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Post by tlsitd on Apr 13, 2018 8:38:04 GMT -5
Paul wrote something about this in 1 Corinthians: I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. (1 Corinthians 4:6) Throughout the epistle of 1st Corinthians Paul was addressing certain arrogant people who were teaching with authority what they didn't properly understand and ought not to have been teaching:"Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food"; "All things are lawful for me"; "It is good for a man not to touch a woman"; "All of us possess knowledge". If all the brothers were speaking the same thing (just teaching what is in the Scriptures, and not adding anything to it) there would be no reason for anyone to follow a certain brother or for one brother to be exalted above another because of what he taught. When people add things to the Scriptures, or deliberately twist or tamper with them, it's for themselves, to get themselves a following and glory. As Jesus also said: "The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory, but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood." (If this was true of Jesus, who the Father sent, it should be true of those who follow Jesus and who He sends---not seeking their own glory but God's, and speaking on the authority of God's Word, and not their own.) This is a case where the KJV Bible does not agree with your Bible or the NKJV Bible. Here is how it puts it in 1 Corinthians 4:6 and I will add verse 7 as well. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for our sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?When I read it from your translation and even the NKJV Bible, I get a completely different meaning, than from the Authorized KJV Bible. What I get from the KJV Bible is simply that we shouldn't put men on a pedestal, and make them greater than what is written. It is not saying we shouldn't add to the Word to make ourselves appear smarter than others, but it is saying we shouldn't look at men as greater than one another, which goes against scriptural teachings. The Bible teaches we are all co-laborers together, one is not superior to another, and we shouldn't go around lifting up individuals above their brethren. One plants, another waters, but God gives the increase. There is no question that some people will exalt themselves above others. That is clearly wrong. The whole body must learn to work together, and we all need each other to simply fulfil the role God gave us. I believe that while we do not agree on Bible translations, we can agree on the need to be humble. Pride is a sin. Yes, you're right brother, the wording is different between the translations, and the old English is a bit "murky". The understanding I get from the KJV is similar to the understanding I get from the ESV: Not thinking of men above that which is written (KJV) means to me not putting the word of men above the word of God, or the authority of the word of man above the authority of the word of God, which would be what 'that which is written' refers to. (This is something that the Pharisees were guilty of and which Jesus rebuked them for. They were also lovers of themselves and personal glory, such as being called 'Rabbi'.) If the brothers were only teaching what was Scriptural and correct, there couldn't be divisions among them and people wouldn't esteem one teacher above another because there would be no reason to, as they would all be in agreement with each other and teaching the same thing. In order for a man to be thought of more highly than others who were teaching the same thing, he would have to teach something different or, 'go beyond what is written' (ESV). Paul is also addressing the boasting of some of the brothers who thought they were something, not thinking of themselves soberly as vessels through which the Lord was working---their every gift being from Him and enabled by Him. What has thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it? Basically saying that these men were boasting about themselves as though what they had received from God came from themselves and not from Him, and that they themselves were something special because of what they had. (See 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 also.) Paul also addressed this issue in his epistle to Timothy when he wrote to him about the qualifications for an overseer (or pastor or bishop): Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. (1 Timothy 3:6) And Jesus also warned His disciples about this same thing that Paul was addressing with the Corinthians brothers who were boasting about what they had received---knowing well what is in man and how he is inclined to think: And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. (And we know why he did.) Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject to you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:17-20)
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2018 11:25:13 GMT -5
Butero. lift hands and praise the Lord. The Lord will give us understanding . I have loved that kjv too. I know some have said that it is hard to understand. But as we seek Him it just comes together . I have in time found , that by just reading it and loving it things will become clearer and clearer. The one thing I also love about the king james is , it altered nothing and the pattern of how it is written all lines up with other places in it . an example is it keeps the word unnatural affection in timothy . it also uses the word useemingly in corithains to show what love is not then in romans one to shows us with the same word , man with man working that which is unseemingly. It truly just reveals truth and not what man thinks it should have said or should say. It kept it all in line . I just pray many would go back to just reading it and if any has questions about what they read , pray and also ask one another . I am encouraged by the truth that light In the darkness brought . And I am happy that it seems the ones HERE want to really serve the LORD and look out for another too. We know we can explain things from hearts that desire only good for the hearer. If any has questions let us pray and ask one another and always be here to encourage and edify , exhorting daily one another . Having a sincere desire to know the truth, and to sincerely serve God, no matter what he asks of us, is the most important thing. I love my KJV Bible too. I wouldn't use any other translation. If I had no choice but to use something else, my first choice would be the Geneva Bible and as a last resort, the NKJV Bible, but I believe the Authorized KJV Bible is the absolute best English translation. It is not even close.
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2018 11:29:17 GMT -5
This is a case where the KJV Bible does not agree with your Bible or the NKJV Bible. Here is how it puts it in 1 Corinthians 4:6 and I will add verse 7 as well. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for our sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?When I read it from your translation and even the NKJV Bible, I get a completely different meaning, than from the Authorized KJV Bible. What I get from the KJV Bible is simply that we shouldn't put men on a pedestal, and make them greater than what is written. It is not saying we shouldn't add to the Word to make ourselves appear smarter than others, but it is saying we shouldn't look at men as greater than one another, which goes against scriptural teachings. The Bible teaches we are all co-laborers together, one is not superior to another, and we shouldn't go around lifting up individuals above their brethren. One plants, another waters, but God gives the increase. There is no question that some people will exalt themselves above others. That is clearly wrong. The whole body must learn to work together, and we all need each other to simply fulfil the role God gave us. I believe that while we do not agree on Bible translations, we can agree on the need to be humble. Pride is a sin. Yes, you're right brother, the wording is different between the translations, and the old English is a bit "murky". The understanding I get from the KJV is similar to the understanding I get from the ESV: Not thinking of men above that which is written (KJV) means to me not putting the word of men above the word of God, or the authority of the word of man above the authority of the word of God, which would be what 'that which is written' refers to. (This is something that the Pharisees were guilty of and which Jesus rebuked them for. They were also well known to be lovers of themselves and personal glory, such as being called 'Rabbi'.) If the brothers were only teaching what was Scriptural and correct, there couldn't be divisions among them and people wouldn't esteem one teacher above another because there would be no reason to, as they would all be in agreement with each other and teaching the same thing. In order for a man to be thought of more highly of than others who were teaching the same thing, he would have to teach something different or, 'go beyond what is written' (ESV). Paul is also addressing the boasting of some of the brothers who thought they were something, not thinking of themselves soberly as vessels through which the Lord was working---their every gift being from Him and enabled by Him. What has thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it? Basically saying that these men were boasting about themselves as though what they had received from God came from themselves and not from Him, and that they themselves were something special because of what they had. (See 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 also.) Paul also addressed this issue in his epistle to Timothy when he wrote to him about the qualifications for an overseer (or pastor or bishop): Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. (1 Timothy 3:6) And Jesus also warned His disciples about this same thing that Paul was addressing with the Corinthians brothers who were boasting about what they had received---knowing well what is in man and how he is inclined to think: And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. (And we know why he did.) Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject to you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:17-20) Yes. We are all fellow laborers in the Lord. One is not above another, regardless of the position we were called of God to fill. We are all saved by grace, and none of us deserved it. We are all privileged to be called of God to his service. We should be humbled by it, not lifted up in pride.
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Post by tlsitd on Apr 13, 2018 13:24:16 GMT -5
Yes, you're right brother, the wording is different between the translations, and the old English is a bit "murky". The understanding I get from the KJV is similar to the understanding I get from the ESV: Not thinking of men above that which is written (KJV) means to me not putting the word of men above the word of God, or the authority of the word of man above the authority of the word of God, which would be what 'that which is written' refers to. (This is something that the Pharisees were guilty of and which Jesus rebuked them for. They were also well known to be lovers of themselves and personal glory, such as being called 'Rabbi'.) If the brothers were only teaching what was Scriptural and correct, there couldn't be divisions among them and people wouldn't esteem one teacher above another because there would be no reason to, as they would all be in agreement with each other and teaching the same thing. In order for a man to be thought of more highly of than others who were teaching the same thing, he would have to teach something different or, 'go beyond what is written' (ESV). Paul is also addressing the boasting of some of the brothers who thought they were something, not thinking of themselves soberly as vessels through which the Lord was working---their every gift being from Him and enabled by Him. What has thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it? Basically saying that these men were boasting about themselves as though what they had received from God came from themselves and not from Him, and that they themselves were something special because of what they had. (See 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 also.) Paul also addressed this issue in his epistle to Timothy when he wrote to him about the qualifications for an overseer (or pastor or bishop): Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. (1 Timothy 3:6) And Jesus also warned His disciples about this same thing that Paul was addressing with the Corinthians brothers who were boasting about what they had received---knowing well what is in man and how he is inclined to think: And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. (And we know why he did.) Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject to you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:17-20) Yes. We are all fellow laborers in the Lord. One is not above another, regardless of the position we were called of God to fill. We are all saved by grace, and none of us deserved it. We are all privileged to be called of God to his service. We should be humbled by it, not lifted up in pride. I wish so much that more Christians grasped this and held on tight to it. "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord." (1 Corinthians 1:31) I empathize with the apostle Paul trying to get what he understood about this across to the brothers. I believe it's a matter of God renewing a person's mind for him or her to understand it ( really understand it, not just give a shallow mental assent to it). Not having and keeping a firm grasp on this understanding---that no one is anything of him or herself, but it is the Lord who works in all, and no one is 'better' than another---leads to foolish and ugly attitudes, desires and imaginings, besides depriving a person of good things that God may desire to give them through another for their benefit. (It's my personal belief that people who subconsciously think more highly of themselves than they ought project what they think of themselves, and their own desires, onto others.) Speaking for myself, I'm always interested to hear the understanding that the Lord has given others about things and how He is working and has worked in their lives---mindful of the fact that it is God who works all things in all of His saints---and weighing what I hear, to gain whatever I may from what He may have given someone else. I believe that's how it should be, and how the Lord wants it to be for all of His saints. (If only it were that way.)
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Post by frienduff on Apr 13, 2018 15:58:14 GMT -5
Butero. lift hands and praise the Lord. The Lord will give us understanding . I have loved that kjv too. I know some have said that it is hard to understand. But as we seek Him it just comes together . I have in time found , that by just reading it and loving it things will become clearer and clearer. The one thing I also love about the king james is , it altered nothing and the pattern of how it is written all lines up with other places in it . an example is it keeps the word unnatural affection in timothy . it also uses the word useemingly in corithains to show what love is not then in romans one to shows us with the same word , man with man working that which is unseemingly. It truly just reveals truth and not what man thinks it should have said or should say. It kept it all in line . I just pray many would go back to just reading it and if any has questions about what they read , pray and also ask one another . I am encouraged by the truth that light In the darkness brought . And I am happy that it seems the ones HERE want to really serve the LORD and look out for another too. We know we can explain things from hearts that desire only good for the hearer. If any has questions let us pray and ask one another and always be here to encourage and edify , exhorting daily one another . Having a sincere desire to know the truth, and to sincerely serve God, no matter what he asks of us, is the most important thing. I love my KJV Bible too. I wouldn't use any other translation. If I had no choice but to use something else, my first choice would be the Geneva Bible and as a last resort, the NKJV Bible, but I believe the Authorized KJV Bible is the absolute best English translation. It is not even close.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 13, 2018 16:01:32 GMT -5
My brother praise the LORD . I did try many versions as well. Not a one comes close to the pureness I get from the KJV. FEAST ON IT my brother , feast from its pages and praise the Lord . Many of them flat out can scare the fleas off a dog . I seen bad changes . real scary ones . I , say we keep with the kjv and help those who may like other versions to see what we saw . We loves the people and praise the Lord .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 22:09:54 GMT -5
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puft up by his fleshly mind.There is no question that we are not supposed to worship angels. The only one worthy of our worship is God. As such, what do you think this verse means, when it speaks of getting a reward with regard to worshipping of angels? I think I might know the answer, but I am not sure, and would like to hear the opinion of others. Hi Butero. Colossians 2:18, Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, In a nut shell, Let no man take your prize. You have found Christ and been made free from sin by the gospel and the Holy Spirit. You started in the spirit so do not let any man introduce you to finish in the flesh (V. 18; Gal. 3:1-5). Galatians. 3:1-5; V.1, O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2, This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3, Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4, Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5, He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
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Post by Sister on Apr 14, 2018 11:31:39 GMT -5
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puft up by his fleshly mind.There is no question that we are not supposed to worship angels. The only one worthy of our worship is God. As such, what do you think this verse means, when it speaks of getting a reward with regard to worshipping of angels? I think I might know the answer, but I am not sure, and would like to hear the opinion of others. Butero I posted my opinion to this as a guest when I couldn't log on, and my reply didn't show so just letting you know. I replied twice, and now for the 3rd time I'll give my opinion again. All it's saying is to let no man beguile us (charm/enchant) by taking away our reward (salvation) in the voluntary (no commandment given) humillity in worship of angels. Humility - As to humble ourselves before them ....as inferior to them, for the angels of the Lord are as brethren serving our Lord Jesus Christ also. And we know that if we choose to worship angels, then an evil angel will come in their place and appear as an angel of light leading us into perdition. Intruding into those things we have not seen is the spirit world appearing. I know this goes on in Satanic churches and witchcraft where the angels or evil spirits actually show themselves and give guidance. If one is being deceived in that he thinks he is in communication with an angel of God, then he will think he's someone special, like Abraham, or Lot etc, and he will get puffed up thinking he's great when in fact he's just brought damnation on himself. That's how I see it. The angels of the Lord are our brethren, and the angels of Lucifer we will judge. We are not inferior to any of them, therefore do not show humility before them.
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Post by John on Apr 14, 2018 11:48:28 GMT -5
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puft up by his fleshly mind.There is no question that we are not supposed to worship angels. The only one worthy of our worship is God. As such, what do you think this verse means, when it speaks of getting a reward with regard to worshipping of angels? I think I might know the answer, but I am not sure, and would like to hear the opinion of others. Butero I posted my opinion to this as a guest when I couldn't log on, and my reply didn't show so just letting you know. I replied twice, and now for the 3rd time I'll give my opinion again. All it's saying is to let no man beguile us (charm/enchant) by taking away our reward (salvation) in the voluntary (no commandment given) humillity in worship of angels. Humility - As to humble ourselves before them ....as inferior to them, for the angels of the Lord are as brethren serving our Lord Jesus Christ also. And we know that if we choose to worship angels, then an evil angel will come in their place and appear as an angel of light leading us into perdition. Intruding into those things we have not seen is the spirit world appearing. I know this goes on in Satanic churches and witchcraft where the angels or evil spirits actually show themselves and give guidance. If one is being deceived in that he thinks he is in communication with an angel of God, then he will think he's someone special, like Abraham, or Lot etc, and he will get puffed up thinking he's great when in fact he's just brought damnation on himself. That's how I see it. The angels of the Lord are our brethren, and the angels of Lucifer we will judge. We are not inferior to any of them, therefore do not show humility before them. That takes dedication to post the same thing 3 times. I am glad you didn't give up. There are many answers that have been given, and all of them differ, but I think there are elements of truth in all of them. I appreciate everyone that has posted in this thread, and especially you for doing it 3 times, and if anyone else has any ideas as to the meaning, feel free to jump in.
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Post by otherone on Apr 19, 2018 10:32:42 GMT -5
I find that the KJV is disruptive in my thought process because of the wording and grammar..... but listening to it makes perfect sense all the time..... it is about all that I listen to these days.... I don't read the Bible for pleasure like I used to, I only use the written form to do research.... but when I study to just learn what the Bible says it is always from mp3 files of the KJV. I like Alexander Scorbey's voice and he pronounces the names correctly in the Old Testament.
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Post by John on Apr 19, 2018 11:25:55 GMT -5
I find that the KJV is disruptive in my thought process because of the wording and grammar..... but listening to it makes perfect sense all the time..... it is about all that I listen to these days.... I don't read the Bible for pleasure like I used to, I only use the written form to do research.... but when I study to just learn what the Bible says it is always from mp3 files of the KJV. I like Alexander Scorbey's voice and he pronounces the names correctly in the Old Testament. I converted the Bible on cd to mp3 files to listen to going down the road. It is the KJV Bible as read by Alexander Scorby. I think he does an excellent job, and I have had a lot of truths revealed to me listening to it. You get a different view of things when you can go through an entire book at once, as opposed to just a verse here and a passage there.
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Post by otherone on Apr 21, 2018 17:48:40 GMT -5
I find that the KJV is disruptive in my thought process because of the wording and grammar..... but listening to it makes perfect sense all the time..... it is about all that I listen to these days.... I don't read the Bible for pleasure like I used to, I only use the written form to do research.... but when I study to just learn what the Bible says it is always from mp3 files of the KJV. I like Alexander Scorbey's voice and he pronounces the names correctly in the Old Testament. I converted the Bible on cd to mp3 files to listen to going down the road. It is the KJV Bible as read by Alexander Scorby. I think he does an excellent job, and I have had a lot of truths revealed to me listening to it. You get a different view of things when you can go through an entire book at once, as opposed to just a verse here and a passage there. to me it's letting the Bible speak to me instead of trying to make the Bible say something...
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Post by John on Apr 23, 2018 20:45:42 GMT -5
I converted the Bible on cd to mp3 files to listen to going down the road. It is the KJV Bible as read by Alexander Scorby. I think he does an excellent job, and I have had a lot of truths revealed to me listening to it. You get a different view of things when you can go through an entire book at once, as opposed to just a verse here and a passage there. to me it's letting the Bible speak to me instead of trying to make the Bible say something... The Lord will speak to us right out of the pages of his Word.
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Post by oc on May 2, 2018 1:21:07 GMT -5
Apostle Paul while he was still imprisoned in Rome, had sent Tychicus to deliver three letters being Ephesians, Colossians and Philemon. Paul also sent a runaway slave named Onesimus back with Tychicus to escort him back to his master in Colosse (Colossians 4:7-9; Philemon 8-22). It could have been the necessity of sending this slave back to his master that prompted apostle Paul to address certain problems that were going on in the church at Colosse, especially in particular with the Gnostic teaching of the false philosophers known as Gnosticism. These vain philosophers that had crept into the church at Colosse had insisted that Jesus could not have had a human body, for bodies were evil so therefore Jesus as a man could not have been crucified as a spotless sacrifice for the sins of mankind. Apostle Paul through his letters "countered" he spoke against the gnostic teachings of these vain philosophers (Colossians 2:8-23) by "affirming that God in all of his fullness dwelt inside the body of Jesus" (John 1:12-18; Colossians 1:18-23). That Jesus was indeed a human man that God dwelt in his flesh bodily and it was Jesus' death in the body that reconciles us to God (Colossians 1:20-23). Christians are told they must put to death the sinful deeds of the flesh (Colossians 3:5) and bring to life the spiritual virtues of faith (Colossians 3:12,24). Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the "REWARD" of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. In this case the verse that is in question is...
Colossians 2:18,19 - Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
These two verses go together as one as we are told by apostle Paul (Colossians 2:8-11) to beware of any man who seeks to spoil us through philosophy and vain deceit, which is after the tradition of men, the elements of the world, and not after the teachings of Christ. Christians are to be cautious of what we hear and see with our eyes so we will not be beguiled as Eve was in the garden by Satan. Satan is trying to steal our salvation and one of the ways is through false philosophy or gnostic teachings that are designed to spoil us (Colossians 2:20-23). In this case the vain philosphers did not believe God would actually use a human body to live in as they believed a body was evil. Paul warns and teaches the opposite in the letters he sent making known the truths of the faith that Christ was the head of the body, the church which we are members of through Christ blood. Jesus who is the beginning the firstborn from the dead that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased God the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say whether things in the earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometimes alienated and enemies in your minds by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled. In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (Colossians 1:15-22).
As Christians we are not to willingly worship the creation of God whether those things are in heaven or in the earth. Angels are a creation of God and as believers we are not to be tricked by Satan into a willingly worshipping of angels we are forbidden and warned in scripture not to give ourselves over to worshipping angels as it is idolatry to do so thus we will be spoiled. None of the angels can reconcile our souls to God. We are not to let the philosophers of our day with their vain deceit beguile or trick us into worshipping idols willingly. Through the vain deceit of the philosophers they are intruding into those things which they have not seen as they worship the creation of God and not God Himself. But we know as believers that God is God and all that are seen or unseen with our eyes whether visible or invisable is the creation of God. There is only one true and living God the Creator of heaven and earth the man Jesus Christ and we must worship Him and him alone.
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Post by karanbac on May 2, 2018 18:03:19 GMT -5
Paul must have seen the beginning of what would eventually become common practice in Roman Catholicism. Worshippng angels some were already trying to begin that stuff. The spirit of anti Christ has been at work a long , long time . Amen, there is nothing new under the sun......flesh and religion really all the same and always has been. Ancient Rome was already doing it, deifying and worshiping their dead Caesars. Amen. I came from a Roman Catholic family and the Holy Spirit lead me out and I was born again at age 33. IT WAS A BIG DEAL!! Jesus totally changed my life and how I saw life, not thru secular worldview but through Gods biblical view! I have a passion for rccs as my siblings are still lost in it. I just left a forum as a rc complained that I was bashing the rcc. I quoted Adrian Rogers, when people see my compassion as an OBSESSION on their end, they are being convicted by the Holy Spirit and take their anger out on me. I had posted TRUTH only and yet the rc people complained as I had more than 10 posts on the subject. So I moved on shaking the dust from my feet. I am not any better than anyone. I’m just very blessed to have been born again by asking questions others in my family never would. I searched for HIS answers and He blessed me in my journey. R C Sproul is a wonderful teacher/preacher on youtube. I’m am saddened by his recent death but praise God that RC is my brother in Christ and we will meet later! I am viewing his Systematic Theology, which has A LOT OF MEAT in it! Blessings to all!
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