Cletus
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Post by Cletus on Mar 6, 2019 18:38:27 GMT -5
I just wanted to add that the, "great falling away" and I don't mean to offend anyone, but could it be that many will fall away when they see the great tribulation coming and thought they were not going to have to go through it so they think they believed in something false and get scared and turn from the faith? This is why it was repeated many times, HE THAT ENDURES TO THE END. If Jesus was going to take the believers away, why bother writing the Book of Revelation when we won't have to be here to know what is coming?? Does that make sense? Many of the lukewarm Christians will fall away when they see the hardships of the Great Tribulation coming, they were ill-prepared, they did not redeem the time, they did not buy themselves enough oil (Reading the Word and the Holy Spirit) to endure what is going to be a testing for the whole world. Many will fall away. The great apostasy. They will quit. They will not endure. They will give up their crown of life. They will take the Mark of the Beast and be lost forever. So like frienduff says, we gotta keep sounding the alaram and warning! Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
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Post by 4hizglory37 on Mar 6, 2019 19:21:00 GMT -5
I just wanted to add that the, "great falling away" and I don't mean to offend anyone, but could it be that many will fall away when they see the great tribulation coming and thought they were not going to have to go through it so they think they believed in something false and get scared and turn from the faith? This is why it was repeated many times, HE THAT ENDURES TO THE END. If Jesus was going to take the believers away, why bother writing the Book of Revelation when we won't have to be here to know what is coming?? Does that make sense? Many of the lukewarm Christians will fall away when they see the hardships of the Great Tribulation coming, they were ill-prepared, they did not redeem the time, they did not buy themselves enough oil (Reading the Word and the Holy Spirit) to endure what is going to be a testing for the whole world. Many will fall away. The great apostasy. They will quit. They will not endure. They will give up their crown of life. They will take the Mark of the Beast and be lost forever. So like frienduff says, we gotta keep sounding the alaram and warning! Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 16:12-15 Context 12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-7 King James Version (KJV)
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
We know the season and the times, we just don't know the day or the hour. We are commanded to be watching and being sober, so that the DAY of the Lord will not overtake us like a thief. It doesn't say days of the different comings of Jesus...it is ONE day, the SAME day when Christ comes to pour out His wrath upon the wicked, but we will be supernaturally protected from His wrath. Think of the blood on the doorposts of the Israelites when the angel of death came through Egypt. The Passover. Jesus' wrath will passover us because we will have the promise of the Holy Spirit and we have been cleansed with the Blood of the Lamb.
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Post by Giller on Mar 7, 2019 0:13:38 GMT -5
We must be ready for persecution at any given time, but there will be a rapture of the church, for the bible says so.
Which I believe in the pre tribulation rapture, and we will escape all those things which happen during the tribulation period, for Luke 21:36 shows us that.
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Post by Giller on Mar 7, 2019 0:42:35 GMT -5
There is more than one day.
1Th 5:1-9 (1) But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. (2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. (3) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (4) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (5) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. (6) Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. (7) For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. (8) But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. (9) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Now this day of the Lord coincides with the day mentioned in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 which speaks of the rapture, and notice in this chapter, it is not describing events that take place at the second coming, none at all, it is not mentioning his wrath being poured upon men here.
Now it mentions how God has not appointed us to wrath but that has nothing to do with the second coming, but rather we are not appointed to go through the wrath of God, which in this case I believe refers to the tribulation period wrath.
So there is the day of the Lord, the rapture.
Then there is the day of the Lord, the second coming.
Zec 14:1-3 (1) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. (2) For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. (3) Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
And here we actually see God's wrath being mentioned in the things it describes.
Then there is a totally different day of the Lord, which is not the rapture nor the second coming.
Here is the scripture:
2Pe 3:10-13 (10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (11) Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, (12) Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? (13) Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the second coming, and I will prove it.
When shall the heavens and the earth be burnt up?
Rev 20:11 (11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
This is when heaven and earth get burnt up, at the time of the great white throne of judgment, which there will be no place found for the earth and heaven, this has nothing to do with the second coming.
This is a third day of the Lord, which is the great white throne of judgment.
And here are other scriptures, that mentions the earth being passed away, and and new earth being made.
Rev 21:1 (1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
So to know what day of the Lord, it is talking about, you need to read the context of what it says, otherwise, you will just use scripture to just try and prove your point, and ignore context, and you will misuse the scriptures.
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Post by Giller on Mar 7, 2019 0:50:45 GMT -5
Anyhow I will try to get on track with the subject at hand.
Here is the scripture:
2Th 2:7 (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
I will get back in showing by scripture of what he who now letteth refers to.
I will just take some moment, in rereading things, and studying things out, and preparing my thoughts on the issue, but will eventually get back in mentioning it.
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Post by Giller on Mar 7, 2019 2:07:25 GMT -5
I am studying things through right now, and I am getting way better information than I thought, I mean really good, and good verses.
Which people will see it will all make sense.
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Post by Giller on Mar 7, 2019 10:28:32 GMT -5
1Th 5:1-9 (1) But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. (2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. (3) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (4) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (5) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. (6) Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. (7) For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. (8) But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. (9) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
The time of the second coming will not be a day, to were the cry is made of peace and safety, but rather it will be a time of chaos, it will be a time were world war 3 is about to begin, which is the battle of Armageddon, were nations will fight against each other, but then they will see Christ coming in the sky, and many will then want to fight with him, we see nothing of this in this passage.
Nor of Christ fighting against other nations.
This cry of peace and safety, is actually happening right now, were a peace agreement gets reached in Israel, then sudden destruction happens through a suicide bomber, or some type of calamity.
This is what is happening right now, which is just before the time of the rapture which can happen at any moment.
We are called to be watchful towards the coming of this day, to be spiritually sober, and of course physically sober.
And now we are not appointed to God's general wrath, but nor are we called to go through God's tribulation wrath, which we shall escape.
We shall be saved if we hold to the end, but we have to think about this, that if we hold on unto the end, which we will go to heaven, when the rapture comes, that will be the finishing touches to our salvation, we shall obtain the end of our salvation, which our corruptible bodies shall turn in to incorruptible bodies.
The purpose of the rapture is to accomplish the fullness of our salvation, which points to our bodies, going from corruption to in-corruption, but the purpose of the second coming is not this, but rather Christ will come and pour out his final wrath, before the millennial reign starts, upon unbelievers, and then he will start to reign on earth for 1000 years.
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Post by Giller on Mar 7, 2019 10:51:25 GMT -5
Now back to the main subject.
2Th 2:7-8 (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Now I will mention things, a bit at a time, to give people time to think upon things.
And often times God can give us an hint, already, in the actual chapter we are reading.
So in verse 7, it mentions an "he", so it has to be an he, and I know some think this may not be important, but I know that God does not mention things for nothing, he is a very specific God.
And after this "he" is taken out of the way, then shall the Antichrist be revealed in who he is.
Right now I will mention a kind of a hint.
What shall the Antichrist do?
Well we have the answer to this right in our chapter:
2Th 2:4 (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
But there are other things which shall have to be done, before the Antichrist can do this.
And in the book of Daniel, it actually mentions a specific "he".
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Post by Giller on Mar 7, 2019 12:09:20 GMT -5
2Th 2:7-8 (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:4 (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
There is nothing that gives us any hint, of "he" who now letteth, letting, until he be taken out of the way, referring to the rapture of the church.
It is assumed that it refers to this, because we will be taken out at the rapture, but there is no hint that it actually refers to this.
But concerning the Antichrist sitting in the temple, it shows us here that when he does, he will exalt himself above all that is called God, shewing himself that he is God.
And other scriptures actually shows us something and a someone that will be removed or taken out of the way at this very time, which will pave the way for the Antichrist to do this, which when he does, he gets revealed in who he is, somehow.
Some people will recognize that he is the Antichrist when he does this act of exalting himself above all gods, and maybe that is about the time someone will solve this riddle of the 666 pointing to a man, and we have to remember that when the rapture takes place, that is when the tribulation period begins, and the people on earth will be unbelievers, but near the beginning, and throughout the tribulation period, people will get saved of course.
It will be a time of great delusion, I think even more than we think.
There is great delusion now, but then it will be even worse.
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Post by John on Mar 8, 2019 8:14:15 GMT -5
2Th 2:7-8 (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2Th 2:4 (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. There is nothing that gives us any hint, of "he" who now letteth, letting, until he be taken out of the way, referring to the rapture of the church. It is assumed that it refers to this, because we will be taken out at the rapture, but there is no hint that it actually refers to this. But concerning the Antichrist sitting in the temple, it shows us here that when he does, he will exalt himself above all that is called God, shewing himself that he is God. And other scriptures actually shows us something and a someone that will be removed or taken out of the way at this very time, which will pave the way for the Antichrist to do this, which when he does, he gets revealed in who he is, somehow. Some people will recognize that he is the Antichrist when he does this act of exalting himself above all gods, and maybe that is about the time someone will solve this riddle of the 666 pointing to a man, and we have to remember that when the rapture takes place, that is when the tribulation period begins, and the people on earth will be unbelievers, but near the beginning, and throughout the tribulation period, people will get saved of course. It will be a time of great delusion, I think even more than we think. There is great delusion now, but then it will be even worse. Those left behind will be sinful Christians and unbelievers. Many will recognize what is happening and get saved, and many will die for their faith.
You think that which is hindering the anti-Christ from coming is an individual person?
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Post by Giller on Mar 8, 2019 8:50:56 GMT -5
2Th 2:7-8 (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2Th 2:4 (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. There is nothing that gives us any hint, of "he" who now letteth, letting, until he be taken out of the way, referring to the rapture of the church. It is assumed that it refers to this, because we will be taken out at the rapture, but there is no hint that it actually refers to this. But concerning the Antichrist sitting in the temple, it shows us here that when he does, he will exalt himself above all that is called God, shewing himself that he is God. And other scriptures actually shows us something and a someone that will be removed or taken out of the way at this very time, which will pave the way for the Antichrist to do this, which when he does, he gets revealed in who he is, somehow. Some people will recognize that he is the Antichrist when he does this act of exalting himself above all gods, and maybe that is about the time someone will solve this riddle of the 666 pointing to a man, and we have to remember that when the rapture takes place, that is when the tribulation period begins, and the people on earth will be unbelievers, but near the beginning, and throughout the tribulation period, people will get saved of course. It will be a time of great delusion, I think even more than we think. There is great delusion now, but then it will be even worse. Those left behind will be sinful Christians and unbelievers. Many will recognize what is happening and get saved, and many will die for their faith.
You think that which is hindering the anti-Christ from coming is an individual person?
I will get into that in a bit, with an actual scripture. 2Th 2:4 (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Now we know that at this point in time, the Antichrist will be in the temple, and will proclaim himself as God. Rev 13:6 (6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. He will blaspheme God's tabernacle. Rev 13:14 (14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And an image to the beast shall be made and put in the temple. But what shall occur, before these things are done? Before he proclaims himself as God, and erects his image? Dan 9:27 (27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. He will cause in the middle of the seven years, the sacrifices and the oblation to cease, so these things shall be taken out of the way, before the Antichrist proclaims himself as God in the temple. But as a result of these things being taken out of the way, it will result in another being taken out of the way, which will pave the way for the Antichrist, in doing what he will do, which is found in another scripture.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2019 14:26:27 GMT -5
Dan 8:11 (11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Here is a comment from Jimmy Swaggart on this scripture:
(Jimmy Swaggart)
(“Yes he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, “refers to the Antichrist usurping authority over the High Priest of Israel. These Verses actually speak of the war which will be instituted by the Antichrist when he breaks his seven-year Covenant with Israel and other countries, actually invading the” pleasant land.”
He will defeat Israel and stop the daily sacrifices, which will have been re-instituted by Israel after a lapse of approximately 2,000 years. This tells us that the Jewish Temple is going to be rebuilt.)
Now what I will say in a bit, I did not get it from Jimmy, or no one.
And here is my 2 cents on this scripture.
First of all the word “host” can mean, many things in the bible, it can mean a mass of persons, and it can mean other things as well, but one of the meanings of the word host, is service.
And you can know the meaning of the thing, by what the context speaks of.
What kind of service does it speak of in Daniel 8:11?
It is talking about temple service, such as the daily sacrifices; and who was the prince of this type of service? It was the high priest.
It says of the Antichrist that he would magnify himself even to the prince of the host, which seems that he will take over that position, and will get rid of the daily sacrifices, so if he gets rid of the daily sacrifices, and the oblations, and so on, what will happen? The priests and the high priest will be relieved of their duties, thus they shall be taken out of the way, they will no longer be in the way of the Antichrist.
Which very well could be that the high priest and the men that will be assigned to be Levitical priests, may have a type of resistance towards any man coming in the temple to proclaim themselves as a god, therefore the Antichrist has to get rid of them, before he can march into the temple, take over as high priest, and proclaim himself as God.
And then because of his act, it seems that it will trigger something inside of some people, and they will now see that this person in front of them is indeed the Antichrist, for that is when the Antichrist shall be revealed in who he is.
And at this time, may the time when the 666 riddle is solved.
2Th 2:6 (6) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
The Antichrist gets revealed in his time, and no other time.
2Th 2:4 (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
This is when he gets revealed in who he is.
2Th 2:7-8 (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
So who is the “he” who now letteth?
I believe it is this high priest, which is an “he”, which has to be taken out of the way.
Now concerning the mystery of iniquity, which is the spirit of antichrist, it was working in Paul’s day, so it was in operation, but concerning the “he” who now letteth, it does not say it was at work, or in operation, but rather it shows that he was hindering in Paul’s day, but hindering what, and how?
What was being hindered was the revealing of who the Antichrist is, so basically what was being hindered was the prophecy of the Antichrist being revealed, coming to pass.
So it is obvious that the “he” if it refers to and end time high priest, it was said in a figurative way.
So “he” the high priest was hindering in Paul’s day, the prophecy of the Antichrist being revealed, from coming to pass.
Why was he hindering that prophecy from coming to pass in Paul’s day?
Because he was not yet alive in Paul’s day, and in order for the prophecy of the revealing of the Antichrist to come to pass, he had to be alive.
And on top of that, he also had to be taken out of the way, but taken out of the way, when?
In the Antichrist’s time, and not in Paul’s time.
And the only way for “he” to be taken out of the way, was for him to first be alive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 18:08:27 GMT -5
Dan 8:11 (11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. Here is a comment from Jimmy Swaggart on this scripture: (Jimmy Swaggart)
(“Yes he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, “refers to the Antichrist usurping authority over the High Priest of Israel. These Verses actually speak of the war which will be instituted by the Antichrist when he breaks his seven-year Covenant with Israel and other countries, actually invading the” pleasant land.”
He will defeat Israel and stop the daily sacrifices, which will have been re-instituted by Israel after a lapse of approximately 2,000 years. This tells us that the Jewish Temple is going to be rebuilt.)Now what I will say in a bit, I did not get it from Jimmy, or no one. And here is my 2 cents on this scripture. First of all the word “ host” can mean, many things in the bible, it can mean a mass of persons, and it can mean other things as well, but one of the meanings of the word host, is service. And you can know the meaning of the thing, by what the context speaks of. What kind of service does it speak of in Daniel 8:11? It is talking about temple service, such as the daily sacrifices; and who was the prince of this type of service? It was the high priest. It says of the Antichrist that he would magnify himself even to the prince of the host, which seems that he will take over that position, and will get rid of the daily sacrifices, so if he gets rid of the daily sacrifices, and the oblations, and so on, what will happen? The priests and the high priest will be relieved of their duties, thus they shall be taken out of the way, they will no longer be in the way of the Antichrist. Which very well could be that the high priest and the men that will be assigned to be Levitical priests, may have a type of resistance towards any man coming in the temple to proclaim themselves as a god, therefore the Antichrist has to get rid of them, before he can march into the temple, take over as high priest, and proclaim himself as God. And then because of his act, it seems that it will trigger something inside of some people, and they will now see that this person in front of them is indeed the Antichrist, for that is when the Antichrist shall be revealed in who he is. And at this time, may the time when the 666 riddle is solved. 2Th 2:6 (6) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. The Antichrist gets revealed in his time, and no other time. 2Th 2:4 (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. This is when he gets revealed in who he is. 2Th 2:7-8 (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: So who is the “he” who now letteth? I believe it is this high priest, which is an “he”, which has to be taken out of the way. Now concerning the mystery of iniquity, which is the spirit of antichrist, it was working in Paul’s day, so it was in operation, but concerning the “he” who now letteth, it does not say it was at work, or in operation, but rather it shows that he was hindering in Paul’s day, but hindering what, and how? What was being hindered was the revealing of who the Antichrist is, so basically what was being hindered was the prophecy of the Antichrist being revealed, coming to pass. So it is obvious that the “he” if it refers to and end time high priest, it was said in a figurative way. So “he” the high priest was hindering in Paul’s day, the prophecy of the Antichrist being revealed, from coming to pass. Why was he hindering that prophecy from coming to pass in Paul’s day? Because he was not yet alive in Paul’s day, and in order for the prophecy of the revealing of the Antichrist to come to pass, he had to be alive. And on top of that, he also had to be taken out of the way, but taken out of the way, when? In the Antichrist’s time, and not in Paul’s time. And the only way for “he” to be taken out of the way, was for him to first be alive. Does God still raise up prophets to warn about the Anti-christ?
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Post by frienduff on Mar 9, 2019 18:55:08 GMT -5
2Th 2:7-8 (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2Th 2:4 (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. There is nothing that gives us any hint, of "he" who now letteth, letting, until he be taken out of the way, referring to the rapture of the church. It is assumed that it refers to this, because we will be taken out at the rapture, but there is no hint that it actually refers to this. But concerning the Antichrist sitting in the temple, it shows us here that when he does, he will exalt himself above all that is called God, shewing himself that he is God. And other scriptures actually shows us something and a someone that will be removed or taken out of the way at this very time, which will pave the way for the Antichrist to do this, which when he does, he gets revealed in who he is, somehow. Some people will recognize that he is the Antichrist when he does this act of exalting himself above all gods, and maybe that is about the time someone will solve this riddle of the 666 pointing to a man, and we have to remember that when the rapture takes place, that is when the tribulation period begins, and the people on earth will be unbelievers, but near the beginning, and throughout the tribulation period, people will get saved of course. It will be a time of great delusion, I think even more than we think. There is great delusion now, but then it will be even worse. Those left behind will be sinful Christians and unbelievers. Many will recognize what is happening and get saved, and many will die for their faith.
You think that which is hindering the anti-Christ from coming is an individual person?
Brace yourselves and have no fear . The delusion of the all inclusion is increasing . LEARN Christ only more , learn the pattern only more , Get grounded , get built up . The delusion will take all not in the lambs book of life . Be ware and be on guard lest any be caught up with the error of the wicked and fall from their own steadfastness. And be prepared to be all out hated , mocked and called even monsters of humanity as they cart many of us off as being mental , not fit for society Many saints will be flat out killed in the days ahead , the early church and all generations since have had true ones killed for their faith , But in this last generation , Such a world wide number of killed saints will occur . GET BUILT up and prepared NOW to die and lose everything for Christ . Because when this delusion has ran its course , it wont be just harsh words spoken against us , it wont just be a few court cases against us , IT WILL BE OUR BETRYAL and many will be killed . PUT on the whole armour of the LORD and let the fearful be afraid NO MORE . Let us count it JOY when we suffer for Him , let us rejoice in prison or even at the hour of our death . ITS COMING , my friends , and not all the prayers and hopes of the whole world WILL STOP IT . ITS BEEN DETERMINED , ITS JUDGMENT Let the lambs be faithful unto the end . This spirit , this spirit that leads to the delusion , its present amongst us even now . WE BETTER be on guard . Its highly sensual . And if any has hopes in any other THAN THE LORD , they gonna buy the lie in the days ahead . Armour up , to die for Christ is only gain , to suffer for him is only gain To live for Him is only gain . To follow and obey HIM is only gain . And count the cost , for its going to cost us all . SO BE IT . HANDS UP AND HOLLER PRAISES to the LORD . No fear of man , no fear to suffer , no fear of death , FOR IMMANUEL , the LORD IS WITH US and shall be with us till the end . Hands up and praise the LORD . But be on guard , I am catching a spirit and I am NOT at all liking what I am seeing . I will watch , but it continues it must be dealt with . Its not gone my friend , its here . Spiritual discernment IS Real . Something is off . Its just off my friend . Watch for it .
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Post by Giller on Mar 10, 2019 9:00:22 GMT -5
The falling away that is happening right now, is preparing people to receive the Antichrist, which will eventually lead to the Antichrist finally revealing himself through exalting himself as God in the temple, thus in this action, some people will finally recognize this person as being the Antichrist, for he shall be revealed in who he is.
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