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Post by Sister on Mar 23, 2019 1:27:57 GMT -5
Luke 12:22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
Luke 12:23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
Man says consider what you will put on?
Luke 12:24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?
Luke 12:25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?
Luke 12:26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
In other words why are ye worrying about the carnal,....the material? The "least" we can do is worry about the spiritual.
Luke 12:27 Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Luke 12:28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
Luke 12:30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
Luke 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Those scriptures aren't saying what we wear doesn't matter, anymore than they are saying what we eat doesn't matter. They are only saying God will provide, so we don't need to worry. Yes, he will provide. The real clothing he wants us to wear is the white robe. Righteousness. A representation of what's going on in the heart - that spiritual garment. This is the one that will cover our nakedness, and when the spirit is speaking, this is the type of clothing that God truly wants us to put on.
All this talk about men not wearing women's clothes, and visa versa is because God knew from the beginning about this trans-gender agenda. We can judge whether this is right or wrong according to God's word, and not because man deceives us and says that they were born in the wrong body. It has more to do with the spirit inside than what they are wearing. Transgender male to female also wear slacks but their appearance is of a woman, because it's women's slacks they are putting on, with the female shirt as well and all the accessories like make-up, jewellery and shoes.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Mar 23, 2019 7:32:16 GMT -5
It has more to do with the spirit inside than what they are wearing.
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." - John 7:24
"I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings." - Jeremiah 17:10
"Keep your heart with all diligence, For out of it spring the issues of life." - Proverbs 4:23
"...Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?" - Matthew 6:25
"...For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." - 1 Samuel 16:7
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2019 13:40:38 GMT -5
[ font size="2"]Those scriptures aren't saying what we wear doesn't matter, anymore than they are saying what we eat doesn't matter. They are only saying God will provide, so we don't need to worry. [/font][/quote] Yes, he will provide. The real clothing he wants us to wear is the white robe. Righteousness. A representation of what's going on in the heart - that spiritual garment. This is the one that will cover our nakedness, and when the spirit is speaking, this is the type of clothing that God truly wants us to put on. All this talk about men not wearing women's clothes, and visa versa is because God knew from the beginning about this trans-gender agenda. We can judge whether this is right or wrong according to God's word, and not because man deceives us and says that they were born in the wrong body. It has more to do with the spirit inside than what they are wearing. Transgender male to female also wear slacks but their appearance is of a woman, because it's women's slacks they are putting on, with the female shirt as well and all the accessories like make-up, jewellery and shoes.
[/quote] When you see women wearing the exact same style jeans and sweat shirt that a man would wear, she is wearing masculine style clothing. It doesn't matter if she is intending to look like a man, she is still wearing what pertains to a man. In today's society, a woman can wear anything, no matter how feminine or masculine it may be and it is acceptable, but when it comes to men, they are expected to dress in masculine style clothes. Make-up and jewelry is not required to dress feminine. If a man puts on a housedress, he will look feminine in his apparel.
As recently as just a few years ago, there was a law in Paris, France on the books that if women wanted to dress like men, they had to have a permit, and slacks or pants of any kind was considered dressing like a man. I doubt the law was enforced, but it was on the books, and it is still illegal in Tuscon, AZ. These laws stand as reminders that there was a time when everyone knew that pants pertain to men and dresses to women. The universal bathroom symbols also serve as a reminder of this. Of course, there are still some churches that will stand up for this truth, like the Apostolic congregations, and conservative Menonites and Independent Baptists.
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Post by Sister on Mar 23, 2019 21:33:08 GMT -5
Hi Butero
But men did not wear pants back in the old days. They were robes with sashes, and in some cultures skirts. They also wore stockings. This was men's attire and I think the women dressed the same. Plus every culture had their dress style and this has changed throughout the ages.
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2019 21:50:52 GMT -5
Hi Butero But men did not wear pants back in the old days. They were robes with sashes, and in some cultures skirts. They also wore stockings. This was men's attire and I think the women dressed the same. Plus every culture had their dress style and this has changed throughout the ages.
Pants for men go back much further than most realize. The priests wore breeches under their robes in Old Testament times. Men never wore skirts like women wear. Kilts are a unique garment that was always pertaining to a man, and those men who wear them will quickly deny they are skirts. The issue isn't skirts per say, but dresses and pants. Dresses have always pertained to women and pants to men. Men never wore stockings like women do today. Socks were once called stockings. Stockings like women wear weren't even invented till around the time of World War 2, and they were never worn by men. I have investigated every argument the web-sites use to defend women in pants.
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Post by ladypeartree on Mar 25, 2019 5:36:31 GMT -5
hmmm have you seen what the ceremonial guards wear at the Vatican ?
look at the clothing of ancient Greeks
Do I agree with women not wearing trousers? well from the time I was a teen till very very recently ( like 18 months ago ) I wore nothing but skirts and dresses but have for the past two winters worn trousers as the cold wind made my artificial knee so painful I couldn't walk as it blew under my dresses but to see some of the so called fashion just makes me laugh as they look so ridiculous
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Post by ladypeartree on Mar 25, 2019 7:58:55 GMT -5
oh but because I don't like tight clothes anyway I always wear very long tops over trousers
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Post by John on Mar 25, 2019 7:59:54 GMT -5
hmmm have you seen what the ceremonial guards wear at the Vatican ? look at the clothing of ancient Greeks Do I agree with women not wearing trousers? well from the time I was a teen till very very recently ( like 18 months ago ) I wore nothing but skirts and dresses but have for the past two winters worn trousers as the cold wind made my artificial knee so painful I couldn't walk as it blew under my dresses but to see some of the so called fashion just makes me laugh as they look so ridiculous There are other options that don't require the loss of femininity besides wearing pants. There are some types of leggings that clearly would not be men's attire that I have seen women wear in the winter, and they wore a dress or skirt over them. The ancient Greeks were pagans. There are examples of women who were in pagan cultures who were in the military wearing men's style uniforms, just as you can find men dressed in feminine style clothing today, like singer Boy George. Throughout history, dresses pertained to a woman and pants to a man. As a result of feminism, women started wearing men's apparel, and when manufacturers saw money could be made, they started sizing men's clothes to women.
I go back to the issue of "Jessie's Dream Skirt," and how Concerned Women For America were upset about it teaching a boy to cross dress. The skirt was made by his mother to fit him, and if I was to go by the argument women make today about how they bought their pants in the women's section of the store, that should make this feminine looking skirt on a boy acceptable, but somehow, these women knew something was wrong with it. The thought occurred to me that I could imagine women, sitting around in an office wearing pant suits and jeans getting upset about a little boy in a skirt tailor made to fit him and calling it cross dressing. Even in the book, a little girl defends Jessie by saying that she wears pants, what is the difference? The fact of the matter is, there is no difference. Feminists simply fought for the right to wear men's clothes, or women's clothes, or whatever they wanted, till nobody seems bothered by it, no matter what they wear, but Biblically, it is wrong.
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Post by ladypeartree on Mar 25, 2019 8:10:53 GMT -5
At no time do I want to be masculine ( believe me women have most things better ) but I simply cannot afford to dress as you suggest as I walk 4 dogs and just one catch of their nails and even the most expensive ( and warm )leggings are ruined whereas trousers don't get broken so easily. I live on a pension so paying out £4 or more almost every day to replace the leggings isn't possible unless I go without food and warmth in the winter. When the weather is better such as today I am back in dresses ( and mine are to my ankles as I don't like short dresses ) but in winter I will stay with my trousers and long tops
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Post by John on Apr 2, 2019 8:33:13 GMT -5
I sometimes wonder how women survived before wearing pants became acceptable by society. I see pictures of women in the military in WW2 wearing skirts, nurses wearing dresses, all women came to church in a dress, women wore a house dress doing chores, everything, but today, it is not possible. Of course, Amish women and holiness women and conservative Baptist women must know the secret of how to manage, but most don't.
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