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Post by John on Mar 13, 2019 17:23:40 GMT -5
Doesn't the Anti-christ also say he's the 1, though? We can use the example of this thread:
God made men.
Then Satan wants to make men to be women, or man and woman at the same time.
Or we can make another example:
Men marries women.
Then Satan wants to make men marry with men or with men and women.
He is always against God.
"He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad." - Matthew 12:30
"For God is not the author of confusion but of peace..." - 1 Corinthians 14:33 Yes. Satan seeks to undermine God.
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Post by John on Mar 13, 2019 17:26:54 GMT -5
We can use the example of this thread:
God made men.
Then Satan wants to make men to be women, or man and woman at the same time.
Or we can make another example:
Men marries women.
Then Satan wants to make men marry with men or with men and women.
He is always against God.
"He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad." - Matthew 12:30
"For God is not the author of confusion but of peace..." - 1 Corinthians 14:33 Or Satan makes the church idolize the appearance of healthy marriages over the reality --- abuse. The way to God's blessings in marriage or anywhere is to obey his instructions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 17:27:55 GMT -5
We can use the example of this thread:
God made men.
Then Satan wants to make men to be women, or man and woman at the same time.
Or we can make another example:
Men marries women.
Then Satan wants to make men marry with men or with men and women.
He is always against God.
"He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad." - Matthew 12:30
"For God is not the author of confusion but of peace..." - 1 Corinthians 14:33 Yes. Satan seeks to undermine God.
Well, I am not unaware of his schemes. Only the Lord can have all of me--- husband or no husband.
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Post by Sister on Mar 13, 2019 18:05:48 GMT -5
God made Eve two fig leaves to cover herself. Just think about that, fig leaves!
In the old days, men wore robes and if you compare that to today, they look like dresses in my opinion.
Where I live, in the evenings it gets very windy, even sometimes in the day. I wouldn't like the wind blowing my skirt or dress up whilst my hands are full of shopping bags. I wear pants also, but I don't dress or look like a man. We dress here according to the weather. In the winter it's very cold, and in the summer it's very hot. I would hate to think that somebody is judging me according to what I wear, because God is working on the inside. I have dresses, skirts, pants, shirts and singlets. I am always in the garden and I often run to and fro to the nursery covered in dirt head to toe. I do not care what people think, I am a hard worker and I don't like overheating. You cannot garden in a long skirt or dress, we dress for the weather, and we don't look like prostitutes, there's a difference. Use discernment. It's the inside God cares about, and what comes out of our mouths. God gave Eve fig leaves and we've come a long way from there.
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Post by John on Mar 13, 2019 18:20:06 GMT -5
God made Eve two fig leaves to cover herself. Just think about that, fig leaves! In the old days, men wore robes and if you compare that to today, they look like dresses in my opinion. Where I live, in the evenings it gets very windy, even sometimes in the day. I wouldn't like the wind blowing my skirt or dress up whilst my hands are full of shopping bags. I wear pants also, but I don't dress or look like a man. We dress here according to the weather. In the winter it's very cold, and in the summer it's very hot. I would hate to think that somebody is judging me according to what I wear, because God is working on the inside. I have dresses, skirts, pants, shirts and singlets. I am always in the garden and I often run to and fro to the nursery covered in dirt head to toe. I do not care what people think, I am a hard worker and I don't like overheating. You cannot garden in a long skirt or dress, we dress for the weather, and we don't look like prostitutes, there's a difference. Use discernment. It's the inside God cares about, and what comes out of our mouths. God gave Eve fig leaves and we've come a long way from there.
If it was true that what we wear doesn't matter, God wouldn't tell guys not to wear clothing that is soft or feminine. Deuteronomy 22:5 wouldn't say that women are not to wear that which pertains to a man. I don't care if a robe looks sort of like a dress, it is not a dress. If you go to the store and ask for a robe, they won't mix that up with a dress. It is not true that a woman can't do gardening in a dress. Amish women do it all the time. And even if it were true, which it is not, women generally just use such things like that as an excuse. If it were out of necessity, they would wear a dress whenever possible, and only wear pants when there was no other option. It is also possible for a woman to wear leggings or something like that under a dress. The fact of the matter is, this is all about choices women are making, not necessity, and I am using discernment.
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Post by John on Mar 13, 2019 18:42:41 GMT -5
By the way, God didn't cover Adam and Eve with fig leaves. That was how they attempted to cover their own nakedness. Genesis 3:21
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Many believe that the coats of skins were important in that it takes the shedding of blood to have forgiveness of sin, and skins come from an animal. That means an animal died to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 19:36:10 GMT -5
I feel like skirts and dresses on women....I'll just say it.
The Father, Son, and Spirit prefer women look feminine, as it reflects a certain heart posture in the soul.
A quiet and gentle Spirit which is of great value in God's sight.
However, in unsafe situations or situstions where, for example, s woman has to work to feed her children and it'd compromise her job to demand the right to work in a skirt--- I feel that the Father has a soft heart for righteous women in these situations.
There are even times when I think women wearing pants are the most appropriate and modest option.
For example, working around fire, a loose skirt might be a fire hazard.
That being said, as women are hearts are to remain soft and amenable at all times.
The things women wear for modesty - they're only beautiful in God's sight if they are an outer reflection of an inward reality --- obedience and submission to The Lord's authority.
Another example --- I'm married by law.
So when I interact with a man who's not my husband, I often think to myself, "Naominash, the veil must be in your heart."
Because I can't wear a wedding veil at McDonald's.
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Post by John on Mar 13, 2019 19:52:13 GMT -5
I feel like skirts and dresses on women....I'll just say it. The Father, Son, and Spirit prefer women look feminine, as it reflects a certain heart posture in the soul. A quiet and gentle Spirit which is of great value in God's sight. However, in unsafe situations or situstions where, for example, s woman has to work to feed her children and it'd compromise her job to demand the right to work in a skirt--- I feel that the Father has a soft heart for righteous women in these situations. There are even times when I think women wearing pants are the most appropriate and modest option. For example, working around fire, a loose skirt might be a fire hazard. That being said, as women are hearts are to remain soft and amenable at all times. The things women wear for modesty - they're only beautiful in God's sight if they are an outer reflection of an inward reality --- obedience and submission to The Lord's authority. Another example --- I'm married by law. So when I interact with a man who's not my husband, I often think to myself, "Naominash, the veil must be in your heart." Because I can't wear a wedding veil at McDonald's. You make good points. I know a woman that worked as a welder, and a dress would be unsafe. Then there is the case where I once met a holiness woman who wore dresses and skirts to work all the time, but there was this very muddy parking area where she had to sometimes go out to give messages to truckers. Rather than get her nice clothes ruined, she would thrown on overalls in those situations, and then take them off when she went back inside and have her nice dress or skirt on in the office. Jesus spoke about exceptions to things, like when an animal fell into a pit on the Sabbath Day. God understands things like that. What if a fire occurred and it was either a woman throw on a pair of men's pants to cover her nakedness or nothing, or all a man could grab was a dress? Obviously, that is better than going uncovered, but what I have found is people use these arguments about extreme cases to justify cross dressing all the time. You would think all women do all day is climb ladders, walk on scaffolds or climb telephone poles!
Today, I will hear women claim they can't even wear a dress to church for modesty reasons. What if they are slain in the Spirit? It is funny how these things were not a big deal in the past. Being a Pentecostal, I am used to seeing this happen a lot, and we used to have these little cloth things at the front of the church to place on women's legs if they fell out like that. No big deal. Now, they can't possibly do it. It is just excuses.
I have told this story before, but I once got a solicitation from Concerned Women For America. They were trying to raise money to oppose a book promoting cross-dressing among little boys. There was a book called "Jessie's Dream Skirt" in the schools, about a little boy who was more comfortable wearing skirts that whirled and twirled than pants. One day his Mother made him his own skirt. He wore it to school, and the other kids made fun of him, until a little girl spoke up and said that she wears pants, why shouldn't he wear a skirt? As I said before, out of the mouth of babes! There is no difference, yet these concerned women knew instinctively the little boy was cross-dressing, even though the skirt was made for him. Based on what most women say who defend wearing pants they buy in the women's section, that should make it a boy's skirt, even if it made him look effeminate. They will see that with boys but not with girls because they don't want to see it. I wrote them a letter and said I would send them money if they would come as aggressively against women in pants as boys in a skirt, and I never heard back from them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 20:03:03 GMT -5
I feel like skirts and dresses on women....I'll just say it. The Father, Son, and Spirit prefer women look feminine, as it reflects a certain heart posture in the soul. A quiet and gentle Spirit which is of great value in God's sight. However, in unsafe situations or situstions where, for example, s woman has to work to feed her children and it'd compromise her job to demand the right to work in a skirt--- I feel that the Father has a soft heart for righteous women in these situations. There are even times when I think women wearing pants are the most appropriate and modest option. For example, working around fire, a loose skirt might be a fire hazard. That being said, as women are hearts are to remain soft and amenable at all times. The things women wear for modesty - they're only beautiful in God's sight if they are an outer reflection of an inward reality --- obedience and submission to The Lord's authority. Another example --- I'm married by law. So when I interact with a man who's not my husband, I often think to myself, "Naominash, the veil must be in your heart." Because I can't wear a wedding veil at McDonald's. You make good points. I know a woman that worked as a welder, and a dress would be unsafe. Then there is the case where I once met a holiness woman who wore dresses and skirts to work all the time, but there was this very muddy parking area where she had to sometimes go out to give messages to truckers. Rather than get her nice clothes ruined, she would thrown on overalls in those situations, and then take them off when she went back inside and have her nice dress or skirt on in the office. Jesus spoke about exceptions to things, like when an animal fell into a pit on the Sabbath Day. God understands things like that. What if a fire occurred and it was either a woman throw on a pair of men's pants to cover her nakedness or nothing, or all a man could grab was a dress? Obviously, that is better than going uncovered, but what I have found is people use these arguments about extreme cases to justify cross dressing all the time. You would think all women do all day is climb ladders, walk on scaffolds or climb telephone poles!
Today, I will hear women claim they can't even wear a dress to church for modesty reasons. What if they are slain in the Spirit? It is funny how these things were not a big deal in the past. Being a Pentecostal, I am used to seeing this happen a lot, and we used to have these little cloth things at the front of the church to place on women's legs if they fell out like that. No big deal. Now, they can't possibly do it. It is just excuses.
I have told this story before, but I once got a solicitation from Concerned Women For America. They were trying to raise money to oppose a book promoting cross-dressing among little boys. There was a book called "Jessie's Dream Skirt" in the schools, about a little boy who was more comfortable wearing skirts that whirled and twirled than pants. One day his Mother made him his own skirt. He wore it to school, and the other kids made fun of him, until a little girl spoke up and said that she wears pants, why shouldn't he wear a skirt? As I said before, out of the mouth of babes! There is no difference, yet these concerned women knew instinctively the little boy was cross-dressing, even though the skirt was made for him. Based on what most women say who defend wearing pants they buy in the women's section, that should make it a boy's skirt, even if it made him look effeminate. They will see that with boys but not with girls because they don't want to see it. I wrote them a letter and said I would send them money if they would come as aggressively against women in pants as boys in a skirt, and I never heard back from them.
I do feel different when I wear skirts and dresses. I feel more attractive! I saw two Mennonite couples on the pier the other day and the women looked elegant and regal. But I don't want to attract attention in every situation, like on the city bus... Sometimes I feel safer "uglifying" myself and blending in. It's tricky on my conscience these days. When I was with the that Pentecostal cult, all I wore we're skirts and dresses. But the meanest women seemed to be the ones that most strictly enforced this rule. I'm like, what good is that long skirt if you're mean as a snake? For all that, I'd rather wear my pants sometimes and not act all snooty.
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Post by Cletus on Mar 13, 2019 21:09:42 GMT -5
i think a big part of it is when a man tries to be feminine or a woman tries to be masculine. thats where Gods order is perverted. and that is a glimpse of whats going on the inside of someones heart. I do not think there should be a dress code, but there are somethings thats off limits. everyone has different parameters on where those limits lay. some do not think women should wear pants ever. to me its ok if they are not trying to look like a man and they do make pants for women that are feminine... AND modest. take for instance the scripture its a shame for a man to have long hair... well, whats long? men in biblical days wore their hair longer than most do today. I used to have hair that was considered long, i guess. it was to the middle of my chest. the hair style was a mohawk but i didnt spike it up i let it hang. to me a mans hair isnt long at this length. if it was way down the back like to your waist, to me this is long and thats my idea of a womans hair... like the 80's rock bands... thats long hair for a man to me. i keep my hair cut military style now. high and tight. but anyway i was close to God then. nothing condemned me in my heart. i do not think i would grow it back that long again but only because i have become accustomed to short hair. here is something to consider concerning the title of this thread Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
women want to rule from a fallen antichrist spirit influenced world/nature. the enemy perverts everything pertaining to God.
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Post by John on Mar 13, 2019 21:18:50 GMT -5
You make good points. I know a woman that worked as a welder, and a dress would be unsafe. Then there is the case where I once met a holiness woman who wore dresses and skirts to work all the time, but there was this very muddy parking area where she had to sometimes go out to give messages to truckers. Rather than get her nice clothes ruined, she would thrown on overalls in those situations, and then take them off when she went back inside and have her nice dress or skirt on in the office. Jesus spoke about exceptions to things, like when an animal fell into a pit on the Sabbath Day. God understands things like that. What if a fire occurred and it was either a woman throw on a pair of men's pants to cover her nakedness or nothing, or all a man could grab was a dress? Obviously, that is better than going uncovered, but what I have found is people use these arguments about extreme cases to justify cross dressing all the time. You would think all women do all day is climb ladders, walk on scaffolds or climb telephone poles!
Today, I will hear women claim they can't even wear a dress to church for modesty reasons. What if they are slain in the Spirit? It is funny how these things were not a big deal in the past. Being a Pentecostal, I am used to seeing this happen a lot, and we used to have these little cloth things at the front of the church to place on women's legs if they fell out like that. No big deal. Now, they can't possibly do it. It is just excuses.
I have told this story before, but I once got a solicitation from Concerned Women For America. They were trying to raise money to oppose a book promoting cross-dressing among little boys. There was a book called "Jessie's Dream Skirt" in the schools, about a little boy who was more comfortable wearing skirts that whirled and twirled than pants. One day his Mother made him his own skirt. He wore it to school, and the other kids made fun of him, until a little girl spoke up and said that she wears pants, why shouldn't he wear a skirt? As I said before, out of the mouth of babes! There is no difference, yet these concerned women knew instinctively the little boy was cross-dressing, even though the skirt was made for him. Based on what most women say who defend wearing pants they buy in the women's section, that should make it a boy's skirt, even if it made him look effeminate. They will see that with boys but not with girls because they don't want to see it. I wrote them a letter and said I would send them money if they would come as aggressively against women in pants as boys in a skirt, and I never heard back from them.
I do feel different when I wear skirts and dresses. I feel more attractive! I saw two Mennonite couples on the pier the other day and the women looked elegant and regal. But I don't want to attract attention in every situation, like on the city bus... Sometimes I feel safer "uglifying" myself and blending in. It's tricky on my conscience these days. When I was with the that Pentecostal cult, all I wore we're skirts and dresses. But the meanest women seemed to be the ones that most strictly enforced this rule. I'm like, what good is that long skirt if you're mean as a snake? For all that, I'd rather wear my pants sometimes and not act all snooty. I don't see it as snooty, but being a light in a world of darkness. I mean, would most women like it if their husband wanted to go around wearing a flowery skirt or house dress every so often so as not to be snooty? I never understood that. To me, pants pertain to a man, and a dress pertains to a woman. That is why you have those symbols to indicate the men's and women's restroom. Which pertains to who? I won't even listen to women complain about cross dressing men if they wear pants. That is why I had an issue with Concerned Women For America, though they were right about what the book was promoting.
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Post by John on Mar 13, 2019 21:22:22 GMT -5
i think a big part of it is when a man tries to be feminine or a woman tries to be masculine. thats where Gods order is perverted. and that is a glimpse of whats going on the inside of someones heart. I do not think there should be a dress code, but there are somethings thats off limits. everyone has different parameters on where those limits lay. some do not think women should wear pants ever. to me its ok if they are not trying to look like a man and they do make pants for women that are feminine... AND modest. take for instance the scripture its a shame for a man to have long hair... well, whats long? men in biblical days wore their hair longer than most do today. I used to have hair that was considered long, i guess. it was to the middle of my chest. the hair style was a mohawk but i didnt spike it up i let it hang. to me a mans hair isnt long at this length. if it was way down the back like to your waist, to me this is long and thats my idea of a womans hair... like the 80's rock bands... thats long hair for a man to me. i keep my hair cut military style now. high and tight. but anyway i was close to God then. nothing condemned me in my heart. i do not think i would grow it back that long again but only because i have become accustomed to short hair. here is something to consider concerning the title of this thread Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
women want to rule from a fallen antichrist spirit influenced world/nature. the enemy perverts everything pertaining to God.
Nobody really knows how long your average man's hair was in Bible times in Israel. There are pictures they claim to be Jesus, but nobody really knows what he looked like. The way I see the hair length issue, it is a New Testament teaching, so it should matter to everyone. If I was having to describe a man to a sketch artist, and he asked about his hair, I would be able to tell him if it was long or short or shoulder length, which is somewhere in between, like lukewarm. People know it when they see it.
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Post by Sister on Mar 14, 2019 11:06:49 GMT -5
By the way, God didn't cover Adam and Eve with fig leaves. That was how they attempted to cover their own nakedness. Genesis 3:21
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Many believe that the coats of skins were important in that it takes the shedding of blood to have forgiveness of sin, and skins come from an animal. That means an animal died to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve.
Yes that's true. My mistake. Got it mixed up.
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Post by Sister on Mar 14, 2019 11:31:05 GMT -5
God made Eve two fig leaves to cover herself. Just think about that, fig leaves! In the old days, men wore robes and if you compare that to today, they look like dresses in my opinion. Where I live, in the evenings it gets very windy, even sometimes in the day. I wouldn't like the wind blowing my skirt or dress up whilst my hands are full of shopping bags. I wear pants also, but I don't dress or look like a man. We dress here according to the weather. In the winter it's very cold, and in the summer it's very hot. I would hate to think that somebody is judging me according to what I wear, because God is working on the inside. I have dresses, skirts, pants, shirts and singlets. I am always in the garden and I often run to and fro to the nursery covered in dirt head to toe. I do not care what people think, I am a hard worker and I don't like overheating. You cannot garden in a long skirt or dress, we dress for the weather, and we don't look like prostitutes, there's a difference. Use discernment. It's the inside God cares about, and what comes out of our mouths. God gave Eve fig leaves and we've come a long way from there.
If it was true that what we wear doesn't matter, God wouldn't tell guys not to wear clothing that is soft or feminine. Deuteronomy 22:5 wouldn't say that women are not to wear that which pertains to a man. I don't care if a robe looks sort of like a dress, it is not a dress. If you go to the store and ask for a robe, they won't mix that up with a dress. It is not true that a woman can't do gardening in a dress. Amish women do it all the time. And even if it were true, which it is not, women generally just use such things like that as an excuse. If it were out of necessity, they would wear a dress whenever possible, and only wear pants when there was no other option. It is also possible for a woman to wear leggings or something like that under a dress. The fact of the matter is, this is all about choices women are making, not necessity, and I am using discernment.
The old testament is according to the letter, the new testament is according to the heart. Clothing is clothing, and it's to cover our nakedness. There are women's pants, and men's pants. Women's shirts and men's shirts, women's shorts and men's short etc, etc. There's the women's department and the men's department for clothes. I can tell when a woman is wearing men's clothes and visa versa. A woman cannot dress like a man to look like a man and a man cannot dress like a woman to look like a woman. The outside of the cup can always look good and holy, but outside appearances can also deceive, God is mainly concerned with the inside of the cup. I think there is a difference in what I just explained, and for the church to tell a woman that she cannot wear pants is placing unnecessary burdens on her, plus I am not Amish.
If we were to go by the letter of the Old Testament, then men should be wearing robes, because that's what a man wore back then. Whatever our clothing, God likes us to keep it modest. Not too fancy, and it should not be too revealing in my opinion for a woman. A woman wearing a dress can also have more appeal for a man, and can turn a lot of heads, so therefore may catch his eye more than a woman wearing jeans or slacks. I do get what you are saying, but clothing styles have changed a lot since the past, and whatever we wear, God knows our intent whether we wear it to impress, entice or wear whatever out of necessity or comfort and that's all that matters. If the bible stated dresses for women and pants for men, I wouldn't argue, but it doesn't state specifically, only that each gender should not try to look like the other. My husband does not borrow my clothes, because he knows that it's women's clothing. If he wore my tshirt, or slacks, the boys would laugh at him because they know it's girl's clothing. Not that he'd fit into it, but just saying if he could all would know something's not right.
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Post by John on Mar 14, 2019 11:53:34 GMT -5
If it was true that what we wear doesn't matter, God wouldn't tell guys not to wear clothing that is soft or feminine. Deuteronomy 22:5 wouldn't say that women are not to wear that which pertains to a man. I don't care if a robe looks sort of like a dress, it is not a dress. If you go to the store and ask for a robe, they won't mix that up with a dress. It is not true that a woman can't do gardening in a dress. Amish women do it all the time. And even if it were true, which it is not, women generally just use such things like that as an excuse. If it were out of necessity, they would wear a dress whenever possible, and only wear pants when there was no other option. It is also possible for a woman to wear leggings or something like that under a dress. The fact of the matter is, this is all about choices women are making, not necessity, and I am using discernment.
The old testament is according to the letter, the new testament is according to the heart. Clothing is clothing, and it's to cover our nakedness. There are women's pants, and men's pants. Women's shirts and men's shirts, women's shorts and men's short etc, etc. There's the women's department and the men's department for clothes. I can tell when a woman is wearing men's clothes and visa versa. A woman cannot dress like a man to look like a man and a man cannot dress like a woman to look like a woman. The outside of the cup can always look good and holy, but outside appearances can also deceive, God is mainly concerned with the inside of the cup. I think there is a difference in what I just explained, and for the church to tell a woman that she cannot wear pants is placing unnecessary burdens on her, plus I am not Amish.
If we were to go by the letter of the Old Testament, then men should be wearing robes, because that's what a man wore back then. Whatever our clothing, God likes us to keep it modest. Not too fancy, and it should not be too revealing in my opinion for a woman. A woman wearing a dress can also have more appeal for a man, and can turn a lot of heads, so therefore may catch his eye more than a woman wearing jeans or slacks. I do get what you are saying, but clothing styles have changed a lot since the past, and whatever we wear, God knows our intent whether we wear it to impress, entice or wear whatever out of necessity or comfort and that's all that matters. If the bible stated dresses for women and pants for men, I wouldn't argue, but it doesn't state specifically, only that each gender should not try to look like the other. My husband does not borrow my clothes, because he knows that it's women's clothing. If he wore my tshirt, or slacks, the boys would laugh at him because they know it's girl's clothing. Not that he'd fit into it, but just saying if he could all would know something's not right.
The word effeminate in 1 Corinthians 6 of the New Testament shows God wants men to wear masculine clothing. It shows God still cares about such things. Women wear pants sold to men all the time. It is so common, on Family Feud, husband says to wife, "If you are gonna wear my jeans, I am gonna wear your blank." I met a man in California that was wearing pants that belonged to his girlfriend and he said nobody could tell. The Old Testament never said all must wear robes, so that was never the letter of the law. On the other hand, dresses pertain to a woman and pants to a man. That is why Concerned Women were bothered over a skirt that made a boy look effeminate, even though it was designed to fit a boy. They still see it as cross dressing, but can't see how hypocritical they are if they wear pants.
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