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Post by PG4Him on Jan 27, 2019 13:30:15 GMT -5
I’m seeing this more and more from women all over the place. It isn’t about any particular woman; it’s an epidemic.
She starts as a single young woman. Living on her own, sharply independent, no one can control her, she’s always the smartest woman in the room.
As she grows in her career (and perhaps in the church) she thinks she’d like to have a husband. He can give her a few kids, help pay the bills, and, you know, do “ministry” or whatever with her. She has no intention of submitting to him or relying on his income. She wants a man who will give her what she wants while staying at a distance. So of course, she chooses a man who is intellectuially/emotionally beneath her. Her plan is to keep working for “her” money while he keeps up the house. When the kids come along, she plans to be a single mother with a live-in breadwinner. He will have very little say on how the kids are raised. She plans to undermine all of his disciplinary instincts and make sure the kids are happily enrolled in soccer/ballet/football whether they deserve it or not (and whether the family can afford it or not).
Shockingly, a man who is her intellectual inferior turns out to be a disppointment. She never saw that coming! The man she chose because he’s a doormat will act like a doormat to his friends and supervisors. She never saw that coming! His career isn’t growing as fast as she’d like, his friends are not the gentlemen she’d like them to be, and his perfomance in the bedroom is hardly the romance novel she thought it would be. The loser she married because he’s a loser continues to be a loser. Who saw that coming??
The Bible says she’s made a permanent, irreversible life choice? Heck no. She can’t believe she messed up her whole future with one mistake. She’s got to find a socially acceptable way to get rid of him.
Her rhetoric changes into negative predicates of her husband. Where he was once “supportive of her career” he is now “demanding her to work full time.” Where he once “let her have her own friends” he is now “socially unavailable to her.” He is lazy, promiscuous, controlled by his toxic mother, emotionally withdrawn, and — that precious golden goose — abusive. “My husband” soon becomes “my abusive husband.” “My marriage” soon becomes “my abusive marriage.” She keeps this up until she convinces a friend (usually a social-justice feminist) to help her move out. By now she’s so invested in the charade that she really believes he’s worse than Hitler.
She might even go so far as to claim she has PTSD (I’ve seriously seen this). When you ask her what abuse she endured, you get lots of vague mumbling about him hiding at a friend’s house and snapping when she texts him. Oh, and there’s also a scene where she walked in to catch him yelling at “her” child. The husband should have known there were extenuating circumstances for the child to go through his wallet, and he should have conferred with his wife for “all the information” before he jumped right to discipline. I mean, seeing someone go through your wallet is no excuse to yank it out of their hand, especially when the mother had (privately) told the child to do it. She was perfectly justified to correct him in front of the child. Then when he stormed out because he “obviously isn’t needed around here” this was proof of how he shirked on his fatherly duties.
Don’t you see how it all comes together? He “expected” her to work full time, he “expected” her to have her own friends and amuse herself, he “expected” her to do all the parenting and drive the kids to the dance class he didn’t want them in, and she simply can’t do it all alone, and now he’s listening to his mother telling him to hide his income. And he won’t let his wife inspect his phone! Can’t you see how much of a victim she is??
Any Christian who judges her is clearly an anti-feminist who defends abuse. She keeps up her campaign until the majority of her friends feel sorry for her. Then she cobbles together a biblical justification for divorce.
With that neatly taken care of, she cries herself to sleep every night because she’s “alone” and “financially struggling” and “in need of someone to hold her.” Voila, God doesn’t want her to suffer, so He promises to send her a second husband who will make everything right.
Yes there are valid cases of abuse, but I wasn’t born yesterday. From this point forward, I’m not discussing biblical grounds for divorce (or separation) with a woman until I’m convinced she’s not looking for excuses to dump him. Again, I’m not basing this on any one person. It’s a trend I’ve started seeing in multiple places. This forum will not become a feminist excuse-factory for second marriages.
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Post by John on Jan 27, 2019 14:59:46 GMT -5
When it comes to relationship issues, you are the most insightful person I have come across.
There was a woman I was friends with at WCF who had marriage problems. Her and her husband had grown apart in the bedroom and romantically in general, which led to her leaving for a time to get her head together. This led to her husband presumably finding out he preferred the single life and not wanting her back, so she started divorce proceedings. I could see through this from the start. She never planned to return. She always intended to seek for a new husband.
As her friend, I told her what the Bible said about re-marriage, and she said she knew she needed to work on herself first before dating. I explained that Biblically, she couldn't re-marry. I told her as a friend, I felt I had to be honest. I told her that I wasn't going to stop being her friend if she ignored my counsel, but this is what God says. That was the last time we spoke. I feel 99 percent certain she was probably dating and re-married within a year or two. It was predictable.
There are numerous situations where I have my own personal opinions on this subject, but a good ambassador for Christ isn't free to take any position but the one laid out in the Bible. What if I am wrong? I don't want someone to wind up in hell because of my feelings. What did Jesus say? Follow him or don't at your own risk.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 27, 2019 15:39:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately John this is the new standard we have to consider. We no longer have the luxury of letting misguided compassion manipulate us. .
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jan 27, 2019 16:32:43 GMT -5
These people need to know God.
It is so sad to see people treating marriage as if it was something disposable.
"He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." - 1 John 4:8
I have seen sad things as well:
People who divorce, find a new one and say:
This one is so much better in all aspects, especially in this and that.
Then all that 'love' suddenly goes away and find a new one and say the same as above.
It is a never ending loop.
It is so evil. Where is love?!
"...bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails..." - 1 Corinthians 13:7-8
One thing I know, it is not being honored.
"...I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me." - John 8:49
"These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me." - Matthew 15:8
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Post by Cletus on Jan 27, 2019 16:58:41 GMT -5
women these days are crazy. not all of them. but the ones that are are pure poison. not even worth talking to them. manipulative lying soul destroying gold digging Judas Iscariots... deceitful with kisses. betrayers.
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Post by John on Jan 27, 2019 17:07:33 GMT -5
women these days are crazy. not all of them. but the ones that are are pure poison. not even worth talking to them. manipulative lying soul destroying gold digging Judas Iscariots... deceitful with kisses. betrayers. It is the poisonous fruit of feminism at work.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 27, 2019 21:39:51 GMT -5
women these days are crazy. not all of them. but the ones that are are pure poison. not even worth talking to them. manipulative lying soul destroying gold digging Judas Iscariots... deceitful with kisses. betrayers. It is the poisonous fruit of feminism at work.
And whose fault is this , INSIDE THE CHURCH . THE MEN . they should have been the true men who led the church by the SPIRIT into truth , not lies . The world is the world , BUT is the church supposed to be AS the world , or as HER LORD . EXACTLY . Who are supposed to lead and usurp authority over the church . the men . SO whose fault is it this whole thing came into the church . FALSE MEN . and false women who they pandered too . Ever heard the phrase the devil MADE me do it . NOPE . well my wife made me do it , NOPE well the people In the church made me do it , NOPE . THE MEN FAILED THE CHURCHES . WHO did the serpent tempt , the women , BUT WHO ate from the womans hand , THE MAN . MEN SHOULD NEVER have left off the first pure and true HOLY PATTERN OF JESUS WORDS . PAUL did not , he corrected , James and others corrected too . BUT THE TIME came when no one wants toendure sound doctrine . WHEN every man and woman ever created stands before GOD , he or she wont be able to point to anyone else for their failure . BECAUSE had they known CHRIST , they would have prevailed not failed and remained in sin .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 27, 2019 21:47:06 GMT -5
But, but my leaders taught me wrong , they instructed me wrong many might think to say on that day . ONLY TO HEAR , HAD they known the LORD they would have come to the knowledge of the truth , for they would have had THE SPIRIT which guides them into all truth. I wasn't raised in no church , SO how come by grace I KNOW as I need to know . THIER will be no fingers to point at anyone but ones own self on the day of the LORD . I say again their will be no blame games on the day of the LORD . FOR had a man truly come to CHRIST , and continued IN HIM , HE WOULD have been set free Same with any woman . Here the parable of excuses . To the goats He will say , depart from me ye cursed into ever lasting fire , for when I called you did not answer , when I corrected you took no heed . And then many will say , but LORD , LORD when did we hear you call , when did you correct us and we took no heed . AND HE shall say , when I sent the least of these unto you , you denied their counsel and rejected me , when these were sent to correct you , you called them haters . FOR IF a man speaking truth by the SPIRIT comes and one receives him not , THEY RECIEVE NEITHER HIM WHO SENT HIM EITHER . IF they receive not you , they receive not me , and if they reicieve not me , they receive not my Father . WHOSE SPIRIT is at work amongst the true lambs , for they do not speak of themselves . WHO gives them this wisdom , who gives them this mouth , surely its not the flesh , for if it had been carnal wisdom THEY WOULD HAVE HEARD AND RECIEVED IT . But if a man speaks truth by the SPIRIT unto the carnal how can they hear .
Saul , saul , why persecutes thou ME . ONLY WHO was saul casting into prison and persecuting , THE CHURCH . Yeah , what I say to one I say to all, if a man receives not a true lamb then he does not receive Christ , for they would not reject us , if we spoke as did they . THEY REJECT us because by grace we speak HIS TRUTH . SO WHO do they deny . THE ONE WHO SENT US . And this is in no way to make any seem as some big thing , cause we AINT . BUT it is truth .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 27, 2019 22:08:46 GMT -5
These people need to know God.
It is so sad to see people treating marriage as if it was something disposable.
"He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." - 1 John 4:8
I have seen sad things as well:
People who divorce, find a new one and say:
This one is so much better in all aspects, especially in this and that.
Then all that 'love' suddenly goes away and find a new one and say the same as above.
It is a never ending loop.
It is so evil. Where is love?!
"...bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails..." - 1 Corinthians 13:7-8
One thing I know, it is not being honored.
"...I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me." - John 8:49
"These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me." - Matthew 15:8 LETTERS YOU LOVED BROTHER . YOU RIGHT ON . And now what I say , I say to all. How can one know GOD if they reject CHRIST , WHEN IT IS ONLY CHRIST who can reveal the FATHER UNTO US . This ecumenical unity is a lie from hell itself . aint no jew or gentile PEROID gonna have eternal life if they reject GOD . And if one rejects CHRIST , BELEIVE ME THEY JUST REJECTED GOD .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 27, 2019 22:32:43 GMT -5
Oh what a wonderful thought just popped in my head . What a day of beauty it would be if some of us just showed up to this big rome led ecumenical lie . And as one we all got up on stage and said for the pope , the world , athiests , buddists , muslims and all holding hands at its meeting . HEY , IF you all reject GOD their will be no eternal life . And hey , IF YOU REJECT CHRIST , YOU JUST REJECTED GOD . THIER AINT BUT ONE WAY O WORLD and let all that has ears to hear , HEAR AND RECIEVE IT . I Don't think we would be invited back . BUT PRAISE THE LORD the truth would have been sounded .
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Post by justinadams on Jan 28, 2019 6:14:39 GMT -5
women these days are crazy. not all of them. but the ones that are are pure poison. not even worth talking to them. manipulative lying soul destroying gold digging Judas Iscariots... deceitful with kisses. betrayers. Unfortunately I see some of what you say is true. I do see that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. It is most prevalent all around us. It is the seed of feminism that all appear blind to. Once this raises its ugly head, what can one say? Whatever you say you are branded an abuser and chauvinist. The state seems to love to split families with this Jungian philosophy and godless rhetoric.
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Post by justinadams on Jan 28, 2019 6:18:02 GMT -5
I’m seeing this more and more from women all over the place. It isn’t about any particular woman; it’s an epidemic. She starts as a single young woman. Living on her own, sharply independent, no one can control her, she’s always the smartest woman in the room. As she grows in her career (and perhaps in the church) she thinks she’d like to have a husband. He can give her a few kids, help pay the bills, and, you know, do “ministry” or whatever with her. She has no intention of submitting to him or relying on his income. She wants a man who will give her what she wants while staying at a distance. So of course, she chooses a man who is intellectuially/emotionally beneath her. Her plan is to keep working for “her” money while he keeps up the house. When the kids come along, she plans to be a single mother with a live-in breadwinner. He will have very little say on how the kids are raised. She plans to undermine all of his disciplinary instincts and make sure the kids are happily enrolled in soccer/ballet/football whether they deserve it or not (and whether the family can afford it or not). Shockingly, a man who is her intellectual inferior turns out to be a disppointment. She never saw that coming! The man she chose because he’s a doormat will act like a doormat to his friends and supervisors. She never saw that coming! His career isn’t growing as fast as she’d like, his friends are not the gentlemen she’d like them to be, and his perfomance in the bedroom is hardly the romance novel she thought it would be. The loser she married because he’s a loser continues to be a loser. Who saw that coming?? The Bible says she’s made a permanent, irreversible life choice? Heck no. She can’t believe she messed up her whole future with one mistake. She’s got to find a socially acceptable way to get rid of him. Her rhetoric changes into negative predicates of her husband. Where he was once “supportive of her career” he is now “demanding her to work full time.” Where he once “let her have her own friends” he is now “socially unavailable to her.” He is lazy, promiscuous, controlled by his toxic mother, emotionally withdrawn, and — that precious golden goose — abusive. “My husband” soon becomes “my abusive husband.” “My marriage” soon becomes “my abusive marriage.” She keeps this up until she convinces a friend (usually a social-justice feminist) to help her move out. By now she’s so invested in the charade that she really believes he’s worse than Hitler. She might even go so far as to claim she has PTSD (I’ve seriously seen this). When you ask her what abuse she endured, you get lots of vague mumbling about him hiding at a friend’s house and snapping when she texts him. Oh, and there’s also a scene where she walked in to catch him yelling at “her” child. The husband should have known there were extenuating circumstances for the child to go through his wallet, and he should have conferred with his wife for “all the information” before he jumped right to discipline. I mean, seeing someone go through your wallet is no excuse to yank it out of their hand, especially when the mother had (privately) told the child to do it. She was perfectly justified to correct him in front of the child. Then when he stormed out because he “obviously isn’t needed around here” this was proof of how he shirked on his fatherly duties. Don’t you see how it all comes together? He “expected” her to work full time, he “expected” her to have her own friends and amuse herself, he “expected” her to do all the parenting and drive the kids to the dance class he didn’t want them in, and she simply can’t do it all alone, and now he’s listening to his mother telling him to hide his income. And he won’t let his wife inspect his phone! Can’t you see how much of a victim she is?? Any Christian who judges her is clearly an anti-feminist who defends abuse. She keeps up her campaign until the majority of her friends feel sorry for her. Then she cobbles together a biblical justification for divorce. With that neatly taken care of, she cries herself to sleep every night because she’s “alone” and “financially struggling” and “in need of someone to hold her.” Voila, God doesn’t want her to suffer, so He promises to send her a second husband who will make everything right. Yes there are valid cases of abuse, but I wasn’t born yesterday. From this point forward, I’m not discussing biblical grounds for divorce (or separation) with a woman until I’m convinced she’s not looking for excuses to dump him. Again, I’m not basing this on any one person. It’s a trend I’ve started seeing in multiple places. This forum will not become a feminist excuse-factory for second marriages. Very good. Glad you said it and not me. The daughters of eve have no rebuttal coming from a woman. If it were to come from a man all the haughty ladies would laugh themselves silly on the way to the beauty parlor... looking for the next schmuck.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 28, 2019 9:43:17 GMT -5
Very good. Glad you said it and not me. The daughters of eve have no rebuttal coming from a woman. If it were to come from a man all the haughty ladies would laugh themselves silly on the way to the beauty parlor... looking for the next schmuck. All I can do is teach other women. I can’t address men on these things. One of the guys here will have to expound on relationships for men.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 28, 2019 10:00:55 GMT -5
I really am serious in what I say about some of the men here teaching other men. I don’t want this forum to be seen as a place where women are beaten up all the time.
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Post by Cletus on Jan 28, 2019 13:40:02 GMT -5
I really am serious in what I say about some of the men here teaching other men. I don’t want this forum to be seen as a place where women are beaten up all the time. in my post earlier i said something about not all women. I have no intention on beating up on women. i do not know if your quoted statement was directed to me, partially to me, or what... but just in case i did strike a nerve i wanted to clarify my statement was directed to a specific group of women and not all, (I am sure you picked up on that as you seem intelligent but some people dont read and just skim) and I have no intention on doing that. not saying you are just clarifying to nix strife before it can start.
I want no part of beating up on anyone, not anyone, and I do agree with what you said. we do not need that toxic stuff here. from either side.
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