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Post by frienduff on May 1, 2019 13:43:48 GMT -5
For those who have been called OUT of the darkness and into the marvelous LIGHT of CHRIST . Let them both know and understand , That one who is called out of darkness will not justify their error over and over again when it is brought unto their attention . IF a man does this or any creature , THEN they are STILL of darkness . FOR if the SPIRIT abides in one , THE SPIRIT CONVICTS us of sin and error . WHEN we are awake it does teach us and when we sleep it does keep us and when we arise early HE does guide us and keep us . But the spirit of error does not such thing . IT allows error in the name of inclusiveness and or self justification of sin . For its serves one god and that god is the most dangerous of all gods unto a man . IT IS the god of self and it must be CRUCIFIED the moment it rears its nasty life taking head .
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Post by frienduff on May 1, 2019 13:48:17 GMT -5
To all that does draw breath and has the LIFE of CHRIST in them, let them both know and understand , That even the letters of paul and all in that bible were inspired , but not by men , BUT BY THE SPIRIT called HOLY . IF a man or a woman or any does try and change that pattern , they are fighting . But it is not men they fight , BUT HE WHO INSPIRED THAT TRUTH . And oh me and oh dear and oh my , AINT NO MAN WANNA BE IN THOSE SHOES . NONE ever PEROID . IS the pot stronger than the maker , is the created able to overpower the creator ..... THEN KNOW and UNDERSTAND that for all who do these things , And refuse correction and to repent , THEIR END will not be hugs and cupcakes , THEIR END will be ONLY WRATH and THE SECOND DEATH . Granted this message will not be approved by an inclusive world , BUT TRUE IT IS .
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Post by frienduff on May 1, 2019 13:53:56 GMT -5
When I say LEARN JESUS and LEARN HIM WELL and LEARN those letters of the apostels and learn them well and LEARN SOUND DOCTRINE and LEARN IT WELL. ITS A LIFE OR DEATH MESSAGE . FOR a lamb follows CHRIST and CHRIST cannot deny HIMSELF . We in dire dangerous days . And the slope called SLIPPERY has been greased double fold . THUS let every lamb take HEED unto themselves and unto the DOCTRINE of Christ , FOR IN SO DOING they shall save themselves and those that hear them . By the GRACE of GOD can this be done , and without the grace of GOD it cannot . CLING TO CHRIST and LEARN the BIBLCAL ONE and FAST . For deceptions abound worse and the grand deception has already been born unto the world and shall deceive all not in the lambs book of life . BE ON GUARD , lest any one be taken with the error of the wicked and fall from their own steadfastness. For the trogan horse is and has been presented unto the nations of the world . DO NOT let it into the chambers of your heart DO NOT take its peace offering , FOR WITHIN is DEATH and the Spirit of perdition and once in , as the churches do sleep , IT SHALL ARISE and open all the doors and take that HEART CAPTIVE UNTO ITS LIE . GET OUT , COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM It has began and will get only worse .
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Post by frienduff on May 2, 2019 0:50:24 GMT -5
And one more reminder . It matters not what the entire Vatican , pope and all says about our dear sister watchful , YOU LOVED SISTER . YOU are LOVED .
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Post by John on May 5, 2019 11:28:23 GMT -5
Joseph you’re misunderstanding me. I was talking about seeking the knowledge of God. Being simple doesn’t mean you never grow in knowledge. If you get saved and then ten years later you haven’t learned anything new, there’s something wrong. We’re called to be simple, but we’re not called to be uninitiated. Aside from junk teaching on websites and in pulpits, there are people out there who have something to teach. I’m not going to sit here and say that 100% of the teaching from 100% of Christians on the planet is wrong. If that was true, then joseph your teaching would have to be wrong. Yes we must be discerning, but we can’t reject everyone. Take a list of 100% of all Christian teachers you can find. According to Scripture, how many of those Christian teachers do you accept without testing their message as Scripture says ? None. Remember that no teacher, no matter how careful or sincere has perfect knowledge.
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Post by John on May 5, 2019 11:31:20 GMT -5
Take a list of 100% of all Christian teachers you can find. According to Scripture, how many of those Christian teachers do you accept without testing their message as Scripture says ? We seem to be talking past each other. There is no human whose teaching I would take as fact without checking Scripture for myself. I would never blindly believe what I’m told. Teachers must prove themselves as workers not ashamed. They are not entitled to being believed. However, I don’t dismiss things out of hand just because a human brought it up to me. I don’t think I’m above any human correction. If I hear a good sermon that expounds on Scriptural truth, I won’t look for some kind of way to catch him in a loophole to oppose him. Some people reject good doctrinal teaching without even thinking it through. They are unteachable. Somewhere in the middle of these two extremes is the right way to act. Give teachers the respect to hear what they have to say, test it by Scripture, and receive it if it seems to be true. Don’t just blindly believe them, but neither be an argumentative jerk. I hope this helps. That is sound advise.
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Post by joseph on May 10, 2019 16:53:21 GMT -5
Take a list of 100% of all Christian teachers you can find. According to Scripture, how many of those Christian teachers do you accept without testing their message as Scripture says ? None. Remember that no teacher, no matter how careful or sincere has perfect knowledge.
Re-think: Take a pure bar of gold to an appraiser - they will test it to verify it is 'perfect' (pure). Take all of God's Testing - testing with the positive expectation of proving our faith perfect (pure), without defect. The testing is to verify the perfect message , the pure message. If their is a mistake, it is brought out into the LIGHT, to be corrected/ exposed tossed out. (not the person perhaps, but the message). Look at a 2 year old healthy baby boy --- "PERFECT! " .... later when Six years old (hopefully!) - "PERFECT" later when Twelve years old "PERFECT" when raised in the way he should go (in line with all Scripture, all God's Plan, and God's Purpose, by faith in Christ Jesus, according to His Grace and the Father's accomplishing His Word as He Says. "PERFECTLY" ..... Mature. Fully acceptable. Correct. Right. In "Perfect Harmony and Union with Jesus Living Daily, Echad with the Father" as written in the New Testament. (and yet hardly ever seen today by anyone). Do things God's Way. That is the ONLY WAY ........ "PERFECT!" (all the time, day and night, 24/7 as God Permits and Does this)
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Post by John on May 12, 2019 6:39:01 GMT -5
None. Remember that no teacher, no matter how careful or sincere has perfect knowledge.
Re-think: Take a pure bar of gold to an appraiser - they will test it to verify it is 'perfect' (pure). Take all of God's Testing - testing with the positive expectation of proving our faith perfect (pure), without defect. The testing is to verify the perfect message , the pure message. If their is a mistake, it is brought out into the LIGHT, to be corrected/ exposed tossed out. (not the person perhaps, but the message). Look at a 2 year old healthy baby boy --- "PERFECT! " .... later when Six years old (hopefully!) - "PERFECT" later when Twelve years old "PERFECT" when raised in the way he should go (in line with all Scripture, all God's Plan, and God's Purpose, by faith in Christ Jesus, according to His Grace and the Father's accomplishing His Word as He Says. "PERFECTLY" ..... Mature. Fully acceptable. Correct. Right. In "Perfect Harmony and Union with Jesus Living Daily, Echad with the Father" as written in the New Testament. (and yet hardly ever seen today by anyone). Do things God's Way. That is the ONLY WAY ........ "PERFECT!" (all the time, day and night, 24/7 as God Permits and Does this) When it comes to Bible teachers, who is the appraiser? How do we know that the appraiser is able to determine that the message is perfect? Just like there are no perfect teachers and preachers, there are no perfect appraisers, at least none that are human beings. The Holy Spirit is the one sent to lead us into all truth, so if you are saying He is the appraiser, I can see that, but I wouldn't trust the evaluations of men. I certainly wouldn't when it comes to telling me this preacher or that preacher is perfect in their doctrine, so there is no need to worry about anything they say. We need to look at everything anyone says in light of the Bible, because they will say things that are 100 percent on the money one time, and be off in other areas.
I have mentioned before how I was greatly influenced by a message from the late Myles Munroe and his teachings on being an Ambassador for Christ. What he said in that one message was truth, and I knew it. That led me to purchasing more of his material. I read one of his books, and agreed with much of it, so I bought a teaching series he had on the Kingdom on cd. At first, it seemed to be mostly sound, but as I continued to listen to more, it was completely false. It was so bad, I felt like he made things up in order to continue to pour out new revelations nobody else had. The point is, a person can be sound some of the time, and false at other times. Measure everything anyone says by the Bible. I say that about others and myself. Don't take my word for things. Measure it by the Bible, because I may not be intending to tell you something false, but that doesn't mean I have all things 100 percent figured out. All any minister can do is their best to get it right. The ones that concern me the most are those who aren't seeking so much to get it right, but are tying to find way to profit from the ministry so they are creative with scripture to stand out, and the wolves in sheep's clothing that are really servants of the devil looking to lead you away from the truth. Test everything.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:32:50 GMT -5
The Lord may use a raven (unclean bird) to feed His own.....we need to know when it is His voice......we may eat the bread that is brought by a raven in the will of the Lord, as long as we don't eat the whole raven and count it as clean.
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Post by PG4Him on May 12, 2019 8:42:53 GMT -5
There’s a reason why Scripture does not compare doctrine to gold appraisal. The appraisal process is math. 100% AU molecules=perfect gold. No inspiration or interpretation needed. Human errors can happen, but when the process is followed it results in right answers. Our faith is compared to gold because — wait for it — faith is a measurable substance. Doctrinal teaching is compared to food.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 12:44:23 GMT -5
Amen.....God's word is our spiritual food. I'm not sure if I am following the train of thought on this correctly or not sister, but what comes to mind is that the substance of faith......is spirit. Not of our own that no man may boast...it is of the Spirit of Christ. We each received the faith of Christ and the mind of Christ when we received of His Spirit. We each received a measure of His faith and Spirit (parable of the talents) apportioned as the Spirit willed, some a greater measure, some less, and a range in between. (Whereas Jesus had the Spirit without measure.)
There are two ways that we can test the spirits and test teachings that I know of...one is to test the spirits by the Holy Spirit, ie, by discernment and by recognizing whether it is of His Spirit or not....recognizing whether this is the Spirit and voice of our Shepherd, or is it another. Along with that we are to test by His word, whether it is in line with and agreeing with scripture or not. Maybe we can test by other spiritual gifts as well, though I'm not sure...eg, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, prophecy, possibly....though these would also get tested. Eat the meat, spit out the bones...whatever is of the Lord and sent by Him we eat, whatever is not of Him gets set aside and we don't eat it.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 12, 2019 14:57:33 GMT -5
...Whereas Jesus had the Spirit without measure. "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure." - John 3:34
"As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world." - John 17:18
"...O you of little faith, why did you doubt?" - Matthew 14:31
"But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord,
are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord." - 2 Corinthians 3:18
"I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus." - Philippians 3:14
"...He who is able to accept it, let him accept it." - Matthew 19:12
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:38:19 GMT -5
Jhn 3:34-35 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Eph 4:7-8 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Rom 12:3-4 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office
Mat 25:14-15 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 13, 2019 5:48:54 GMT -5
Jhn 3:34-35 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. Eph 4:7-8 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Rom 12:3-4 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office Mat 25:14-15 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also..." - John 14:12
"A disciple is not above his teacher,
but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher." - Luke 6:40
I believe measure of faith is one thing, measure of the Spirit is another.
Each believer has the potential to achieve the same qualities of Jesus Christ.
But not all have the faith to walk in that level, that is the problem.
There are proofs that we are growing in the knowledge of the Spirit as we walk (if we are seeking).
If we were not growing, then believers would always struggle with sin as they did at the start.
Some still do, because they do not seek...
"...without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God
must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6
The fact is, believers can have dominion over the flesh just as Jesus had.
But why do so many still struggle with some sin?
"...Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you,
if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain,
‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you." - Matthew 17:20
"Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should
abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God..." - 1 Thessalonians 4:1
Blessings!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 7:57:52 GMT -5
We might be speaking somewhat at cross-purposes on this Letters. Overcoming sin is a given......I wasn't thinking of sin but more of how we are and serve God generally. Anyway, it isn't an argument and it's always profitable to look at scriptures and let the Lord feed from them as He wills. The ones I posted were meant to show that we are given a measure of faith and a measure of the Spirit. And as the parable of the talents shows, whatever our measure we are to be faithful in using it, not bury or quench it....and thus gain more....we are to grow in what we have. 1Co 13:8-10
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
2Co 5:4-5
For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
(An earnest is only a down payment of what is coming….it is the bride price of our betrothal, which is as binding as marriage and the guarantee of it…..but it is not yet the marriage which is still to come. www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G728&t=KJV ) 1Co 12:27-30
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Jo 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
2Th 1:7-10
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels………
……………When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed ) in that day.
For now, we are only tasting of the heavenly gifts……..we experience tastes of the heavenly, some greater, some lesser, etc…….we do not stay in that heavenly place but we go in and out….and God blesses our going in and going out……but one day we will "go no more out". Like Paul sometimes wrote things in the Spirit and sometime wrote things as a man…..we may go in and out of being in the Spirit…..miracles are sporadic as the Lord wills and moves….a believer may be translated spontaneously in the will of the God, but doesn’t travel that way all the time…..etc. These are all just tastes of what is to come.....when we shall "forever be with the Lord"...no more going in and going out. Heb 6:4
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost
Psa 34:8
O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Rev 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
No one in the Body of Christ has all spiritual gifts………and some are greater gifts, and some are lesser……not all have gift of miracles…..not all have gift of prophecy….not all have gift of faith or have gift of tongues, etc…….but I don’t believe Jesus was limited the way that we are..…..in Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead....the Spirit without measure. He was not just a part of a body, but had every gift, every part, so to speak….He is/was the whole full entire body of which we each individually only form a part. Jesus had all the faith and fullness of the Holy Spirit to do anything that He willed. Except that He restricted Himself to only doing the Father's will....He only did what He saw the Father doing...what the Spirit was leading Him to do. And nothing is impossible that the Lord is leading us to do....which He generally leads us according to the measure and part that we have and are.
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