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Post by 2fw8212a on Mar 20, 2019 16:38:09 GMT -5
...hearing (hearing the Spirit of God open up the Word to our hearts). What do you think? I believe it means to receive understanding from the Spirit.
"...no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God." - 1 Corinthians 2:11
"...God has revealed them to us through His Spirit.
For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God." - 1 Corinthians 2:10 Then there is a clear difference between hearing and hearing.
"For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them;
but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it." - Hebrews 4:2
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life..." - John 5:24
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Post by PG4Him on Apr 12, 2019 16:00:14 GMT -5
I didn’t know I was being asked to revisit this. I just happened to catch up on old threads.
We have two separate issues here. First is how to receive truth by faith, and the other is how to abide in that truth so it will stick.
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word. In Greek this is rhema, which is not written words in a document, but is a word in conversation. A statement, a message, an utterance. Have you ever been in school where you read a page in a textbook and it seemed like the words were just laying there? You saw them, and you knew what they were as individual words, but together they were meaningless. Same with the Bible. Jesus spoke in parables because the kingdom of God is shut away from this world. When you hear good preaching that adds a spontaneous, conversational depth to the words, this is like a math teacher going over the textbook. Rhema lets you see what’s being said. How can they believe without a preacher, and how can a preacher go lest he be sent?
Personally I don’t believe a preacher is “sent” just because he feels an itch to preach and he drummed up some funding to pay for it. I believe good preachers are given an inspired rhema that will truly educate people, and God sends them out to the right audience to hear that message. Many baby Christians waste time listening to one bad preacher after another based on popularity, influence, YouTube suggestions, etc. We need to be in prayer for God to introduce us to the right preaching.
When we actually understand God’s promises, we have something to hold on to. That’s when a seed begins to land in our soil.
Then we must take heed to the Beatitudes because this shows us how to avoid the wasted seed. If we don’t want thorns and thistles of this world to choke us, we best be clinging to what Jesus said about treasures in heaven. We ignore this at our peril. As soon as we turn our eyes to worldly treasures, those thorns begin to grow. The Beatitudes are there to protect us from avoidable mistakes that kill our seed. They keep us humble, teachable, thoughtful, and sincere, which will go a long way in guarding our souls.
Also, personally, I don’t think it’s possible for humans to exude the fruit of the Spirit by choice. We can choose to patient and loving to the best of human capacity, but it won’t be agape love unless the Holy Spirit provides it.
The Beatitudes are really not a list of works. It’s more of a lifestyle framework that keeps us out of trouble, which cleans up our vessel over time and allows the Holy Spirit to be more active in us.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 13, 2019 14:48:35 GMT -5
The beatitudes show us attitudes pleasing to God. Fruit of the Spirit shows us character the Holy Ghost wants us to have, and if we do, we are not under a schoolmaster, because we are living a lifestyle pleasing to God already. Still, these are about attitudes and character rather than laws. Many claim to be walking in the Spirit, but they have little fruit. Spirit-led to them is feelings.
How do we do the beatitudes and truly walk in the Spirit? How do we break up our fallow ground? To me, it must mean being aware of these teachings, and practicing them till they become part of us. I believe people think this occurs automatically, with no effort, and it doesn't work that way.
Back to the OP. How do I obtain more faith, which is a fruit of the Spirit? I think you have to practice walking in it. I believe it is a daily decision to believe God's Word and obey it.
We know many can quaote the fruits of the Spirit . Yet their version of even those words contradict THE TRUE FRUIT of the SPIRIT . We have heard many men quoate the nine fruits of the Spirit , and yet their love , their peace or joy or etc , seems to be in the things that GOD does not approve of . THUS its impossible to be of the SPIRIT . For the Fruit of the Spirit is in all GOODNESS , righteousness , holiness , and what does it prove . Does it prove what is acceptable to a new generation , or does it prove what is acceptable to men or what Is relative to todays generation . NOPE . And here is a DIRECT quoate of what is Proves . PROVING what Is ACCEPTABLE unto GOD . UNTO GOD . UNTO GOD . And of course this is true , FOR THE SPIRIT is TRUTH , the three are ONE , the SPIRIT , FATHER , WORD . I have come to declare war against the false men and women of belial, But my weapons are not carnal , I shall expose them by Christ , HIS sayings and the pure sound doctrine of the Holy Bible . You put those hands up butero , put them up and praise the LORD . FOR THE LORD will be exalted and HE ALONE shall be pointed too and loved above all things . And the lambs at narrow way shall Rejoice IN HIM and HONOR HIM and exhort one another to do so . Its a war and the cost will be our lives . Many of us will even die in the days ahead . Not all , but most will . WELL , I am sure paul went out with ALL HOPE in his heart , as did Stephen , as did peter , as did all men who have LOVED the LORD through all ages . And while we forgive all who do us evil , REST ON THIS TOO , I Wont drink one tiny sip of the WHORES CUP , I had rather suffer all persecution at the hands of men that even SNIFF whats in her cup . WE GOT ALL HOPE , WE DO . Not Rome , nor Mormons , nor any other false religion . WE DO . FOR OUR HOPE is IN CHRIST ALONE .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 13, 2019 15:26:31 GMT -5
I didn’t know I was being asked to revisit this. I just happened to catch up on old threads. We have two separate issues here. First is how to receive truth by faith, and the other is how to abide in that truth so it will stick. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word. In Greek this is rhema, which is not written words in a document, but is a word in conversation. A statement, a message, an utterance. Have you ever been in school where you read a page in a textbook and it seemed like the words were just laying there? You saw them, and you knew what they were as individual words, but together they were meaningless. Same with the Bible. Jesus spoke in parables because the kingdom of God is shut away from this world. When you hear good preaching that adds a spontaneous, conversational depth to the words, this is like a math teacher going over the textbook. Rhema lets you see what’s being said. How can they believe without a preacher, and how can a preacher go lest he be sent? Personally I don’t believe a preacher is “sent” just because he feels an itch to preach and he drummed up some funding to pay for it. I believe good preachers are given an inspired rhema that will truly educate people, and God sends them out to the right audience to hear that message. Many baby Christians waste time listening to one bad preacher after another based on popularity, influence, YouTube suggestions, etc. We need to be in prayer for God to introduce us to the right preaching. When we actually understand God’s promises, we have something to hold on to. That’s when a seed begins to land in our soil. Then we must take heed to the Beatitudes because this shows us how to avoid the wasted seed. If we don’t want thorns and thistles of this world to choke us, we best be clinging to what Jesus said about treasures in heaven. We ignore this at our peril. As soon as we turn our eyes to worldly treasures, those thorns begin to grow. The Beatitudes are there to protect us from avoidable mistakes that kill our seed. They keep us humble, teachable, thoughtful, and sincere, which will go a long way in guarding our souls. Also, personally, I don’t think it’s possible for humans to exude the fruit of the Spirit by choice. We can choose to patient and loving to the best of human capacity, but it won’t be agape love unless the Holy Spirit provides it. The Beatitudes are really not a list of works. It’s more of a lifestyle framework that keeps us out of trouble, which cleans up our vessel over time and allows the Holy Spirit to be more active in us. The beatitudes and all our LORD did say , Are a joy and happy is the one who does them . For that one HAS the SPIRIT and obeys those unctions of Our LORD . I think some folks forget this too my dear sister candance , and that is this , Notice JESUS said this , To the one who had asked how they can work the works of GOD . BELEIVE in the ONE WHO HE DID SEND . THATS RIGHT dear sister . FOR HE shall guide those who are HIS and they will have faith with good works , FOR IT IS HE at work in them . But if that evil sevant says in his heart , THINK I will heed the flesh and follow some sin , BETTER LOOK OUT , FOR the end of sin is death and we are servants to WHOM we OBEY . Let all be faithful unto HE who has saved us and CAN keep us from falling . But if we continue not in him , if we take not heed as even peter warned , THEN PREPARE to be led astray with the error of the wicked . WE got a die daily , DAILY WALK . WHERE WE beter heed the SPIRIT and not the flesh , and we better get well learned IN that bible , which sure does make one wise unto salvation through faith in Christ . You know what is so sad my dear sister . We got many men and women in places THEY OUGHT never be , TEACHING the Flocks and destroying so many . They teach lies . ANd worse many who sit under their ways , who in truth their faith is in self and men , NOT GOD . SO they sit under men who make them wise unto SLAVATION of sin through faith in men . For of whom a man serves , THAT IS the one he is in bondage to. And that WORD cannotbe broken .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 13, 2019 15:30:17 GMT -5
I got a feeling Pope francis and Kenneth copleand and rick warren , WONT be nominating sister Candace for the wonderful Christain award . NOPE in time our reward will be off with our heads . So be it . THE LORD is our hope and HE alone is worthy of all praise . So let all hands fly up and just praise the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 14, 2019 12:21:59 GMT -5
And now let all PUT Those hands up and PRAISE THE LORD . OH let an in house festival of praise be UNTO THE LORD .
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2019 0:40:00 GMT -5
I didn’t know I was being asked to revisit this. I just happened to catch up on old threads. We have two separate issues here. First is how to receive truth by faith, and the other is how to abide in that truth so it will stick. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word. In Greek this is rhema, which is not written words in a document, but is a word in conversation. A statement, a message, an utterance. Have you ever been in school where you read a page in a textbook and it seemed like the words were just laying there? You saw them, and you knew what they were as individual words, but together they were meaningless. Same with the Bible. Jesus spoke in parables because the kingdom of God is shut away from this world. When you hear good preaching that adds a spontaneous, conversational depth to the words, this is like a math teacher going over the textbook. Rhema lets you see what’s being said. How can they believe without a preacher, and how can a preacher go lest he be sent? Personally I don’t believe a preacher is “sent” just because he feels an itch to preach and he drummed up some funding to pay for it. I believe good preachers are given an inspired rhema that will truly educate people, and God sends them out to the right audience to hear that message. Many baby Christians waste time listening to one bad preacher after another based on popularity, influence, YouTube suggestions, etc. We need to be in prayer for God to introduce us to the right preaching. When we actually understand God’s promises, we have something to hold on to. That’s when a seed begins to land in our soil. Then we must take heed to the Beatitudes because this shows us how to avoid the wasted seed. If we don’t want thorns and thistles of this world to choke us, we best be clinging to what Jesus said about treasures in heaven. We ignore this at our peril. As soon as we turn our eyes to worldly treasures, those thorns begin to grow. The Beatitudes are there to protect us from avoidable mistakes that kill our seed. They keep us humble, teachable, thoughtful, and sincere, which will go a long way in guarding our souls. Also, personally, I don’t think it’s possible for humans to exude the fruit of the Spirit by choice. We can choose to patient and loving to the best of human capacity, but it won’t be agape love unless the Holy Spirit provides it. The Beatitudes are really not a list of works. It’s more of a lifestyle framework that keeps us out of trouble, which cleans up our vessel over time and allows the Holy Spirit to be more active in us. Some people have charismatic personalities and are naturally good speakers. They draw people to themselves, and they have the capacity to have a huge following, but they are not called of God. There was an old movie from the 60s called "Elmer Gantry." I don't know if you ever saw it, but it was about just such a man who could preach against sin and put the fear of God in his audience, but he wasn't a true believer himself. There are many real people like that. Then, there are people that are called of God, but they are not that talented, and do not draw a crowd, but they still have a genuine calling.
Even if you have a true calling, you have to do something with it. You can bury your talents and never use them. You can fail to learn what is in the Bible, and not develop sound doctrine. There are many ministers out there that most likely haven't ever read the Bible straight through, but were taught what to believe in Seminary. But when it comes to the subject of how to get God's Word to stick, I think the best way is to stay in the Bible. It is the book you never finish. You read it, and you start over again. That is how you get it to stick.
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Post by PG4Him on Apr 16, 2019 9:18:22 GMT -5
But when it comes to the subject of how to get God's Word to stick, I think the best way is to stay in the Bible. It is the book you never finish. You read it, and you start over again. That is how you get it to stick. This is something I want to return to for a moment. Personally I reject the notion that reading the Bible over and over with the same biases and defective thinking will improve our understanding of it. Practice doesn’t always make perfect. Jesus told the Pharisees they searched Scriptures in vain. A great many traditions have become so deeply entrenched that people can’t imagine them not being true, even when they’re nowhere in the Bible.
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2019 9:33:46 GMT -5
But when it comes to the subject of how to get God's Word to stick, I think the best way is to stay in the Bible. It is the book you never finish. You read it, and you start over again. That is how you get it to stick. This is something I want to return to for a moment. Personally I reject the notion that reading the Bible over and over with the same biases and defective thinking will improve our understanding of it. Practice doesn’t always make perfect. Jesus told the Pharisees they searched Scriptures in vain. A great many traditions have become so deeply entrenched that people can’t imagine them not being true, even when they’re nowhere in the Bible. I agree with that. You have to read the Bible from the perspective that it means what it says, even if that goes against everything you have believed all your life. I have had to separate what is written in scripture from things I have heard preached and biases I have developed living in this American culture. I am trying to look at it from the perspective of imagining how life would be if we knew nothing about church doctrines or our culture and just read what the Bible says about how God intended things to be. If you do that, it changes your entire belief system.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 16, 2019 12:19:20 GMT -5
But when it comes to the subject of how to get God's Word to stick, I think the best way is to stay in the Bible. It is the book you never finish. You read it, and you start over again. That is how you get it to stick. This is something I want to return to for a moment. Personally I reject the notion that reading the Bible over and over with the same biases and defective thinking will improve our understanding of it. Practice doesn’t always make perfect. Jesus told the Pharisees they searched Scriptures in vain. A great many traditions have become so deeply entrenched that people can’t imagine them not being true, even when they’re nowhere in the Bible. That cause many who read it , do so In vain . They read it for money and ways to get rich , or for self exaltation , or to try and prove themselves RIGHT . If we read the bible for our own self glory , Its all in vain . IF we read because GOD has simply poured the love of truth in our heart , THEN unto maturity we grow . Their was one thing paul was ever adamant about , as was peter and the others . SOUND BIBLE DOCTRINE , and it was not an election , IT was a MUST . We got gorilla like warfare evil all about and they doing all and have been doing all to rid the churches of THAT BIBLE . And by grace , I know what ADVERSARY is behind that move . NOT GOD , but the one who said I SHALL be AS God , I I IIII lots of I is lots of PRIDE . The dire necessity of reading that bible cannot even be stressed enough . What folks do with it , THAT I cannot control , But I can rebuke , warn , remind , stir up and PRAY GOD giveth the increase . Here is something else you already know . The why behind the DO , is what we will be judged most severe . IF it were from hearts that desired ONLY the exlating of GOD and to learn of HIM , then it was GRACE at work , But if its to prove and justify evil and self , The author of those very words , HIS WORD Will be our judge ON the last day . And aint a soul wanna be in those shoes ON HIS DAY . JESUS IS THE GLORY OF GOD . IN fact we know WHO HE IS . And GOD has said I will share my glory with NO other gods . The sooner man realizes all things were created BY and FOR GOD , HIS GOOD PLEASURE , the sooner they will learn and grow . We were not placed on earth for GOD TO SERVE US . We were not placed on earth to LORD over others and build our own empires and have great followers . We were not placed on earth to dishonor , not obey GOD . We were placed on earth and Given new life IN CHRIST , SO WE CAN WORSHIP GOD IN SPIRIT and TRUTH , IN OBEIDANCE as HE DESIRES the OBEDIANCE . But my dear sister , YOU already KNOW THIS . Others who may come and visit might not , and its always GOOD to be reminded in a good thing , even if we DO know it . SO , hands up sister , Hands up and praise the LORD
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Post by frienduff on Apr 16, 2019 12:34:35 GMT -5
This is something I want to return to for a moment. Personally I reject the notion that reading the Bible over and over with the same biases and defective thinking will improve our understanding of it. Practice doesn’t always make perfect. Jesus told the Pharisees they searched Scriptures in vain. A great many traditions have become so deeply entrenched that people can’t imagine them not being true, even when they’re nowhere in the Bible. I agree with that. You have to read the Bible from the perspective that it means what it says, even if that goes against everything you have believed all your life. I have had to separate what is written in scripture from things I have heard preached and biases I have developed living in this American culture. I am trying to look at it from the perspective of imagining how life would be if we knew nothing about church doctrines or our culture and just read what the Bible says about how God intended things to be. If you do that, it changes your entire belief system.
Well glory to the LORD and Hallelujah . For this is why I seem so odd to so many . Anyone wanna ask me WHAT church I was raised in NONE . By grace I learned bias free . I JUST learned by HIS grace and it just came together and keeps building . Many doctrines and biases of men , must be burned out . AND WE ALL had ideas that had to be changed .and more shall be given as we simply seek HIM . ON this note , I wanna remind us of something . The beauty also of not having learned pre, mid , or post trib, BUT BEING FREE to just learn and grow without the bias of men , but just the SPIRIT , anyone wonder why I keep hollering , BE ON guard , many of us will be betrayed and the great tribulation hour which the beast shall rage against the lambs , THAT MANY OF US WILL DIE in that hour . I read without the bias of men , only by the SPIRIT and a strong , oh ever strong unction and learning came . The apostels all BELEIVED the end was nigh , And all I ever heard them warn about was be prepared to endure TRIBULATION . JESUS own words which ring true forever , said to HIS OWN and hey beleivers , MANY of you will be killed IN that great tribulation . HE never once implied that we would escape the wrath of man , ONLY that we would escape the wrath , tribulation OF GOD . ARMOUR Up my friends and armour up fast , FOR FIRST cometh the Delusion called great the lie that leadeth all to damnation and perdition of these ungodly men . IT will mushroom like a five thousand ton mega nuclear bomb . And many will go under it . Deceptoins abound and SHALL MASSIVELY ABOUND to such heights that if it were possible even the VERY elect would be deceived . And it has began and will increase . FLEE the hugs , lovers of sin talkers and unity and world peace movment of any one who does so encourage it . GET OUT , the call is made , COME OUT and BE YE SEPERATE , touch not the unclean thing and drink not of its all inclusive sin loving cup . FOR all who do so will be led unto the beast , will take its mark , will end in perdtion and destruction BY GOD . WE must dig ever deep . WE must unlearn what many of us have learned in churches . ITS as YOU SAID BUTERO . most the pastors sat under seminairies and had what little of the bible they read , TWISTED unto their own destruction and unto the destruction of all who do sit under them . They have sent out missionairs across , air , land , and sea , only to make children TWO Fold the children of satan as even they were . ITS UGLY and its getting worse . LET the lambs at narrow way , Encourage , exhort daily and point ONLY to CHRIST . For the king and kings this mystery of inquity , the spirit of anti Christ , which has been in all ages , HAS MADE READY a WORLD for the final hour and its KING and kings shall arise and the world will do their bidding . THEN shall many lambs be betrayed , called haters of humanity , AS all the world religions and mindsets has MERGED as one and all for a world peace and unity , THEY WILL NEVER HAVE , FOR OUR LORD will end their work ON HIS day . Buckle up and be fully strapped and cinched up with the Armour of GOD and the constant reading of that bible .
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