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Post by Giller on Mar 27, 2019 9:34:10 GMT -5
Cletus did you see these pictures of these cut stones, or did you actually see them in real life? this is not the video i spoke of... but it should suffice.
I am working on getting scripture together also. Hang tight.
Thanks for sharing Cletus, we can see things being set up, but I bear more witness with the city of David site, than watch is known as the temple mount site though. |
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Post by Sister on Mar 27, 2019 11:51:12 GMT -5
Who is going to build that temple of abomination? ...or give the order?
Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Daniel 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
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Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
he = False Prophet
between the seas = between the "Mediterranean sea" and the "Dead Sea" = Jerusalem. the glorious holy mountain = kingdom of God.
He, the false prophet will plant the tabernacles (tents) of "his palace" (his temple) in Jerusalem physically. Jerusalem is not God's holy mountain now, but the kingdom of God is. Spiritually he is taking God's place in the hearts of men, in God's holy mountain for men will be serving him and not God.
There are many interpretations concerning the tabernacles of his palace, and any how this happens near the end of the tribulation period, which i am talking about Daniel 11:45. And some say that the tabernacles or tents of his palace, is the Antichrist setting up as his main headquarters in God's glorious mountain, which some say is Jerusalem, and others say that he sets up his residence or palace in the temple, and there are others who say that he makes Jerusalem as his military base and others say something else. To me it shows nothing about the Antichrist building the temple here, and besides this, this verse 45, takes place near the end of the tribulation period, but it is at the mid point of the tribulation that the Antichrist marches in the already built temple. Hi Giller
Maybe it might help if we consider this map. "Between the seas" gives us a pretty good indication where the FP will "plant" the tabernacles of his "palace" . Remember he is working with the 10 kings. Out of all the nations of the earth, they have chosen this place to rule from and set up their headquarters.
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Post by Giller on Mar 27, 2019 12:31:02 GMT -5
There are many interpretations concerning the tabernacles of his palace, and any how this happens near the end of the tribulation period, which i am talking about Daniel 11:45. And some say that the tabernacles or tents of his palace, is the Antichrist setting up as his main headquarters in God's glorious mountain, which some say is Jerusalem, and others say that he sets up his residence or palace in the temple, and there are others who say that he makes Jerusalem as his military base and others say something else. To me it shows nothing about the Antichrist building the temple here, and besides this, this verse 45, takes place near the end of the tribulation period, but it is at the mid point of the tribulation that the Antichrist marches in the already built temple. Hi Giller
Maybe it might help if we consider this map. "Between the seas" gives us a pretty good indication where the FP will "plant" the tabernacles of his "palace" . Remember he is working with the 10 kings. Out of all the nations of the earth, they have chosen this place to rule from and set up their headquarters.
Interesting map, and it seems to show that Jerusalem itself is between the seas, that is between the Mediterranean sea, and the Dead sea. |
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Post by Cletus on Mar 27, 2019 18:17:02 GMT -5
this is not the video i spoke of... but it should suffice.
I am working on getting scripture together also. Hang tight.
Thanks for sharing Cletus, we can see things being set up, but I bear more witness with the city of David site, than watch is known as the temple mount site though. here is some stuff you should study... and check it out with maps too. I have some pdf file overlays. i do not know if it will let me email it to you, but if you have none pm me and i will try... but be patient as i am busy with stuff and things and computers are not my strong suit. the files may be to big to send as an attachment. anyway...
this one scripture will prove its not the city of david... 1Ki 8:1 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.
the city of david is one mountain south of the temple mount. but.. and this is a big BUT... this scripture also shows as well as others the ark was in that city... so be careful when reading and puting a blip on a map.
2Sa 24:16 And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.
read about this threshing floor, its somewhere in the chronicles too... digging. brb.
2Ch 3:1 Then Solomon began to build the house of the LORD in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the LORD had appeared to David his father, at the place that David had appointed, on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
2Ch 5:2 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.
2Ch 5:3 Wherefore all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto the king in the feast which was in the seventh month.
2Ch 5:4 And all the elders of Israel came; and the Levites took up the ark.
2Ch 5:5 And they brought up the ark, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle, these did the priests and the Levites bring up.
Mount Moriah is north of Mount Ophel.
Mount Moriah is the same place Abraham went to sacrifice Issac. this info is a good place to start doing some research.
God Speed.
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Post by Cletus on Mar 27, 2019 18:21:29 GMT -5
one more thing...
Araunah the Jebusite. and Ornan the Jebusite. are the same person. its told in two different books at different times and originally in two languages.
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Post by Giller on Mar 27, 2019 23:16:35 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Cletus, we can see things being set up, but I bear more witness with the city of David site, than watch is known as the temple mount site though. here is some stuff you should study... and check it out with maps too. I have some pdf file overlays. i do not know if it will let me email it to you, but if you have none pm me and i will try... but be patient as i am busy with stuff and things and computers are not my strong suit. the files may be to big to send as an attachment. anyway...
this one scripture will prove its not the city of david... 1Ki 8:1 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.
the city of david is one mountain south of the temple mount. but.. and this is a big BUT... this scripture also shows as well as others the ark was in that city... so be careful when reading and puting a blip on a map.
2Sa 24:16 And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.
read about this threshing floor, its somewhere in the chronicles too... digging. brb.
2Ch 3:1 Then Solomon began to build the house of the LORD in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the LORD had appeared to David his father, at the place that David had appointed, on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
2Ch 5:2 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.
2Ch 5:3 Wherefore all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto the king in the feast which was in the seventh month.
2Ch 5:4 And all the elders of Israel came; and the Levites took up the ark.
2Ch 5:5 And they brought up the ark, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle, these did the priests and the Levites bring up.
Mount Moriah is north of Mount Ophel.
Mount Moriah is the same place Abraham went to sacrifice Issac. this info is a good place to start doing some research.
God Speed.
I will have to re look at things, but I do know that in the video it does mention the threshingfloor, I will re look at it if it mentions the city of David, and what else it says, and I will look into this mount Moriah. What I do know is that Jesus said not one stone would be left upon another. So I will look into were mount Moriah actually is, and there obviously was places were they could do some of the Old testament washing ceremonies, close to the temple, so I am not counting out what they said in the video, but will look to see if their is inconsistency of certain associations, with places in the bible. But the site they found seems to fit more what the bible says, such as not one stone being left upon another, the threshing floor, and so on. So I will look into this mount Moriah, city of David stuff, and yes they could have had a bit of stuff incorrect in their associations. |
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Post by Giller on Mar 28, 2019 2:47:33 GMT -5
I must admit a lot of stuff to look into, into the issue of were the original temple was placed.
2Ch 3:1
Then Solomon began to build the house of the LORD in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the LORD had appeared to David his father, at the place that David had appointed, on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
It was no doubt built on Mount Moriah, for the bible says so.
Now what is proclaimed to be Mount Moriah today, is it truly the mount Moriah of the bible?
I think we should at least be open to look into it.
I know not all traditional sites, that have been held for a long time, are biblical, such as Mount Sinai being in Egypt, which the bible shows it was in Arabia.
Now how close was this Mount Moriah to the city of David?
I do not know.
One thing I do know, is that history records that there was this fort Antonia that existed in Jesus' day, and were the temple Mount is, fits to a tea in how Roman fortresses were built and it's size.
And was the city of David bigger in the past, to what is proclaimed to be the city of David today?
And was the threshing floor they have found, in what they called the city of David, part of this city in the past?
And through out history did the city of David grow in size to comprise other areas, that it once did not comprise of?
I do not know, just asking questions.
And I do know that not all maps will be accurate, even biblical maps, which some tend to put Sinai in Egypt.
I have my doubts concerning the temple mount, because of the wailing wall standing which was not destroyed.
Here is an interesting scripture:
Mic 3:12
(12) Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
Here is a comment on this:
(Jimmy Swaggart)
(this is the Prophecy quoted by the elders to King Jehoiakim [Jer. 26:18]. "Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field," was not fulfilled when Nebuchadnessarlater took the city, but was fulfilled with its destruction by Titus in A.D. 70. At that time, the Temple was completely razed, with plows actually run over the very ground on which it sat...)
Sounds like complete destruction to me, even things becoming plowed, maybe even being made flat.
Could have Mount Moriah have been flatened to a degree as well?
It is were the temple lay, it was the temple's mountain.
And Jesus did say this:
Luk 21:5-6
(5) And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
(6) As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
In the end we will know which area is the accurate one, and maybe it could be partly in this new area, and partly in some of the other area which may not be part of fort Antonia, who knows, but I think that when the rebuilding of the temple restarts, it will most likely be in the right area.
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Post by Cletus on Mar 28, 2019 8:54:49 GMT -5
I must admit a lot of stuff to look into, into the issue of were the original temple was placed. 2Ch 3:1 Then Solomon began to build the house of the LORD in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the LORD had appeared to David his father, at the place that David had appointed, on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite. It was no doubt built on Mount Moriah, for the bible says so. Now what is proclaimed to be Mount Moriah today, is it truly the mount Moriah of the bible? I think we should at least be open to look into it. I know not all traditional sites, that have been held for a long time, are biblical, such as Mount Sinai being in Egypt, which the bible shows it was in Arabia. Now how close was this Mount Moriah to the city of David? I do not know. One thing I do know, is that history records that there was this fort Antonia that existed in Jesus' day, and were the temple Mount is, fits to a tea in how Roman fortresses were built and it's size. And was the city of David bigger in the past, to what is proclaimed to be the city of David today? And was the threshing floor they have found, in what they called the city of David, part of this city in the past? And through out history did the city of David grow in size to comprise other areas, that it once did not comprise of? I do not know, just asking questions. And I do know that not all maps will be accurate, even biblical maps, which some tend to put Sinai in Egypt. I have my doubts concerning the temple mount, because of the wailing wall standing which was not destroyed. Here is an interesting scripture: Mic 3:12 (12) Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest. Here is a comment on this: (Jimmy Swaggart)
(this is the Prophecy quoted by the elders to King Jehoiakim [Jer. 26:18]. "Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field," was not fulfilled when Nebuchadnessarlater took the city, but was fulfilled with its destruction by Titus in A.D. 70. At that time, the Temple was completely razed, with plows actually run over the very ground on which it sat...)
Sounds like complete destruction to me, even things becoming plowed, maybe even being made flat. Could have Mount Moriah have been flatened to a degree as well? It is were the temple lay, it was the temple's mountain. And Jesus did say this: Luk 21:5-6 (5) And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, (6) As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. In the end we will know which area is the accurate one, and maybe it could be partly in this new area, and partly in some of the other area which may not be part of fort Antonia, who knows, but I think that when the rebuilding of the temple restarts, it will most likely be in the right area. God started me in Genesis. with Abraham. Even when you look at the map and see how far it was to where Abraham was living... and consider a donkey loaded down with wood, how long that would take... and then map it and see how many miles, and how many miles a donkey could go in a days time loaded down... like a glove. |
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Post by Giller on Mar 28, 2019 10:20:46 GMT -5
One thing I also found interesting in the video, is this, that it was mentioned that in the 4th century, 4 different locations for the temple were mentioned which was not the dome of the Rock area.
I wonder what those were, which one of them might have been the area mentioned in the video.
And here is something Josephus said about the temple:
(Josephus (1rst century historian))
(It was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited.)
And here are more interesting quotes from Josephus:
(Josephus, Wars of the Jews 7.376, Whiston Translation)
(“Where is this city that was believed to have God himself inhabiting therein? It
[all Jerusalem] is now demolished to the very foundations; and has nothing but
that monument of it preserved. I mean the camp of those who has destroyed it,
which still dwells upon its ruins.”)
(Josephus, Wars of the Jews 6.93, 149, Whiston Translation)
(... the rest of the Roman army had, in seven days’ time, overthrown [some]2
foundations of the tower of Antonia, and had made a ready and broad way to
the temple.”)
And it seems that the one who brought to popularity, the site of the Dome of the Rock as being the place of the temple, was this Benjamin Tudela (1169) proclaiming emphatically that the Muslim Haram al- Sharif, the current traditional Temple Mount platform, was the proper placement of Solomon’s temple.
But before this time, it seems that that was not so, just from this time onwards.
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Post by Giller on Mar 28, 2019 10:36:03 GMT -5
I have been reading stuff on the millennial temple, and man that thing is going to be huge.
Which it does not appear at all that it will be possible to make such a huge temple in our times, in modern day Israel.
It may be that God might accept the temple that is built during the time of the tribulation period, but if he does, it will be extended in size, during the millennial reign.
But we shall see, and the tribulation temple is called the temple of God.
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Post by Giller on Mar 28, 2019 11:07:34 GMT -5
I like that you provoke me to thought Cletus, and get us searching out things.
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Post by Cletus on Mar 28, 2019 19:18:15 GMT -5
I like that you provoke me to thought Cletus, and get us searching out things. I like that you are not afraid to get your feet wet. and you too provide some thought provoking posts.
to me its more special when i find a pearl compared to when someone spoon feeds it to me. its like you buy a truck vs someone giving it to you. the one you buy cost you so you take care of it. it has more value to you because you worked for it. earned it.
iron sharpens iron.
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Post by John on Mar 31, 2019 15:31:39 GMT -5
You have convinced me that the temple was not where everyone believes it was, and based on something I read today, I am convinced that the original city of David was much larger than it is today, and that it included part of the city of Jerusalem. 2 Chronicles 8:11
And Solomon brought up the daughter of Pharoaoh out of the city of David unto the house that he had built for her: for he said, My wife shall not dwell in the house of David king of Israel, because the places are holy, whereunto the ark of the LORD hath come.
The ark of the Lord was brought to the temple. Solomon's wife was an idol worshipper, and that is why he removed her from a place that was holy unto the Lord. After reading this, I typed in a search and asked if the City of David was originally part of Jerusalem, and the answer I got back was that it was "speculated to have composed the original urban core of Jerusalem." Just something else to consider.
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Post by Giller on Apr 6, 2019 20:28:43 GMT -5
Mal 3:1-4
(1) Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
(2) But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
(3) And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
(4) Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.
I had mentioned before that I believe this is referring to a double prophecy, which one was in the time of Jesus, to which John the baptist prepared the way before the Lord, and on the day of Pentecost, the Holy Ghost came inside the temple of believing men, which the body is the temple of the Holy Ghost.
But the second meaning is referring to one of the 2 witnesses which is Elijah, which shall prepare men's hearts for the second coming of Christ, and how that when Christ is on earth, and the millennial reign starts, there will be a point to were, the temple shall be filled with the presence of the Lord.
Now concerning the tribulation temple, it is called God's temple, but will God accept this temple, at the start of the millennial reign?
Well if he does, it will be greatly expanded, for the millennial reign temple will be huge, even too big, for the Israel of today to really have, and in the time of the millennial reign, Israel will have much more land than it has today.
Now will the presence of the Lord, fill the millennial temple, will it come suddenly upon this temple?
Eze 43:4-5
(4) And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.
(5) So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.
Here are comments on this:
(Jimmy Swaggart)
(verse 4: "comes in the newly built Millennial Temple".
verse 5: "The lord is now entering into and taking possession of the "House," as formerly He had entered into and taken possession of the Tabernacle and the Temple of old [Ex. 40:34-35; I Ki.8:10-11]".)
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Post by Giller on Apr 9, 2019 13:31:31 GMT -5
Mat 17:11-12
(11) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
(12) But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
One thing I would like for people to notice is this.
When Jesus spoke these things, John the Baptist, was already dead.
Here is proof:
Mat 14:10-12
(10) And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison.
(11) And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother.
(12) And his disciples came, and took up the body, and buried it, and went and told Jesus.
So the future tense of Elijah coming, in chapter 17, verse 11, is truly referring to the real Elijah, but when it mentions Elijah how he already came (past tense), in verse 12, it is speaking of the spiritual Elijah, which was John the Baptist.
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