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Post by PG4Him on May 13, 2019 8:25:34 GMT -5
Maybe we can test by other spiritual gifts as well, though I'm not sure...eg, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, prophecy, possibly....though these would also get tested. Nothing destroys your nice comfortable man-made doctrine like a supernatural touch from God. Look at how Paul’s life changed when Jesus appeared to him. These signs edify us by showing us spiritual principles in the word. Once you speak in tongues you see Acts a different way.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 13, 2019 10:13:40 GMT -5
No one in the Body of Christ has all spiritual gifts... "Because of your unbelief..." - Matthew 17:20
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Post by John on May 13, 2019 10:20:02 GMT -5
No one in the Body of Christ has all spiritual gifts... "Because of your unbelief..." - Matthew 17:20
Are you saying that if we ask in faith, God will give us all the gifts of the Spirit, or that we can all move in any of the gifts already if we believe?
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 13, 2019 10:37:25 GMT -5
Are you saying that if we ask in faith, God will give us all the gifts of the Spirit, or that we can all move in any of the gifts already if we believe? "...If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes." - Mark 9:23
If you walk perfectly in the Spirit you are not doing your own will then whatever comes to you will be possible to you.
The limiting factor is the faith, not because you were given less Spirit... God gives the Spirit, not a fraction of it.
But the carnal mind is what hinders the manifestation of the Spirit in many people.
If you are willing, God will do whatever He wants through you, nothing is going to be impossible.
But what does it requires?!
"Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 18:4
So many times I wished to do something and I did not. Why?!
Because of my unbelief. Because it is impossible to do something you do not believe.
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Post by John on May 13, 2019 10:49:57 GMT -5
2fw8212a, A lot of people would probably scoff at what you said, but Biblically speaking, there is a lot of truth to it.
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Post by PG4Him on May 13, 2019 10:52:13 GMT -5
I don’t necessarily agree with you Letters.
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ — Ephesians 4:11-13
Paul didn’t say a teacher could advance to prophet if he had more faith. Gifts are appointed for service to meet the needs of the church, and God can use a donkey to correct a prophet.
I do understand what Letters is saying, and to a great extent he’s right. But I don’t believe we can achieve the office of prophet by making sure we have enough faith.
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Post by Cletus on May 13, 2019 11:04:14 GMT -5
The faith Jesus is speaking of here...
Mat 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
is not just "i believe in.."
look at what He says...say to a mountain remove hence to yonder place. (and it shall remove)
this kind of faith is one of the gifts... the gift of faith. and miracles and healing usually run with this gift also in a believer.
I have experienced this faith. and spiritually it is tangible. this same faith is how it came to pass when it was said... let there be light, and there was light. When i experienced it I was not allowed to speak freely, and I had a knowing in me that i could mess up some stuff... Gods order. God was just showing me this to show me how great and awesome He Is. This kind of faith is an anointing, and really its a fullness of Gods Spirit in you.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 13, 2019 11:14:52 GMT -5
I don’t necessarily agree with you Letters... ...Paul didn’t say a teacher could advance to prophet if he had more faith. Prophet is not a gift, it is a calling.
Gifts of the Spirit are manifested in all callings.
Then it comes unctions that follows the calling, that is what I believe calling is.
The gifts of the Spirit are not related to the calling, they are available to all.
"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all..." - 1 Corinthians 12:7
I believe it is the unction that makes someone a prophet, apostle, evangelist, etc.
Blessings!
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Post by PG4Him on May 13, 2019 11:17:15 GMT -5
I don’t necessarily agree with you Letters... ...Paul didn’t say a teacher could advance to prophet if he had more faith. Prophet is not a gift, it is a calling.
Gifts of the Spirit are manifested in all callings.
Then it comes unctions that follows the calling, that is what I believe calling is.
The gifts of the Spirit are not related to the calling, they are available to all.
"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all..." - 1 Corinthians 12:7
I believe it is the unction that makes someone a prophet, apostle, evangelist, etc.
Blessings!Oh ok I see what you’re saying. Yes, I do agree that we individually can operate in all the gifts.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 13, 2019 11:34:03 GMT -5
Yes, I do agree that we individually can operate in all the gifts. Then it comes another issue, some want some gifts other others.
Paul encouraged people to desire spiritual gifts...
"Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts..." - 1 Corinthians 14:1
Paul even encouraged people to seek the ability to interpret tongues...
"Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret." - 1 Corinthians 14:13
Despite all that, I still do not want to speak in tongues. But Paul wanted all to speak...
"I wish you all spoke with tongues..." - 1 Corinthians 14:5
But could I speak in tongues?!
Definitely, if I was willing to believe. But I do not want to speak in tongues, that is the truth.
Then I had to face another problem, as people were doubting my salvation at every corner just because I never spoke with tongues.
Then I had to suffer a lot spiritually to learn that I did not need to speak in tongues, and that the Spirit was in me anyway.
I still know some people will not believe that I have the Spirit because they do not see me speak in tongues.
I confess I do not pursue all the gifts of the Spirit, but I defend the possibility is there to those who want them.
"Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts,
let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel." - 1 Corinthians 14:12
Blessings!
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 13, 2019 12:28:07 GMT -5
2fw8212a , A lot of people would probably scoff at what you said, but Biblically speaking, there is a lot of truth to it.
They will probably not scoff when they are in a hospital's bed and in need of nothing less than a miracle to get out of there.
That is when the light in us shine.
"Let your light so shine before men,
that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." - Matthew 5:16
"He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities." - Psalm 103:10
I like to see the Lord performing miracles.
Blessings!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 12:47:23 GMT -5
No one in the Body of Christ has all spiritual gifts... "Because of your unbelief..." - Matthew 17:20
1Co 12:4-12 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
And again: 1 Cor 12:29-30 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Clearly by these scriptures the Lord does not apportion every gift to every man. Brother I don’t know what is being misunderstood between us…I am not in any way arguing against or minimizing the necessity of faith....this is all about faith and how faith is of the Spirit. I am going to just leave the discussion here, since it is upsetting to you, and I am tired today in any case. Bless you.
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Post by Cletus on May 13, 2019 13:03:34 GMT -5
I don’t necessarily agree with you Letters... ...Paul didn’t say a teacher could advance to prophet if he had more faith. Prophet is not a gift, it is a calling.
Gifts of the Spirit are manifested in all callings.
Then it comes unctions that follows the calling, that is what I believe calling is.
The gifts of the Spirit are not related to the calling, they are available to all.
"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all..." - 1 Corinthians 12:7
I believe it is the unction that makes someone a prophet, apostle, evangelist, etc.
Blessings!what you say is true. but consider there is also the gift of prophecy. its also a gift of the Spirit.
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Post by PG4Him on May 13, 2019 13:12:16 GMT -5
Gifts are apportioned by measure. There is no pre-set limit on how many gifts one person may have. Any individual may operate in one gift or a few gifts or all gifts. I don’t know how Paul could have discipled men in all the gifts if he didn’t operate in all of them himself. How could he oversee prophets if he never prophesied? It’s extraordinary to find a man who operates in all of them, but they are out there.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 13, 2019 13:44:53 GMT -5
...it is upsetting to you, and I am tired today in any case. Sorry, I was angered many times. This is just hard for me sometimes.
I have to be more careful. Sorry!
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