , ON SAND and deception . I also notice legalsim is often applied not to all things , but to the things folks DO NOT want to have to CEASE from doing . SOUNDS to me like legalism is just another word for justification OF SIN . examine that and you will see the truth for yourself . An example , if a man commits adultery , yet lies not , he will say reminders like we are not to lie , but bring the point out about his adultery , and he calls that LEGALISM . I notice this stuff ALL THE TIME . legalism is just a way to feel saved while in sin . And that is a fact . it is .
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Post by frienduff on Mar 19, 2020 9:25:49 GMT -5
Its got so bad , now folks are even being called a legalstic if you warn against gay marriage and other paths as being valid too . But as it is written , LET GOD BE TRUE , and every man a liar . STAND ON WHAT GOD says , and not on what men say . And IF JESUS said , That hearers only and not doers , built their foundation on sand , THAT MEANS what it says . And its why james , WHO KNEW we are saved by faith , ALSO KNEW that mouth faith meant NOTHING . its dead faith if works do not accompany it . . The evidence of whether one is truly HIS , will always be seen by their fruits . they will confess by MOUTH JESUS and they will be DOERS of the word .
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Mar 19, 2020 9:27:14 GMT -5
I hear preachers and just church people mention things are legalism all the time. I figured the Bible talks about it, but after seeing your thread about legalism as nonsense, I tried to find it in the Bible, and it wasn't there. Are people lying to us about legalism? Where does it come from? Don't let them convince you obedience to the Lord is legalism. Jesus' grace allows us to be fully obedient. We're not to be mastered by sin.
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Post by frienduff on Mar 19, 2020 9:27:46 GMT -5
Whether one comes to JESUS on their death bed , they are saved . But even if a man began his journey in his youth and lived a ripe old age and nigh his end , took off heeding HIM from heaven , continued not in HIM to the end , that man is cast out .
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Post by frienduff on Mar 19, 2020 9:29:53 GMT -5
I hear preachers and just church people mention things are legalism all the time. I figured the Bible talks about it, but after seeing your thread about legalism as nonsense, I tried to find it in the Bible, and it wasn't there. Are people lying to us about legalism? Where does it come from? Don't let them convince you obedience to the Lord is legalism. Jesus' grace allows us to be fully obedient. We're not to be mastered by sin. Let every man , woman and child , read that one more time naominash . EXACTLY . JESUS came to set folks free . Not to FEEL free to sin or in sin , BUT FROM SIN . WE GOT ALL WE NEED IN HIM to OVERCOME . Thank you dear sister for this wonderful , marvelous reminder . And if one does err , we correct them , we confess our faults , we have no desire to be ruled by sin and we have all we need to get us through every temptation and trial , HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST THE HOLY LORD .
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Post by Cletus on Mar 19, 2020 16:50:55 GMT -5
what legalism really is is saying you can earn your way by doing good, no faith or belief in Jesus needed. when one takes this position they leave off obedience being commanded by God... and being the way we are to live. what they dont realize is that God is SOOOO GOOD, SOOOO RIGHTEOUS, that He will not ever not judge sin. repentance is not optional. therefore heretics and false teachers have had to redefine repentance and grace. they have even had to come up with another gospel. one that gives false hope. i say again, repentance is not optional, that is if you desire eternal life.
the sad thing is to the unlearned of the scriptures is their gospel sounds good. but how can it when they deny so much scripture?... even red letter scripture???
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Post by John on Mar 26, 2020 6:18:39 GMT -5
Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as legalism. The word legalism, legalistic, or anything like that is not found in the Bible. It is something the modern church made up and calls a sin to keep people from coming against "things." They do not like it when anyone preaches against specific sins, especially if they are guilty, so they accuse those who preach on individual issues of being legalists. Jesus said that if we want to be great in the Kingdom of God, we will keep and teach the least commandments. That would make Jesus a legalist. Not surprisingly, many reject a lot of the teachings of Jesus, and say they do not apply to us today.
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Post by solid on Mar 26, 2020 8:38:55 GMT -5
I hear preachers and just church people mention things are legalism all the time. I figured the Bible talks about it, but after seeing your thread about legalism as nonsense, I tried to find it in the Bible, and it wasn't there. Are people lying to us about legalism? Where does it come from? Don't let them convince you obedience to the Lord is legalism. Jesus' grace allows us to be fully obedient. We're not to be mastered by sin. If we are born again, we are given a new nature. How can we that are dead to sin keep living in sin? If you are still living in sin, I don't believe you are really saved.
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Post by frienduff on Mar 26, 2020 8:50:13 GMT -5
Don't let them convince you obedience to the Lord is legalism. Jesus' grace allows us to be fully obedient. We're not to be mastered by sin. If we are born again, we are given a new nature. How can we that are dead to sin keep living in sin? If you are still living in sin, I don't believe you are really saved. As paul once said , if any man has NOT the SPIRIT of CHRIST , he is NONE OF HIS . AND IF WE HAVE the SPIRIT then the body is dead because of SIN . if folks can walk in sin , and justify thier sin , they no different than i once was . I too on rare occasion could say that JESUS only saves , but i lived , breathed and ate for my own lustful appeitite . WHICH MEANT , I WAS NOT HIS , I WAS NOT BORN AGAIN . praise the LORD FOR OPENING the eyes of this man who was once dead in sin and not dead TO SIN . here lets repeat that line . FOR we need to be not DEAD IN SIN , BUT DEAD TO SIN .
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Post by frienduff on Mar 26, 2020 8:56:11 GMT -5
There is power , power , wonder working power IN THE BLOOD , of the LAMB . that is not just a nice sounding song . ITS REAL . For the WORD of GOD is sharper than any two edged sword , it can cut clean through all bone and marrow and unto and into our spirit . The blood of JESUS , is not like the blood of calves and bull which only purifies the flesh , OH NO , IT GOES MUCH DEEPER than all that . IT CAN CLEANS AND PURIFY THE VERY INNER CONSCIOUS of one . Reckon yourselves to be indeed dead unto sin . For he who is dead to sin , is freed from sin . Our reasonable service is TO FOLLOW AND OBEY CHRIST , the SPIRIT . But this dont get taught no more . and thus the whole of the truth is no longer taught . So let me remind us again , with JOY . Most every one knows only a part of why JESUS paid the price of our sins on that cross . They know , and sadly use it for the flesh , they know that JESUS paid the price of sin , What they choose to willfully igonrant of is What peter and paul both said as well . He took our sins in his flesh upon the tree , SO THAT WE BEING DEAD TO SIN SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS . THAT is the part THAT IS NO LONGER TAUGHT . which means , i dont think the conversion was REAL AT ALL . because IF we are truly converted BY TRUE FAITH , would we not HAVE THE SPIRIT and would not a NEW WALK BEGIN . exactly .
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Mar 26, 2020 8:57:31 GMT -5
There is power , power , wonder working power IN THE BLOOD , of the LAMB . that is not just a nice sounding song . ITS REAL . For the WORD of GOD is sharper than any two edged sword , it can cut clean through all bone and marrow and unto and into our spirit . The blood of JESUS , is not like the blood of calves and bull which only purifies the flesh , OH NO , IT GOES MUCH DEEPER than all that . IT CAN CLEANS AND PURIFY THE VERY INNER CONSCIOUS of one . Reckon yourselves to be indeed dead unto sin . For he who is dead to sin , is freed from sin . Our reasonable service is TO FOLLOW AND OBEY CHRIST , the SPIRIT . But this dont get taught no more . and thus the whole of the truth is no longer taught . So let me remind us again , with JOY . Most every one knows only a part of why JESUS paid the price of our sins on that cross . They know , and sadly use it for the flesh , they know that JESUS paid the price of sin , What they choose to willfully igonrant of is What peter and paul both said as well . He took our sins in his flesh upon the tree , SO THAT WE BEING DEAD TO SIN SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS . THAT is the part THAT IS NO LONGER TAUGHT . which means , i dont think the conversion was REAL AT ALL . because IF we are truly converted BY TRUE FAITH , would we not HAVE THE SPIRIT and would not a NEW WALK BEGIN . exactly . It is really really sad that this doesn't get taught anymore. True lambs are hungry for victory in their walk but they're not receiving the right guidance.
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Post by frienduff on Mar 26, 2020 9:01:25 GMT -5
There is power , power , wonder working power IN THE BLOOD , of the LAMB . that is not just a nice sounding song . ITS REAL . For the WORD of GOD is sharper than any two edged sword , it can cut clean through all bone and marrow and unto and into our spirit . The blood of JESUS , is not like the blood of calves and bull which only purifies the flesh , OH NO , IT GOES MUCH DEEPER than all that . IT CAN CLEANS AND PURIFY THE VERY INNER CONSCIOUS of one . Reckon yourselves to be indeed dead unto sin . For he who is dead to sin , is freed from sin . Our reasonable service is TO FOLLOW AND OBEY CHRIST , the SPIRIT . But this dont get taught no more . and thus the whole of the truth is no longer taught . So let me remind us again , with JOY . Most every one knows only a part of why JESUS paid the price of our sins on that cross . They know , and sadly use it for the flesh , they know that JESUS paid the price of sin , What they choose to willfully igonrant of is What peter and paul both said as well . He took our sins in his flesh upon the tree , SO THAT WE BEING DEAD TO SIN SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS . THAT is the part THAT IS NO LONGER TAUGHT . which means , i dont think the conversion was REAL AT ALL . because IF we are truly converted BY TRUE FAITH , would we not HAVE THE SPIRIT and would not a NEW WALK BEGIN . exactly . It is really really sad that this doesn't get taught anymore. True lambs are hungry for victory in their walk but they're not receiving the right guidance. When i restructure your sentence , i bet you leap with joy . Lets get just a bit more specific . IT is really sad that this doesnt get taught anymore . TRUE LAMBS are hungry for victory in their walk but they are not recieving the right guidance from most men , HOWEVER and this is the beauty of it , THEY ARE RECIEVING the RIGHT GUIDANCE FROM GOD . THINK about that one . cause what i learned , WAS not from those many men . BUT FROM GOD and in that BIBLE . GOD LEADS HIS OWN . OH YES HE DOES . You leap for joy sister .
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Mar 26, 2020 9:06:05 GMT -5
It is really really sad that this doesn't get taught anymore. True lambs are hungry for victory in their walk but they're not receiving the right guidance. When i restructure your sentence , i bet you leap with joy . Lets get just a bit more specific . IT is really sad that this doesnt get taught anymore . TRUE LAMBS are hungry for victory in their walk but they are not recieving the right guidance from most men , HOWEVER and this is the beauty of it , THEY ARE RECIEVING the RIGHT GUIDANCE FROM GOD . THINK about that one . cause what i learned , WAS not from those many men . BUT FROM GOD and in that BIBLE . GOD LEADS HIS OWN . OH YES HE DOES . You leap for joy sister . \O/
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Post by 777 on Apr 3, 2020 8:17:24 GMT -5
I hear preachers and just church people mention things are legalism all the time. I figured the Bible talks about it, but after seeing your thread about legalism as nonsense, I tried to find it in the Bible, and it wasn't there. Are people lying to us about legalism? Where does it come from? People are lying about legalism, and like other false doctrines, most of the anti-legalism teaching is doctrines of devils. I'm glad you took time to look into it. Most just assume it is in the Bible. One guy at Worthy tried to say the word Judaizer is in the Bible and it is the same thing. Guess what? That is not there either. One starts the lie while willing accomplices spread it.
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