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Post by justinadams on Jan 18, 2019 6:11:19 GMT -5
Faith cannot be earned, stored, bought or sold. Ya cannot drive it, or fly it or eat it.
Faith is God's currency and Belief in Him is our currency.
I am counted righteous and of the seed of Abraham thru my faith in the Lord High God and through His Yeshua Messiah.
My righteousness comes from the Lord and nobody else. Therefore I find myself wanting to keep His Sabbaths and generally aiming at the BIG TEN. Why? Because of my Respect and Love of who HE is. No more, no less.
I want to please my Perfect Papa.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 8:19:53 GMT -5
Jews are morally superior to Gentiles, and you’re citing Mark Zuckerberg as evidence? I can’t. . I did not say Jews are morally superior to Gentiles. I said Jews are morally better than Gentiles, ie wrt keeping God's Law. In fact, it is lawlessness that will cause some misled "Christians" to not inherit the kingdom of God/heaven. ....... . MATTHEW.7:21-23 (NKJV) = I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ . P S - Many Law-abiding Jews live well to a ripe old age, even though they will not be saved from hell. . Peace.The bible indicates that when God's people fall away they become worse than the heathen.......and that goes for both His Hebrew and Gentile people, so we better be wise to His word. I don't want to malign or condemn Jewish people, not at all, they are human like anyone and prone to the weaknesses of the flesh like anyone, and likewise are also capable of goodness and kindness like anybody.......but we do need to stop seeing with rose coloured glasses and judge righteous judgment, and soberly. Without Jesus they are lost as lost can be and enemies for the gospel's sake. Remember it was the Pharisees who sent Jesus to be crucified. Don't be lulled to sleep thinking for a minute that that same spirit isn't still around.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 18, 2019 18:11:09 GMT -5
You are loved sister watchful . So are all others .
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Post by discipler777 on Jan 18, 2019 23:24:53 GMT -5
. I did not say Jews are morally superior to Gentiles. I said Jews are morally better than Gentiles, ie wrt keeping God's Law. In fact, it is lawlessness that will cause some misled "Christians" to not inherit the kingdom of God/heaven. ....... . MATTHEW.7:21-23 (NKJV) = I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ . P S - Many Law-abiding Jews live well to a ripe old age, even though they will not be saved from hell. . Peace.The bible indicates that when God's people fall away they become worse than the heathen.......and that goes for both His Hebrew and Gentile people, so we better be wise to His word. I don't want to malign or condemn Jewish people, not at all, they are human like anyone and prone to the weaknesses of the flesh like anyone, and likewise are also capable of goodness and kindness like anybody.......but we do need to stop seeing with rose coloured glasses and judge righteous judgment, and soberly. Without Jesus they are lost as lost can be and enemies for the gospel's sake. Remember it was the Pharisees who sent Jesus to be crucified. Don't be lulled to sleep thinking for a minute that that same spirit isn't still around. . Remember also that the Lord/God Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles were Jews and salvation is of the Jews (not of the Gentiles) - JOHN.4:22.
Why did the Pharisees and most of the Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah/Christ.? JOHN.6:15 said they wanted a Messiah/Christ who would gift them back their kingdom of earth(= Israel/Judah) by militarily defeating the foreign Roman rulers, like Commander/Judge Joshua of Nun or King David. But Jesus Christ only wanted to gift them a kingdom of heaven(MATTHEW.4:17), a kingdom not of this world. The Pharisees and Jews were more political/worldly than spiritual. Morally, the Jews were still better than the Gentiles, ie wrt the keeping of God's Law. Jesus Christ considered Gentiles as unclean dogs.
Similarly some conservative US Christians are more political/worldly than spiritual by wanting USA to return to the more Christian-based America of 1776 or pre-1960. Today, US Federal politics is dominated by the liberals of the Blue States, ie they control the US House of Rep and Presidency which are elected based mostly on popular votes. The liberals achieved this post-1960 by pandering for the minority votes(= Blacks, Hispanics, etc) and dividing the White-majority vote(= about 70% of the population). Remember, sometimes when the liberals got disappointed with their liberal Democrats, they will elect moderate Republicans or Rinos as temporary replacements, eg Ronald Reagan after the bumbling Jimmy Carter, Trump after Obummer, etc.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 19, 2019 9:08:44 GMT -5
Why did the Pharisees and most of the Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah/Christ.? JOHN.6:15 said they wanted a Messiah/Christ who would gift them back their kingdom of earth(= Israel/Judah) by militarily defeating the foreign Roman rulers, like Commander/Judge Joshua of Nun or King David. But Jesus Christ only wanted to gift them a kingdom of heaven(MATTHEW.4:17), a kingdom not of this world. The Pharisees and Jews were more political/worldly than spiritual. Morally, the Jews were still better than the Gentiles, ie wrt the keeping of God's Law. Jesus Christ considered Gentiles as unclean dogs. So much error. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. — John 8:43-45
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. — Matthew 23:37-38
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. — Matthew 11:21-22
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance — Matthew 3:7-8
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. — Matthew 21:43To say the Jews lost the kingdom simply because they misunderstood its form is an absolute white-wash revision of history. It isn’t even close to what Scripture tells us. It’s amazing how the “dogs” will be judged more favorably than the “clean sheep.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 9:29:13 GMT -5
The bible indicates that when God's people fall away they become worse than the heathen.......and that goes for both His Hebrew and Gentile people, so we better be wise to His word. I don't want to malign or condemn Jewish people, not at all, they are human like anyone and prone to the weaknesses of the flesh like anyone, and likewise are also capable of goodness and kindness like anybody.......but we do need to stop seeing with rose coloured glasses and judge righteous judgment, and soberly. Without Jesus they are lost as lost can be and enemies for the gospel's sake. Remember it was the Pharisees who sent Jesus to be crucified. Don't be lulled to sleep thinking for a minute that that same spirit isn't still around. . Remember also that the Lord/God Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles were Jews and salvation is of the Jews (not of the Gentiles) - JOHN.4:22.
Why did the Pharisees and most of the Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah/Christ.? JOHN.6:15 said they wanted a Messiah/Christ who would gift them back their kingdom of earth(= Israel/Judah) by militarily defeating the foreign Roman rulers, like Commander/Judge Joshua of Nun or King David. But Jesus Christ only wanted to gift them a kingdom of heaven(MATTHEW.4:17), a kingdom not of this world. The Pharisees and Jews were more political/worldly than spiritual. Morally, the Jews were still better than the Gentiles, ie wrt the keeping of God's Law. Jesus Christ considered Gentiles as unclean dogs.
Similarly some conservative US Christians are more political/worldly than spiritual by wanting USA to return to the more Christian-based America of 1776 or pre-1960. Today, US Federal politics is dominated by the liberals of the Blue States, ie they control the US House of Rep and Presidency which are elected based mostly on popular votes. The liberals achieved this post-1960 by pandering for the minority votes(= Blacks, Hispanics, etc) and dividing the White-majority vote(= about 70% of the population). Remember, sometimes when the liberals got disappointed with their liberal Democrats, they will elect moderate Republicans or Rinos as temporary replacements, eg Ronald Reagan after the bumbling Jimmy Carter, Trump after Obummer, etc.The fact is that God has always only ever had a remnant of those whose hearts were true to Him. Even in Israel and even in the mostly Gentile Christendom. Jesus was using a common belief and idiom that Gentiles were inferior and not able to partake with Israel, in order to test that woman's faith, whether she would push through that LIE or not. And she did, praise God...proving that it was lie!
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Post by frienduff on Jan 19, 2019 23:04:55 GMT -5
Oh and let all that Love the LORD , PRAISE THE LORD . That's right sister watchful . You are loved dear sister .
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Post by Abby-Joy on Jan 20, 2019 3:34:04 GMT -5
Jesus came through the lineage of David because God keeps His promises, not because they were morally better. God sent His Son because He "so loved the world." (John 3:16) That includes every race of people. Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel. (Note: They were lost.) He came to His own and His own received Him not. (John 1:11) If their morality or the works of the Law could've saved them He wouldn't have needed to come. Beware, lest you be one of those who trust in your own "goodness" to merit entry into the kingdom of Heaven.
Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The fact is, the entire world is fallen and in need of a Savior. He had to come, or none of us could be saved. He came through the line of David because He made a promise to Abraham.
No one can glory in their own self as if they are something. We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) But through faith in Christ, we become the seed of Abraham and are blessed - whether we be Jew or Gentile, no matter the color of our skin. The reason Abraham was the father of "many nations" is because believers in Christ are from "every tongue, and people, and nation" ... just like the Bible says. (Rev. 5:7-10)
Romans 4 (KJV) 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb: 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
The Bible says that there is none righteous... all are under SIN - both Jews and Gentiles. Read it!
Romans 3:9-31 9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips: 14 Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet [are] swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery [are] in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, , at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Go ahead and glory in your flesh.... but those who enter the kingdom of God know that they have nothing in themselves that is worthy of the price He paid. It is God who justifies us through faith in Christ. It was His love that took Him to the cross.
27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 [Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
He alone is worthy!
Revelation Chapter 5 1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
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Post by discipler777 on Jan 20, 2019 4:10:34 GMT -5
Why did the Pharisees and most of the Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah/Christ.? JOHN.6:15 said they wanted a Messiah/Christ who would gift them back their kingdom of earth(= Israel/Judah) by militarily defeating the foreign Roman rulers, like Commander/Judge Joshua of Nun or King David. But Jesus Christ only wanted to gift them a kingdom of heaven(MATTHEW.4:17), a kingdom not of this world. The Pharisees and Jews were more political/worldly than spiritual. Morally, the Jews were still better than the Gentiles, ie wrt the keeping of God's Law. Jesus Christ considered Gentiles as unclean dogs. So much error. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. — John 8:43-45
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. — Matthew 23:37-38
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. — Matthew 11:21-22
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance — Matthew 3:7-8
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. — Matthew 21:43To say the Jews lost the kingdom simply because they misunderstood its form is an absolute white-wash revision of history. It isn’t even close to what Scripture tells us. It’s amazing how the “dogs” will be judged more favorably than the “clean sheep.” . If not so, then why did the Jews went to war against their Roman rulers after rejecting and disposing off Jesus the Christ/Messiah in 33AD.? They wanted to regain their kingdom of earth, ie Israel/Judah. Unfortunately, their fleshly efforts culminated in their total destruction(= of Jerusalem and the Holy Temple) in 70AD, as had been prophesied by the Lord Jesus Christ. .......
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_War . . LUKE.21:20-24 (NKJV) = The Destruction of Jerusalem
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
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Post by discipler777 on Jan 20, 2019 4:31:51 GMT -5
. Remember also that the Lord/God Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles were Jews and salvation is of the Jews (not of the Gentiles) - JOHN.4:22.
Why did the Pharisees and most of the Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah/Christ.? JOHN.6:15 said they wanted a Messiah/Christ who would gift them back their kingdom of earth(= Israel/Judah) by militarily defeating the foreign Roman rulers, like Commander/Judge Joshua of Nun or King David. But Jesus Christ only wanted to gift them a kingdom of heaven(MATTHEW.4:17), a kingdom not of this world. The Pharisees and Jews were more political/worldly than spiritual. Morally, the Jews were still better than the Gentiles, ie wrt the keeping of God's Law. Jesus Christ considered Gentiles as unclean dogs.
Similarly some conservative US Christians are more political/worldly than spiritual by wanting USA to return to the more Christian-based America of 1776 or pre-1960. Today, US Federal politics is dominated by the liberals of the Blue States, ie they control the US House of Rep and Presidency which are elected based mostly on popular votes. The liberals achieved this post-1960 by pandering for the minority votes(= Blacks, Hispanics, etc) and dividing the White-majority vote(= about 70% of the population). Remember, sometimes when the liberals got disappointed with their liberal Democrats, they will elect moderate Republicans or Rinos as temporary replacements, eg Ronald Reagan after the bumbling Jimmy Carter, Trump after Obummer, etc.The fact is that God has always only ever had a remnant of those whose hearts were true to Him. Even in Israel and even in the mostly Gentile Christendom. Jesus was using a common belief and idiom that Gentiles were inferior and not able to partake with Israel, in order to test that woman's faith, whether she would push through that LIE or not. And she did, praise God...proving that it was lie! . MATTHEW.10:5-10 (NKJV) = 5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, 10 nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food. . . ROMANS.11:11-15 = Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? . . I think that's a misinterpretation of Scripture.
Only after most of the Jews had rejected Jesus as the Messiah/Christ, was salvation opened to the Gentiles. If the Jews had not rejected Jesus Christ, salvation would not have come to the Gentiles, except maybe for a very few. . Even for Christians, God has commanded them to separate themselves from non-Christians or unbelievers. ....... . 2COR.6:14-18 = 14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what [d]fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”
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“Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.” 18 “I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.” . . Peace.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 8:06:15 GMT -5
The fact is that God has always only ever had a remnant of those whose hearts were true to Him. Even in Israel and even in the mostly Gentile Christendom. Jesus was using a common belief and idiom that Gentiles were inferior and not able to partake with Israel, in order to test that woman's faith, whether she would push through that LIE or not. And she did, praise God...proving that it was lie! . MATTHEW.10:5-10 (NKJV) = 5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, 10 nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food. . . ROMANS.11:11-15 = Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? . . I think that's a misinterpretation of Scripture.
Only after most of the Jews had rejected Jesus as the Messiah/Christ, was salvation opened to the Gentiles. If the Jews had not rejected Jesus Christ, salvation would not have come to the Gentiles, except maybe for a very few. . Even for Christians, God has commanded them to separate themselves from non-Christians or unbelievers. ....... . 2COR.6:14-18 = 14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what [d]fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”
17 Therefore
“Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.” 18 “I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.” . . Peace.Jesus was not calling that woman who CAME TO HIM a dog....He was just testing her faith, the mettle of her faith, since dogs is how the ERRING religious Jews and Pharisees looked upon the Gentiles. He is the one who said He would take the kingdom away from Israel and give it to a nation bearing the fruits of it. The church is that nation, and is nothing less than the very mystery of God from the foundation of the world....what matters is a new creature, one new man made up of believing Jews and Gentiles. The role of the Gentiles in this mystery is seen all through OT scriptures.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 20, 2019 8:18:11 GMT -5
I’ve made my case to oppose this teaching. I don’t have the bandwidth to keep going in circles. People who want to believe it will believe it. If other members here feel led to keep going, more power to you.
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Post by John on Jan 20, 2019 10:00:27 GMT -5
@discipler777, there are elements of truth in what you are saying, but they are mixed with a lot of error. Many of the Jews were looking for their Messiah to overthrow the Roman government. Still, there was a lot more going on than that. Some knew Jesus was the Son of God, but rejected Him because their positions were threatened. Some were envious. Some were spiritually blind. Without trusting in Jesus, none were clean. The only reason animal sacrifices were of any value, was it was a bridge to the cross. To reject Jesus was a sin, and also meant all previous sins remained.
Let's suppose I am sharing the gospel with 4 sinners. Two are gentiles and two are Jewish. They all have sin stains. On God's books, it looks like this:
1. PERSON A: 104,235 sins 2. PERSON B: 259,475 sins 3. PERSON C: 117,988 sins 4. PERSON D: 57,511 sins
The first two are Jews, the last two are gentiles. A single sin will keep you out of heaven, so all are going to hell. Of those 4, Person C accepts Jesus, the others do not. What happens to their sin count? A, B and D added to theirs by rejecting Jesus, and the numbers keep rising. What about C? His sin debt was paid for, so he has no sin debt, and it remains at zero unless He returns to commit willful sins. Among the sinners, it matters not who has the most sins. They are all hell bound. Being Abraham's seed doesn't mean anything. Something else happens. The two Jews have been cut off from Israel, and they are in the same position as the unbelieving gentile, but the saved gentile is now part of spiritual Israel through adoption. Sinners are sinners and are all unclean and are all going to hell. God is not a respecter of persons.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Jan 20, 2019 11:02:38 GMT -5
@discipler777, there are elements of truth in what you are saying, but they are mixed with a lot of error. Many of the Jews were looking for their Messiah to overthrow the Roman government. Still, there was a lot more going on than that. Some knew Jesus was the Son of God, but rejected Him because their positions were threatened. Some were envious. Some were spiritually blind. Without trusting in Jesus, none were clean. The only reason animal sacrifices were of any value, was it was a bridge to the cross. To reject Jesus was a sin, and also meant all previous sins remained.
Let's suppose I am sharing the gospel with 4 sinners. Two are gentiles and two are Jewish. They all have sin stains. On God's books, it looks like this:
1. PERSON A: 104,235 sins 2. PERSON B: 259,475 sins 3. PERSON C: 117,988 sins 4. PERSON D: 57,511 sins
The first two are Jews, the last two are gentiles. A single sin will keep you out of heaven, so all are going to hell. Of those 4, Person C accepts Jesus, the others do not. What happens to their sin count? A, B and D added to theirs by rejecting Jesus, and the numbers keep rising. What about C? His sin debt was paid for, so he has no sin debt, and it remains at zero unless He returns to commit willful sins. Among the sinners, it matters not who has the most sins. They are all hell bound. Being Abraham's seed doesn't mean anything. Something else happens. The two Jews have been cut off from Israel, and they are in the same position as the unbelieving gentile, but the saved gentile is now part of spiritual Israel through adoption. Sinners are sinners and are all unclean and are all going to hell. God is not a respecter of persons.
I love what you've said here. And there is also this verse that came to mind while reading your post, above....
Luke 7:40-50 40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that [he], to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped [them] with the hairs of her head.
45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, [the same] loveth little.
48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
So it really doesn't matter if someone has sinned more than someone else. When they've experienced the mercy, love, and forgiveness of Jesus Christ, oh my goodness.... they know beyond a shadow of a doubt who Jesus is, and their heart is filled with gratitude that He would love such a one and save them out of the filth they were in!!! .... it doesn't matter what our sins were, His blood is enough to cleanse us from it all! Praise God!!! \o/
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Post by discipler777 on Jan 21, 2019 1:56:17 GMT -5
. MATTHEW.10:5-10 (NKJV) = 5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, 10 nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food. . . ROMANS.11:11-15 = Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? . . I think that's a misinterpretation of Scripture.
Only after most of the Jews had rejected Jesus as the Messiah/Christ, was salvation opened to the Gentiles. If the Jews had not rejected Jesus Christ, salvation would not have come to the Gentiles, except maybe for a very few. . Even for Christians, God has commanded them to separate themselves from non-Christians or unbelievers. ....... . 2COR.6:14-18 = 14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what [d]fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”
17 Therefore
“Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.” 18 “I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.” . . Peace.Jesus was not calling that woman who CAME TO HIM a dog....He was just testing her faith, the mettle of her faith, since dogs is how the ERRING religious Jews and Pharisees looked upon the Gentiles. He is the one who said He would take the kingdom away from Israel and give it to a nation bearing the fruits of it. The church is that nation, and is nothing less than the very mystery of God from the foundation of the world....what matters is a new creature, one new man made up of believing Jews and Gentiles. The role of the Gentiles in this mystery is seen all through OT scriptures. . MATTHEW.7:6 (NKJV) = 6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. . Who do you think Jesus Christ was referring to as dogs and swine.? . In the Old Testament Law, dogs and swine/pigs were considered as unclean animals because dogs or wolves are vicious murderers/predators and blindly loyal while pigs are greedy and ungrateful by nature. These were sometimes common traits among the mostly lawless Gentiles(wrt God's Law), but not among the (OT) Law-abiding Jews.
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