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Post by John on Feb 13, 2019 13:02:07 GMT -5
I will give you one more and then give others a chance. Those in a bad marriage that ignore the Bible and choose to divorce and re-marry without Biblical grounds.
A bonus one. Those who ignore scriptures about fornication and are into casual sex while dating.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Feb 13, 2019 13:05:02 GMT -5
How many rejected the scripture about not being unequally yoked and married an unbeliever?
I see it like this:
When we vomit, it happened because we ingested something that caused us evil.
When someone acknowledges something is evil (e.g. a sin), they are vomiting that sin.
Then, when they are fed with the Word and they go back to sin and disregard the Word completely then they are going back to that sin they have vomited.
"But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”" - 2 Peter 2:22
They preferred to ingest their vomit again, they were too stubborn to keep on feeding on the Word.
They loved the vomit more than the Word.
"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." - Matthew 7:6
They do not want what is holy, they do not want to live the truth, they just want their vomit, again and again.
"always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." - 2 Timothy 3:7
"...If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." - John 8:31-32
"They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”" - John 8:33
"...Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." - John 8:34-36
Blessings in Jesus' name!
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Post by John on Feb 13, 2019 14:35:40 GMT -5
Joins a group like the Masons for power and business contacts, knowing they do things that are evil in the sight of God.
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Post by John on Feb 13, 2019 14:41:05 GMT -5
A minister shows partiality towards individuals with money and influence, knowing the Bible says not to be a respecter of persons.
A minister chooses popularity over truth and doesn't preach on anything that might offend. He ignores the part about preaching the whole counsel of the Word of God.
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Post by Cletus on Feb 14, 2019 0:08:48 GMT -5
I am just trying to provoke people to careful thought through this thread, simply because I care. And personally I think that the things I quoted from Adam Clarke, and Joseph Benson, and the things that Cletus shared, all are truthful in the areas that they covered. To me Cletus has been a real blessing to me in many ways. it is very good to read this because when God saved me He came to me and asked me questions... what good is my life doing me? what good is my life doing in others lives? what good am i doing on the earth? etc. the only answer i had was nothing... none... nothing... none... etc. Cletus has never done anything good.
what i know is because of God in my life. When God came to me when i was locked up to save me i was doing nothing good in my life for me, others, in the world... nothing. there is nothing good in Cletus, except what God has put there. ALL GLORY ALL PRAISE AND ALL CREDIT BELONGS TO GOD... and Him alone!
God has been good to me, well beyond anything i could deserve. because of His goodness to me i chose to come on internet forums and share what i have in hopes others lives are enriched... with that sweet sweet honey. (and even then, i think he gave me the idea to come on internet forums)
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Post by Cletus on Feb 14, 2019 0:14:04 GMT -5
So what makes someone vomit the word of God, or I should say also what can make a believer vomit the word of God? i think it has to do with our capacity. not that we vomit Gods words. think about what happens in our lives if we have Gods provision but we seek out to reach to things above our reach, above Gods provision.... things mess up for us. if we seek to get more than we can hold, our capacity, our life becomes a mess, like a puddle of vomit. it makes us sick to even think about it. a dog returning to its vomit is us returning to a sin God has made us free from. at least thats what my understanding is from when i backslid. and God dealt with me on it.
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Post by Giller on Feb 14, 2019 0:47:02 GMT -5
So what makes someone vomit the word of God, or I should say also what can make a believer vomit the word of God? i think it has to do with our capacity. not that we vomit Gods words. think about what happens in our lives if we have Gods provision but we seek out to reach to things above our reach, above Gods provision.... things mess up for us. if we seek to get more than we can hold, our capacity, our life becomes a mess, like a puddle of vomit. it makes us sick to even think about it. a dog returning to its vomit is us returning to a sin God has made us free from. at least thats what my understanding is from when i backslid. and God dealt with me on it. Oh no doubt returning to ones vomit is going back to the sinful lifestyle God set you free from. And of course the way I used it, which I explained in another post of mine, is when we reject the word, it is as if you are vomiting the word, but not literally of course. I am using it more as a metaphor or in parable form I guess you can say. But nevertheless, it is important that we allow the word to touch our hearts and do it's work in us, and like it says in a parable, the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and lusts of other things entering in, chokes the word (Mar_4:19) and it becometh unfruitful, and it is much in this way I am using my saying.
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Post by Giller on Feb 14, 2019 1:13:06 GMT -5
Here is a scripture, that I find is very much misused, and often times rejected in it's true meaning by many who are either Christians, or call themselves Christians.
1Co 6:12-13 (12) All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. (13) Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
Usually this scripture gets oftenly quoted when someone is trying to defend their favorite sin.
Notice that it mentions meats, and the body in the next verse.
Now of course in other verses it mentions things such as eating meats sacrificed to idols, and of a weaker brother believing to only eat herbs and not meat, and there are things in each circumstance that a strong brother, should refrain from doing, which would not be expedient, and doing so for love's sake.
Now are all things in and of themselves lawful? Or allowable? Well of course, but can something that is lawful, become unlawful or unallowable?
Yes they can become unlawful.
And making love in and of itself, is lawful, but only in the bonds of marriage, between a man and a wife, but when fornication is in the mix then it becomes unlawful, as the Lord says that the body is not for fornication.
So I find it very important, to examine what we do at times, and compare it with the works of the flesh, are you partaking in this or that in a lawful way, or in an unlawful way?
And of course we do not allow ourselves to be brought under the power of anything that we do, to were it becomes number 1 in our lives, rather than Christ, thus becoming an idol.
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Post by Giller on Feb 14, 2019 8:32:36 GMT -5
Some of the words I think which would be beneficial to look into, are the words emulations and revellings which is in the list of the works of the flesh.
And to look into these words in a more in depth way.
And I like the word that the KJV bible uses, which is emulations (plural), but the word the N.I.V. and the E.S.V. uses is the word jealousy but in singular form rather than in plural form.
I believe that the word emulations (plural), has much more broader meanings that one might think, and we have to remember that it is in plural form.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 14, 2019 11:21:30 GMT -5
This is an interesting topic Giller!
We really have two different strands here. One deals with sinful impulses to take in depravity which we then spread around to others. People who watch a lot of pornography, for example, have been found to lower their standards on respect, violence, and abuse in relationships. It actually makes you more callous toward the way people are treated. Clinical science has proven this. So you take in poison, feast on it, digest it, and then spew out profane, disrespectful behavior toward others. Oh sure, it started out as “liberty” to enjoy a movie with a few inappropriate scenes, but before you know it you’re addicted to a toxic product that makes you mentally sick. I believe this is what Peter was describing.
The other strand deals with feasting on God’s word. I don’t think there’s any right or wrong way to read the Bible. If someone wants to read the full story of Esther to understand the whole situation, and then spend a few days pondering her whole lifestyle, that’s great. Scripture is instructive in big ways and small ways. Of course we should never skim through the Bible half-way paying attention. That kind of haste is never fruitful. But there’s nothing wrong with reading a whole story in one sitting. Sometimes people try so hard to go “line by line” that they end up in the weeds. The optimal way to study Scripture is to see a book/epistle in all its glory — the big picture, the little picture, and everything in between. Read it straight through, read it line by line, read it to look for patterns, etc, and take in everything it has to offer.
Here’s the thing about failing to digest God’s word. Baby Christians need milk. They can’t handle meat (and I would extrapolate a tiny bit to say they can’t handle anything too rich either). Milk is basically instant nutrition that requires no chewing or heavy processing. It’s also bland. It gets the job done, but it isn’t very “interesting.” It seems to be very basic and obvious; people think they’re already living it when they’re really not. Baby Christians get bored with practical counsel to avoid sin, wanting to move on to the “deep” things of prophesy and Revelation, eager to boast that they are mature enough for meat. Thus we have untransformed, undisciplined Christians defending sinful behaviors while they covet prophetic razzle-dazzle. Then they start vomiting up convoluted doctrines and nonsensical “revelations” because they’re chewing on things they cannot digest with a carnal mind. Eventually they have to start rejecting/vomiting parts of Scripture they don’t want to hear.
Remember what James tells us about hearing and doing. If you hear the word and let it pass through you with no change in your attitude, you wasted your time. It has to start at the milk level. Take in the milk, be patient in your growth, accept where you are, and actually do what the milk says to do. If you won’t do the milk, you won’t do the meat.
I’ve seen in the church a tendency to belittle or downplay the milk of the word. People are so quick to say “let’s move on to meat!” and this makes babies feel pressured to grow up already. It’s shameful to be a baby feeding on milk. We read in Hebrews that those people “ought” to have been on meat already, and we use this as a maxim to apply across the board on people who are nowhere near ready to leave milk.
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Post by Giller on Feb 14, 2019 12:16:44 GMT -5
This is an interesting topic Giller! We really have two different strands here. One deals with sinful impulses to take in depravity which we then spread around to others. People who watch a lot of pornography, for example, have been found to lower their standards on respect, violence, and abuse in relationships. It actually makes you more callous toward the way people are treated. Clinical science has proven this. So you take in poison, feast on it, digest it, and then spew out profane, disrespectful behavior toward others. Oh sure, it started out as “liberty” to enjoy a movie with a few inappropriate scenes, but before you know it you’re addicted to a toxic product that makes you mentally sick. I believe this is what Peter was describing. The other strand deals with feasting on God’s word. I don’t think there’s any right or wrong way to read the Bible. If someone wants to read the full story of Esther to understand the whole situation, and then spend a few days pondering her whole lifestyle, that’s great. Scripture is instructive in big ways and small ways. Of course we should never skim through the Bible half-way paying attention. That kind of haste is never fruitful. But there’s nothing wrong with reading a whole story in one sitting. Sometimes people try so hard to go “line by line” that they end up in the weeds. The optimal way to study Scripture is to see a book/epistle in all its glory — the big picture, the little picture, and everything in between. Read it straight through, read it line by line, read it to look for patterns, etc, and take in everything it has to offer. Here’s the thing about failing to digest God’s word. Baby Christians need milk. They can’t handle meat (and I would extrapolate a tiny bit to say they can’t handle anything too rich either). Milk is basically instant nutrition that requires no chewing or heavy processing. It’s also bland. It gets the job done, but it isn’t very “interesting.” It seems to be very basic and obvious; people think they’re already living it when they’re really not. Baby Christians get bored with practical counsel to avoid sin, wanting to move on to the “deep” things of prophesy and Revelation, eager to boast that they are mature enough for meat. Thus we have untransformed, undisciplined Christians defending sinful behaviors while they covet prophetic razzle-dazzle. Then they start vomiting up convoluted doctrines and nonsensical “revelations” because they’re chewing on things they cannot digest with a carnal mind. Eventually they have to start rejecting/vomiting parts of Scripture they don’t want to hear. Remember what James tells us about hearing and doing. If you hear the word and let it pass through you with no change in your attitude, you wasted your time. It has to start at the milk level. Take in the milk, be patient in your growth, accept where you are, and actually do what the milk says to do. If you won’t do the milk, you won’t do the meat. I’ve seen in the church a tendency to belittle or downplay the milk of the word. People are so quick to say “let’s move on to meat!” and this makes babies feel pressured to grow up already. It’s shameful to be a baby feeding on milk. We read in Hebrews that those people “ought” to have been on meat already, and we use this as a maxim to apply across the board on people who are nowhere near ready to leave milk. Very good balanced comments.
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Post by Giller on Feb 14, 2019 12:37:03 GMT -5
I think in some cases there are things that are more toxic than what we realize.
Here is as scripture that I like:
2Pe 1:5-8 (5) And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; (6) And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; (7) And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. (8) For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Now notice it does not say to add any of the works of the flesh to these, it does not say to add say revelry, or the works of the flesh called emulations (plural).
I am just mentioning this, to show the opposites, in comparing the opposite sinful ways to the true things that you should add, and knowing the difference between the 2.
Then it can show what type of attitude is being heeded to in this or that situation.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 14, 2019 12:51:38 GMT -5
I think in some cases there are things that are more toxic than what we realize. Here is as scripture that I like: 2Pe 1:5-8 (5) And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; (6) And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; (7) And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. (8) For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now notice it does not say to add any of the works of the flesh to these, it does not say to add say revelry, or the works of the flesh called emulations (plural). I am just mentioning this, to show the opposites, in comparing the opposite sinful ways to the true things that you should add, and knowing the difference between the 2. Then it can show what type of attitude is being heeded to in this or that situation. You will also notice that virtue is the first thing we’re to add to our faith. Knowledge not rooted in virtue will be unfruitful. Kindness and charity not rooted in virtuous, godly knowledge will go astray. It’s great to be generous, but not if you’re a fool. Our trees need to be deeply rooted, well fertlized, well pruned, and well guarded before we start trying to show off our fruit.
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Post by Giller on Feb 14, 2019 14:40:03 GMT -5
I think in some cases there are things that are more toxic than what we realize. Here is as scripture that I like: 2Pe 1:5-8 (5) And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; (6) And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; (7) And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. (8) For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now notice it does not say to add any of the works of the flesh to these, it does not say to add say revelry, or the works of the flesh called emulations (plural). I am just mentioning this, to show the opposites, in comparing the opposite sinful ways to the true things that you should add, and knowing the difference between the 2. Then it can show what type of attitude is being heeded to in this or that situation. You will also notice that virtue is the first thing we’re to add to our faith. Knowledge not rooted in virtue will be unfruitful. Kindness and charity not rooted in virtuous, godly knowledge will go astray. It’s great to be generous, but not if you’re a fool. Our trees need to be deeply rooted, well fertlized, well pruned, and well guarded before we start trying to show off our fruit. Nothing to disagree with here.
God is good, we need him, and get to know him better each day.
We need to care about each other in every way, even in these areas.
We need to decrease (all of us), so that he may increase.
Amen!!!
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Post by Giller on Feb 15, 2019 0:15:13 GMT -5
I pray that people will take heed to things that have been posted in this thread.
I pray that people will at least look into this emulations, revelling stuff that I have mentioned, I pray that it won't go in one ear and out the other, and just fade away, like so many things do.
And I think it would probably be a very good thing to look into this word virtue that Candance mentioned.
God is good, he is coming soon, let us be ready to meet him, amen!!!
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