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Post by John on Apr 30, 2020 4:55:47 GMT -5
Now I know that we cannot completely trust these numbers, and who knows if in some cases they are really higher, and in other cases they are really lower, but in any rate, this is what these statistics show: ([info from: coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality ]) Cases and mortality by country
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Country US Italy Spain France United Kingdom Belgium Germany Iran China Brazil Netherlands Turkey Canada Sweden Switzerland |
| Confirmed 988,197 199,414 229,422 165,963 158,348 46,687 158,758 91,472 83,918 67,446 38,440 112,261 49,616 18,926 29,164
| Deaths 56,259 26,977 23,521 23,327 21,157 7,207 6,126 5,806 4,637 4,603 4,534 2,900 2,841 2,274 1,665
| Case-Fatality 5.7% 13.5% 10.3% 14.1% 13.4% 15.4% 3.9% 6.3% 5.5% 6.8% 11.8% 2.6% 5.7% 12.0% 5.7%
| Deaths/100k pop. 17.20 44.64 50.34 34.82 31.82 63.10 7.39 7.10 0.33 2.20 26.31 3.52 7.67 22.33 19.55
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Obviously, the actual number of people infected in my country is higher.
They only tested obvious cases. We simply cannot test all people, we're far from that.
Then, the actual number of infected people is higher.
But deaths are acceptable as they are testing dead people with strong signs of COVID-19. There is no way to know how many have it, and recover on their own without ever being tested. I suspect a lot.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 30, 2020 6:35:35 GMT -5
The simple truth is , corona is bad , and the govts are simply using it for an agenda as well . They wont let a crisis go to waste . But with all that said , Fear not man nor what he can do , nor plague . Simply trust in the LORD and walk faithful In HIM to the end . This life is but a vapor , but eternal life has no measure . IF we have CHRIST , THEN WE GOT ALL HOPE and our end IS GOOD . Now hands up my friends , for it is time to praise the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 30, 2020 6:44:18 GMT -5
Obviously, the actual number of people infected in my country is higher.
They only tested obvious cases. We simply cannot test all people, we're far from that.
Then, the actual number of infected people is higher.
But deaths are acceptable as they are testing dead people with strong signs of COVID-19. There is no way to know how many have it, and recover on their own without ever being tested. I suspect a lot.
Look at the second highest country . two hundred twenty nine thousand four hundred and twenty two . Then look at new york alone at almost three hundred thousand . NO more lighting towers up pink for murder . That should be the message or at least one of the messages to come out of this , THEN followed with this message , REPENT and BELEIVE lest something even worse comes upon it . And already i see a far worse thing growing and advancing , and worse i see many going under it in one form or another . now its a deadly death dealing virus this thing is . Far worse and far more deadly than even the black death , ebola , sars , mers or any plague . For this we be one virus leads to a death that no plague on this earth can cause , THE SECOND DEATH of the body and soul in hell fire . The inclusvie has done its work and continues to do its lethal work . Fear not what is to come upon the earth . fear not what men will do unto us in the coming days . Pray that you enter not into temptation and let no man fall with the error of the wicked . What is and what is to come cannot be stopped by any man . All the things spoken of in that bible SHALL RUN their course . GOD IS IN CONTROL and HE knows all , the end from the beginning , there is nothing hidden from his sight and nothing HE does not know . In mercy HE simply has through CHRIST , through prophets and the apostels too , SHOWN us what the end time signs would be looking like . HE ALREADY KNEW , HE WAS and IS ALSO ALWAYS IN CONTROL . As i know you know my friend . Let us armour up , cause something sinistir wicked this way does come . And we must resist it and its lie and remain FAITHIFUL ONLY TO CHRIST and all HE DID TEACH and all that the apostels did as well . BATTLE TIME .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 30, 2020 6:56:09 GMT -5
For years and through all ages the enemy has done war against the one true church , NO IT AINT ROME I SPEAK OF , i mean the true believers . For years and throughout the ages , he has come to do war . and for years and through all ages the true lambs have resisted the lies and many have died as well for being faithful to Christ . It knows its time is short , it brings the largest peace offering the world has ever seen , the all inclusive we be one . LET NO MAN HEED IT . Satan knows how to destroy and does so from within . And now the religoins as one more and more and the peoples as one more and more are uniting under the largest trogan horse peace offering ever . DO NOT OPEN , DO NOT EVEN LET that HORSE through the gates of your heart , for though it appears beautiful on the outside , ITS FULL OF DEAD MEN and death plagues of a lie . DO NOT let it enter into your mind , your heart , Cling only to JESUS loving everything HE did say and teach and that the apostels did as well , loving all holy doctrine . Soon the cry will be made and the world will see what was , who was behind that horse and in that day its all inclusive love speeches , its unity and tolerance speeches will be seen for what it really was all about . THIS WAS NEVER about a god who loves THE WORLD , IT WAs about one WHO wants to rid the earth of EVERY LAMB . And its so called love and tolerance will be seen for the hate and murder of its heart . For all it desired was war against the lambs and thus over the years it gathered and is gathering the world to be as ONE , so as TO COME AGAINST the lambs . What is coming is coming , and we must not fear men . CLING TO KING . if we die , we shall only be present with THE KING . Forward march . BATTLE TIME . get much sound doctrine and reminders of pure truth pumped out and be exhorting one another daily .
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Post by Cletus on Apr 30, 2020 7:23:16 GMT -5
of course the media will sensationalize it. they always do. some hospitals are hit hard. some do not have enough places to store the bodies. some morgues are over capacity. this thing aint no joke. i work in healthcare. please yall, dont take this thing as a joke. it is being over stated yes... but this thing is killing healthy people. not just those who have underlying conditions. there is a lot of misinformation going around. this corona has 8 strains thats known. there are hundreds of different corona viruses. even cattle have a covid injection you can get at tractor supply. the strains are different. of the 8 going around now these are not so bad to some but can still kill to straight killer. it also depends on how bad your exposure is. not just your immune system. i know of people who have it and have died. healthy people. no other conditions. also, nurses are not doctors. they know more than most folks but they dont know as much as doctors. they really are not qualified to speak on the whole of the matter/what we should or shouldnt do. they are qualified to follow doctor orders. to assist doctors. that may upset some nurses, but i have encountered doctors telling me the opposite of what nurses say and the nurse swears up and down based on their training. i keep hand sanitizer in my truck and use it every time i pump gas, touch a door knob, go to public places. i limit my going in public. i also sterilize the gas pump handle, truck door lever, steering wheel, etc. this thing can be deadly. and it may not be you, but someone you carry it to. Considering where you work, and who you come in contact with, you need to be extra careful. I do think that places like nursing homes need to take more extreme measures to protect vulnerable patients, including limiting visitors, but I would support that even if there was a bad flu epidemic. Elderly people are always more vulnerable.
yes sir.
the company i work for is not opening up as the government does. in fact its going the opposite way. tighter restrictions and extra safety measures. in fact if they tighten up much more i will have to find another job.
no visitors. not even all the doctors can come in. it depends on what they do. no outside food for residents. everything must be sterilized and set in a safe room for 3 days. we are one of the facilities that does not have it, thank God.
i do agree if the dollar collapses and we have famine it would be worse. its just a lot of people are not taking this thing serious. its not just a chest cold. healthy nurses in their prime of life have had their heart rupture and other organs damaged also. its not just the wrath of God destroying the wicked... i know chaaplins at the prisons... they are not with us anymore. i trust what happens from here out is Gods plan tho. I am not going to bang my head on a wall, like Jobs wife suggested. The Book says all nations kings will AGREE TO GIVE THEIR KINGDOM TO the great whore who rides the beast. i just choose to not loose any sleep over it. i am going to focus on Jesus thru it all... because its God's will being fulfilled. protest all you want. only thing will change is the date... and the rulers authority on earth. but for me... im going home now... live with Jesus... when i lay my burden down. plainly... the world will be shaken and burn. we will all suffer loss. we will be pressed from all sides. but i will do like Job did(kinda)... The LORD gives and takes away... and i will still praise Him. (till the break of dawn... the nations will rage... but i am going to wake up and still hear the songs God puts in my heart, and live a life of WORSHIP, ADORATION, THANKFULLNESS,PRAISE, ETC. ETC.) I DONT CARE WHAT THE WORLD DOES no more.
and Giller idk what post it was you made... but rev. 17 gives interpretation of "many waters" maybe take a look and pray on it. see how it applies to your post.
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Post by Giller on Apr 30, 2020 9:25:44 GMT -5
Considering where you work, and who you come in contact with, you need to be extra careful. I do think that places like nursing homes need to take more extreme measures to protect vulnerable patients, including limiting visitors, but I would support that even if there was a bad flu epidemic. Elderly people are always more vulnerable.
yes sir.
the company i work for is not opening up as the government does. in fact its going the opposite way. tighter restrictions and extra safety measures. in fact if they tighten up much more i will have to find another job.
no visitors. not even all the doctors can come in. it depends on what they do. no outside food for residents. everything must be sterilized and set in a safe room for 3 days. we are one of the facilities that does not have it, thank God.
i do agree if the dollar collapses and we have famine it would be worse. its just a lot of people are not taking this thing serious. its not just a chest cold. healthy nurses in their prime of life have had their heart rupture and other organs damaged also. its not just the wrath of God destroying the wicked... i know chaaplins at the prisons... they are not with us anymore. i trust what happens from here out is Gods plan tho. I am not going to bang my head on a wall, like Jobs wife suggested. The Book says all nations kings will AGREE TO GIVE THEIR KINGDOM TO the great whore who rides the beast. i just choose to not loose any sleep over it. i am going to focus on Jesus thru it all... because its God's will being fulfilled. protest all you want. only thing will change is the date... and the rulers authority on earth. but for me... im going home now... live with Jesus... when i lay my burden down. plainly... the world will be shaken and burn. we will all suffer loss. we will be pressed from all sides. but i will do like Job did(kinda)... The LORD gives and takes away... and i will still praise Him. (till the break of dawn... the nations will rage... but i am going to wake up and still hear the songs God puts in my heart, and live a life of WORSHIP, ADORATION, THANKFULLNESS,PRAISE, ETC. ETC.) I DONT CARE WHAT THE WORLD DOES no more.
and Giller idk what post it was you made... but rev. 17 gives interpretation of "many waters" maybe take a look and pray on it. see how it applies to your post. Thanks for mentioning the Rev 17 thing, I will post what I found in my thread called " Prophecy claim that the U.S is mystery Babylon".
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Post by Giller on Apr 30, 2020 9:48:01 GMT -5
of course the media will sensationalize it. they always do. some hospitals are hit hard. some do not have enough places to store the bodies. some morgues are over capacity. this thing aint no joke. i work in healthcare. please yall, dont take this thing as a joke. it is being over stated yes... but this thing is killing healthy people. not just those who have underlying conditions. there is a lot of misinformation going around. this corona has 8 strains thats known. there are hundreds of different corona viruses. even cattle have a covid injection you can get at tractor supply. the strains are different. of the 8 going around now these are not so bad to some but can still kill to straight killer. it also depends on how bad your exposure is. not just your immune system. i know of people who have it and have died. healthy people. no other conditions. also, nurses are not doctors. they know more than most folks but they dont know as much as doctors. they really are not qualified to speak on the whole of the matter/what we should or shouldnt do. they are qualified to follow doctor orders. to assist doctors. that may upset some nurses, but i have encountered doctors telling me the opposite of what nurses say and the nurse swears up and down based on their training. i keep hand sanitizer in my truck and use it every time i pump gas, touch a door knob, go to public places. i limit my going in public. i also sterilize the gas pump handle, truck door lever, steering wheel, etc. this thing can be deadly. and it may not be you, but someone you carry it to. Oh I do not think it is a joke, but it is being sensationalized. And I seen opinions with doctors that do not say the same thing, so not all are in agreement, even within doctors.
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Post by Giller on Apr 30, 2020 12:05:46 GMT -5
Obviously, the actual number of people infected in my country is higher.
They only tested obvious cases. We simply cannot test all people, we're far from that.
Then, the actual number of infected people is higher.
But deaths are acceptable as they are testing dead people with strong signs of COVID-19. There is no way to know how many have it, and recover on their own without ever being tested. I suspect a lot.
This is very possible and likely. Because not all have been tested. And at the same time, how many in those numbers are truly covid, because I have read that even some of the tests that they use is not always accurate. And flue wise, many upon many people get this, I know every now and again I have gotten the flue. Some even get it once a year, and some even get the flue even though they were vaccinated. To me the numbers are a question mark ? ? ?
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Post by frienduff on Apr 30, 2020 12:36:20 GMT -5
There is no way to know how many have it, and recover on their own without ever being tested. I suspect a lot.
This is very possible and likely. Because not all have been tested. And at the same time, how many in those numbers are truly covid, because I have read that even some of the tests that they use is not always accurate. And flue wise, many upon many people get this, I know every now and again I have gotten the flue. Some even get it once a year, and some even get the flue even though they were vaccinated. To me the numbers are a question mark ? ? ? Another sign was posted where i go to pay my bill . that is like the fourth sign . ITS not lookin good giller . The agenda is working . cash is being pushed out fast . They will not stop my dear friend , the system of total darkness is what they build now . of couse most have no clue its the system of darkness their fear and so forth is ushering in . BUT IT IS . We truly do not war against flesh and blood , but against dark , dark spirits in high places . They got no idea who they serve , nor whose kingdom they build now . This is no conspiracy . the elites work for satan and know it not . and massive amounts of folks are influecned by satan and know it not . We are closing in on that final hour big time . our strength is OF THE LORD . it matters not if i go in my sleep , any lamb of JESUS has strenth with or without me . FOR GOD IS our strength and JESUS IS OUR HOPE . forward march , BATTLE TIME .
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Post by Cletus on Apr 30, 2020 19:17:16 GMT -5
of course the media will sensationalize it. they always do. some hospitals are hit hard. some do not have enough places to store the bodies. some morgues are over capacity. this thing aint no joke. i work in healthcare. please yall, dont take this thing as a joke. it is being over stated yes... but this thing is killing healthy people. not just those who have underlying conditions. there is a lot of misinformation going around. this corona has 8 strains thats known. there are hundreds of different corona viruses. even cattle have a covid injection you can get at tractor supply. the strains are different. of the 8 going around now these are not so bad to some but can still kill to straight killer. it also depends on how bad your exposure is. not just your immune system. i know of people who have it and have died. healthy people. no other conditions. also, nurses are not doctors. they know more than most folks but they dont know as much as doctors. they really are not qualified to speak on the whole of the matter/what we should or shouldnt do. they are qualified to follow doctor orders. to assist doctors. that may upset some nurses, but i have encountered doctors telling me the opposite of what nurses say and the nurse swears up and down based on their training. i keep hand sanitizer in my truck and use it every time i pump gas, touch a door knob, go to public places. i limit my going in public. i also sterilize the gas pump handle, truck door lever, steering wheel, etc. this thing can be deadly. and it may not be you, but someone you carry it to. Oh I do not think it is a joke, but it is being sensationalized. And I seen opinions with doctors that do not say the same thing, so not all are in agreement, even within doctors. not all doctors can be trusted. malpractice. insurance scams... i have even got the short end of the stick of treatment so a doc could cash in on insurance money. its a dark world we live in. some docs are being paid to report certain things... some are paid to prescribe certain drugs. on the other end of the spectrum you have doctors that are liberal quacks. and lets also keep in mind its sometimes a good idea to get a second/third opinion. people trust doctors to much, and they are just people. doctors/scientists wield to much power. many of them are not as involved in their patients treatment and overlook stuff. doctors really shouldn't be telling us what we should be doing or not doing. maybe foods to not eat, OK. how to get treatment, OK. but not to control society. its just like different churches disagree... no two are exactly the same ... not with doctors either. agendas, beliefs, loyalty to the hand that feeds them. you pay someone as much as doctors, and they dont have the integrity of The Spirit in them... they will say what their boss wants them to. sign off on whatever. including papers with judges to order a lockdown. the places that are observing safety protocols... they are not hit as hard. where i work... we went full throttle early. in the first stages it was do we wear masks and risk not having them later or do we play it safe ... we said wear them now. we do not have the wuhan fever in my facility. in my company we have sister facilities that said oh no we are scared we wont have provision later... they got covid in their facilities today. handwashing, hand sanitizer, masks... these are all things apart of whats called infection control. they work. thats why we have procedures outlined today... they have proven over and over to work. in hospitals, nursing homes, kitchens. if everyone did this some clinics might close or have hard times making ends meet.
i know nurses in their early 30's and late 20's... they caught this fever and they died. they was healthy. autopsy shows bad things going on in their body. not just lungs, but to the heart liver kidneys, etc. it attacks everything. healthy hearts can rupture with this bug.
truth is if we follow certain protocols for opening back up we could do so safely. but people are not even following the orders now. if we open back up and people just want to party it up... and they do, it wont be good. most people do not really understand infection control... i didnt either until i received proper training.
i want to be crystal clear on something. i do not like the communist model we have in place now. and thats all i can really say on that as if i say more i will need to repent later.
we should open back up... but with certain safety standards implemented.
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Post by Giller on Apr 30, 2020 20:24:01 GMT -5
Oh I do not think it is a joke, but it is being sensationalized. And I seen opinions with doctors that do not say the same thing, so not all are in agreement, even within doctors. not all doctors can be trusted. malpractice. insurance scams... i have even got the short end of the stick of treatment so a doc could cash in on insurance money. its a dark world we live in. some docs are being paid to report certain things... some are paid to prescribe certain drugs. on the other end of the spectrum you have doctors that are liberal quacks. and lets also keep in mind its sometimes a good idea to get a second/third opinion. people trust doctors to much, and they are just people. doctors/scientists wield to much power. many of them are not as involved in their patients treatment and overlook stuff. doctors really shouldn't be telling us what we should be doing or not doing. maybe foods to not eat, OK. how to get treatment, OK. but not to control society. its just like different churches disagree... no two are exactly the same ... not with doctors either. agendas, beliefs, loyalty to the hand that feeds them. you pay someone as much as doctors, and they dont have the integrity of The Spirit in them... they will say what their boss wants them to. sign off on whatever. including papers with judges to order a lockdown. the places that are observing safety protocols... they are not hit as hard. where i work... we went full throttle early. in the first stages it was do we wear masks and risk not having them later or do we play it safe ... we said wear them now. we do not have the wuhan fever in my facility. in my company we have sister facilities that said oh no we are scared we wont have provision later... they got covid in their facilities today. handwashing, hand sanitizer, masks... these are all things apart of whats called infection control. they work. thats why we have procedures outlined today... they have proven over and over to work. in hospitals, nursing homes, kitchens. if everyone did this some clinics might close or have hard times making ends meet.
i know nurses in their early 30's and late 20's... they caught this fever and they died. they was healthy. autopsy shows bad things going on in their body. not just lungs, but to the heart liver kidneys, etc. it attacks everything. healthy hearts can rupture with this bug.
truth is if we follow certain protocols for opening back up we could do so safely. but people are not even following the orders now. if we open back up and people just want to party it up... and they do, it wont be good. most people do not really understand infection control... i didnt either until i received proper training.
i want to be crystal clear on something. i do not like the communist model we have in place now. and thats all i can really say on that as if i say more i will need to repent later.
we should open back up... but with certain safety standards implemented.
Oh no doubt there should be safety standards of some kind, and I believe that we should open back up as well, I do not think there should have been as much closings of businesses as there was, for people need to make a living. I guess we can only do the best we can, while never neglecting to obey what the Lord says, such as gathering, or if he leads us to lay hands on the sick and them recovering, and preaching the gospel to every creature. And I believe that God can protect us from this virus, and of course we should have some carefulness to some degree or another, concerning this. All I do know is there needs to be a balance, and not so much focus on the one thing, but focus on all things and all needs, whether it be physical, spiritual and mental needs. And in this isolation, all needs are not being met. There can always be some risks to things, and some amount of risks for all needs to be met has to be taken, otherwise, things will be even worse. God is a God that provides for all our needs. And there is healing in him. Pro 4:20-22 (20) My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. (21) Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. (22) For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.
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Post by Giller on Apr 30, 2020 21:52:56 GMT -5
Of course I am not a doctor, but it is evident that there is some type of virus, but also lies, and cover ups, and stirring up fear, and sensationalizing things.
I do know that God himself gave us the immune system, and how much do we truly know about how the immune system actually works?
And how much do we know about what natural remedies work, and natural plants, and medicine in the pharmacies and so on ?
One thing I do know is that God put things in nature that can help us in some way, and there is vitamin c, and of course getting vitamin D from the sun is good.
And we know fruits and vegetables are good for us.
And it has been mentioned that there is not total freedom to innovate in the medical field, especially if it goes against the plans of the elite, or the W.H.O and so on.
Is there innovations being prevented from coming forth?
And in medical school, I do not doubt that there is some truths being thought, but how much of truth, who knows, and how much info is being prevented from getting into medical school training?
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Post by Giller on May 5, 2020 9:12:03 GMT -5
Of course people that are immune compromised, and so on, do have to be careful, and in the bible concerning leprousy, it was the ones who had leprousy and so on, which were put outside the camp or were quarantined, but the healthy were not, the able were not.
That's the bible, and maybe covid is different but nevertheless concerning an example of a spreadable disease in the bible, that is the example we have, the priests would examine the people who seemed to have leprousy, and then they would be put outside the camp.
But for the rest it was business as usual, but I do think some measures should be in place, concerning covid, but in a big way businesses should be allowed to operate, people should be allowed to make ends meat, and so on.
They are not taking, in the overall, a balanced approach to were all needs are met, and God's way is that all needs are met.
And really it is about control, and the W.H.O is actually an organisation of the U.N. .
So with all this said, here is a video that was mentioned to me:
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Post by Giller on May 5, 2020 9:58:37 GMT -5
Here are organisations that are part of the U.N. :
(http://ask.un.org/faq/140935)
(...UN specialized agencies are international organizations that coordinate their work with the United Nations through negotiated agreements.... ...There are currently 17 specialized agencies:
Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD) International Labour Organization (ILO) International Maritime Organization (IMO) International Monetary Fund (IMF) International Telecommunications Union (ITU) United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) United Nations Industrial Development Organization (UNIDO) Universal Postal Union (UPU) World Bank Group: IBRD: International Bank for Reconstruction and Development IDA: International Development Association IFC: International Finance Corporation World Health Organization (WHO) World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) World Meteorological Organization (WMO) World Tourism Organization (UNWTO)...)
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Post by Giller on May 5, 2020 10:15:33 GMT -5
And I am 100% for washing hands, and in the bible (Old Testament), there was all kinds of washing ceremonies and so on.
But say we wash our hands to the point of a clean freak, should we do so to that extreme? Or should there be a balance of washing our hands, but also allowing our immune system to work, to were we sometimes touch surfaces?
For it is impossible not to touch any surface.
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