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Post by John on Feb 6, 2019 17:17:57 GMT -5
No cup holders John, I take it with me from home in one of those thermos mugs with the top on it from spillage Okay. That should keep it from spilling. I have used those on the road. The coffee cup I have in the truck now wouldn't work. It is one that keeps the drinks hot for several hours, but it has a small hole in the top. I knocked it over last week, and it made a pretty good mess on the floor of the truck.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 6, 2019 18:06:26 GMT -5
It all depends on what you think our priority should be. Save as many people as possible, or strive for a church body that’s as spotless and anointed as possible? The mega-church model plays on emotions by saying you don’t care for the lost if you’re not pulling them in. How can you ignore lost people perishing while you “hide” in your church preening your feathers? This is the rhetoric. You see the same argument with charitable donations. Should we donate high quality things to give people our best, or should we buy twice as much cheap junk so we can “touch” more people? When it gets to the point that you’re giving them a pack of ramen noodles and a plastic toy from Dollar Tree, you have to wonder if it’s worth it. But seriously, I’ve seen people take it to that extreme, with this patronizing attitude that the beggars ought to be thankful for anything. I’ve always had the belief that we serve a God of excellence. Touching one person with excellence will really change a life. Touching two people with garbage will change neither. But that’s just me. From what I’ve seen in the church overall, this is the minority view. That brings up another question. Is anyone really being saved in these churches? I don't think they are, unless they are only being saved from lacking membership in a church. If they were really being saved from hell, I could see value in it. Ramen noodles will get you by better than nothing, but these people are being fed poison. On top of that, they aren't being discipled, so even if you manage to get some saved, they likely won't remain saved, because they are taught to live after the flesh.
The thing is , and I can prove this , THE ONE WHO SAVES US IS GOD . We know this of course . but let me tell you what I also mean by that . HOW come those churches I would visit , their carnal sermons were dead to me . How come tbn was dead to me . YET THE BIBLE WAS PURE AND WONDERFUL . A hint , THAT did not come from MY FLESH , it came FROM THE SPIRIT that puts WHOLE NEW DESIRES in us . WHEN I say we are saved by grace , SING IT OUT LOUD for it is true . and JESUS warned and warns what will choke the word , flesh loved things . CHOKE IT RIGHT OUT .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 6, 2019 18:13:35 GMT -5
The idea is that a little bit of Jesus is better than no Jesus. If they’re out there in the world they have no chance of being saved at all. At least if they’re in church every Sunday, there’s hope. I’m not advocating for this idea, just explaining it. These pastors would say it’s a bit watered down but it isn’t exactly poison. And — I will say this as humbly as I can — we have thousands of small traditional churches who talk a better talk but don’t really do any better with discipling. The problem of unrepentant fleshly church goers is an epidemic. Never in my whole life have I seen an openly rebellious/fractious church goer actually handed over to Satan as Paul taught. You might make good moral citizens of them, and good members of society, but are they really getting a true presentation of the gospel? Even if they do show up week in and week out, are they ever hearing a message of repentance, taking up your cross, and following Jesus? I am not saying that a person listening to secular music is sinning, so I don't want anyone to take me wrong, but how do you sing "Highway to Hell" in a church service? The song is calling hell the promised land, and telling people we are on the fast track there, and we don't want anyone to stop us. Bon Scott, the lead singer for AC/DC at the time died within a year of that song being released. He was drunk, and band members threw him in the back of a car to sober up, and he choked to death on his own vomit. Nobody stopped him, but I guarantee you he wishes someone had. Are people really getting saved in these churches?
The answer to this question is a two letter word , one consonate and one vowel . NO And if they are getting saved , THEY WILL LEAVE THEM . Its not these sermons and men doing the work of GOD , they don't plant and they don't water . Its like rome , if a catholic gets saved , you can rest assure in short time , THEY GONNA LEAVE THAT CHURCH . these would too . Just like I did . just like I did and others have . Because when its the leaders that cause the people to err and the people love to have it so, THAT IS CALLED JUDGEMENT . any and all who love what Is false , WILL GATHER under what is false and lets it have its hearts desire . BUT A LAMB , now its desires are not of the things that be of men , BUT THAT WHICH IS OF GOD . That is black and white , simple truth .
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Post by 4hizglory37 on Feb 6, 2019 18:19:48 GMT -5
You might make good moral citizens of them, and good members of society, but are they really getting a true presentation of the gospel? Even if they do show up week in and week out, are they ever hearing a message of repentance, taking up your cross, and following Jesus? I am not saying that a person listening to secular music is sinning, so I don't want anyone to take me wrong, but how do you sing "Highway to Hell" in a church service? The song is calling hell the promised land, and telling people we are on the fast track there, and we don't want anyone to stop us. Bon Scott, the lead singer for AC/DC at the time died within a year of that song being released. He was drunk, and band members threw him in the back of a car to sober up, and he choked to death on his own vomit. Nobody stopped him, but I guarantee you he wishes someone had. Are people really getting saved in these churches?
The answer to this question is a two letter word , one consonate and one vowel . NO And if they are getting saved , THEY WILL LEAVE THEM . Its not these sermons and men doing the work of GOD , they don't plant and they don't water . Its like rome , if a catholic gets saved , you can rest assure in short time , THEY GONNA LEAVE THAT CHURCH . these would too . Just like I did . just like I did and others have . Because when its the leaders that cause the people to err and the people love to have it so, THAT IS CALLED JUDGEMENT . any and all who love what Is false , WILL GATHER under what is false and lets it have its hearts desire . BUT A LAMB , now its desires are not of the things that be of men , BUT THAT WHICH IS OF GOD . That is black and white , simple truth .
It is like the seed that fell on rocky soil.....the great falling away..... the 5 foolish virgins...... or the man that built his house upon the sand......
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Post by frienduff on Feb 6, 2019 18:25:53 GMT -5
i can understand a bottle of water in church. but anything else... its not time or place. its time to respect and honor and worship God. eat your coffee and donuts on your time. and another thought on coffee and donuts... did you bring some for everyone? Its not polite to eat in front of others... but i guess these days people dont raise their kids to know stuff like that anymore. or they just dont care? i dont even like it when they call veterans up to the front of the church to honor them... not that i dont like vets or respect them... but next time your in a church and they mention this sit still. sit quiet. and listen to The Spirit. watch how fast His presence fades... listen to Him. He is still there. but He is a little bit sad that we changed the subject. church is for assembling together for God. nothing else. its disrespect to God. Sound it out Cletus . And before folks say , I am a veteran hater , WRONG again I AM ONE . But now I am no longer . NOW we in the ARMY OF THE LORD and LET GOD ALONE BE HONORED . We In a whole new army with a whole new commander . Now put those hands up and just praise the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 6, 2019 18:30:11 GMT -5
Its like I told Cletus the other day . I graduated top of my class of anti terrorism school in the marines many years ago . I was honored and loved by many . Taught well how to befriend , deceive and trick the enemy . Now years later , AFTER coming to CHRIST , we going to number one on the potential terror list and TERROR list in time . And we wont be hnored nor loved . YET I had rather have THIS HOPE I have now . Better to lose everything , even our life and have CHRIST than to live a king is this wicked world .
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Post by 4hizglory37 on Feb 6, 2019 18:31:26 GMT -5
Maybe my brain is not working right, right now but Blood is confusing me that you just need to BELIEVE and you are saved, so I said that you need to REPENT... so he agreed, so which is it??? I'm confused and I don't want to read any of his thoughts at the moment because my brain is hurting.... LOL
Can someone else read it and tell me what he is really saying? I don't feel like thinking very at the moment.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 6, 2019 18:33:46 GMT -5
Since we on this . Let me let you all in on a lil secrete . Every time they send out those , HEY lets succeed from the union here sign this petition or who loves trump surveys or other things . WHERE DO YOU THINK YOUR NAMES ARE GETTING ROUTED . As I said , BEFRIEND YOUR ENEMY and send out deceiving messages . You know why it wont work on me , cause I could care less about politics , and I know what they doing too . LET every man , woman and child PUT all hopes and set all affecitions above on Christ . AND Know and understand , OUR BETRAYER , BETRAYERS and BETRAYAL IS COMING . And it will be on us sooner than later .
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 6, 2019 18:37:30 GMT -5
Ugh, wading through BloodBought’s convoluted nonsense? That doesn’t sound like fun. Last time I tried to engage with him, he soiled the thread with “jokes” about how he had a great sex life because women were all over him. What this had to do with the topic is beyond me. A few of us complained, but the mods let it stand.
He’s about as repentant as a cat who looks you in the eye while shoving your things off the table.
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Post by 4hizglory37 on Feb 6, 2019 18:44:39 GMT -5
Ugh, wading through BloodBought’s convoluted nonsense? That doesn’t sound like fun. Last time I tried to engage with him, he soiled the thread with “jokes” about how he had a great sex life because women were all over him. What this had to do with the topic is beyond me. A few of us complained, but the mods let it stand. He’s about as repentant as a cat who looks you in the eye while shoving your things off the table. ROFL!!! that makes me feel better! thanks Candance! I thought I was just being dumb and not getting it..... love the cat analogy too! but, the "great sex life" ? Worthy condones FORNICATORS???
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Post by John on Feb 6, 2019 18:47:46 GMT -5
Ugh, wading through BloodBought’s convoluted nonsense? That doesn’t sound like fun. Last time I tried to engage with him, he soiled the thread with “jokes” about how he had a great sex life because women were all over him. What this had to do with the topic is beyond me. A few of us complained, but the mods let it stand. He’s about as repentant as a cat who looks you in the eye while shoving your things off the table. He cursed, even using God's name in vain, and they did nothing. He says he is a filthy sinner on his way to heaven. I don't believe he has been born again.
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Post by John on Feb 6, 2019 18:49:38 GMT -5
Ugh, wading through BloodBought’s convoluted nonsense? That doesn’t sound like fun. Last time I tried to engage with him, he soiled the thread with “jokes” about how he had a great sex life because women were all over him. What this had to do with the topic is beyond me. A few of us complained, but the mods let it stand. He’s about as repentant as a cat who looks you in the eye while shoving your things off the table. ROFL!!! that makes me feel better! thanks Candance! I thought I was just being dumb and not getting it..... love the cat analogy too! but, the "great sex life" ? Worthy condones FORNICATORS??? I am pretty sure he said he is married, so adulterer is more like it. They have another member named Pink Belt that is living openly in adultery, and they know it. She posted about leaving her husband and running off to Canada with her boyfriend. The place is totally corrupt.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 6, 2019 18:50:38 GMT -5
If you’re a popular part of the OSAS clique, you can say almost anything you like there. I’ve seen some truly shameful behavior.
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Post by 4hizglory37 on Feb 6, 2019 18:55:33 GMT -5
wow........I have no words..............
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Post by John on Feb 6, 2019 19:04:16 GMT -5
If you’re a popular part of the OSAS clique, you can say almost anything you like there. I’ve seen some truly shameful behavior. That is why I was saying Worthy Christian Forums has become an OSAS cult. I don't think Shiloh, Davida and Cobalt were banned for any reason besides they ticked George off in that thread in the political section. I would imagine he likes telling stories that it was about their behavior, to give him cover over the OSAS issue, but for the most part, if you are OSAS, you can get away with almost anything. The one exception is if you attack George or any position he takes openly.
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