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Post by frienduff on May 13, 2019 13:52:11 GMT -5
I don’t necessarily agree with you Letters. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ — Ephesians 4:11-13Paul didn’t say a teacher could advance to prophet if he had more faith. Gifts are appointed for service to meet the needs of the church, and God can use a donkey to correct a prophet. I do understand what Letters is saying, and to a great extent he’s right. But I don’t believe we can achieve the office of prophet by making sure we have enough faith. Correct . But what it does mean is all those gifts and to each one is given , IS USED to bring up the BODY into the SAME FAITH , THE SAME MATURITY . Just because one is not an apostel , Does not mean in time he cannot have that SAME STRONG SOLID FAITH . The gifts are meant for one thing , NOT TO SELF exalt , BUT TO TEACH and EDIFY the BODY that it grows UP into that same FAITH , pure and mature . A simple woman can have the FAITH of an apostel , BUT SHE herself IS NOT ONE . A simple man can grow into the same faith as a prophet , BUT yet not be one . The gifts are not for individual , BUT FOR THE BODY as A WHOLE and that we DO mature . Even what appears to be lesser , IS JUST AS NEEDED as the office of even an apostel . FOR IT IS THE LORD working through each and every member to Bring them to maturity , that henceforth we be no longer tossed to and fro by popish men and lies of men . BUT that we be SOLD IN TRUTH , GROUNED STRONG IN IT and IT IN US.
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Post by frienduff on May 13, 2019 13:57:56 GMT -5
And that IS the BEAUTY OF THE LORD . So I say let the exhorters exhort , the teachers teach , the givers give , those who receive a word share that word , LET all things be done , SEEMINLY not to create exaltations of men , BUT RATHER to lift up the entire group to be as one matured MAN in CHRIST wherein each one serves GOD and puts HIM FIRST above all and then looks out for the welfare of others , EVEN BEFORE THEMSELVES . GROW into the perfect man and flee those wicked men and women of belial who have lulled many into the sleep of death . TIME to FULLY HONOR HE WHO HAS SAVED US , in all we do or say . TIME for the body TO BE THE BODY of CHRIST and not of individual men who desire LORDSHPE OVER the flocks . YES their are leaders , BUT IF ANY LEADER walks NOT as JESUS but honors himself and desires the recognition of some wise and great thing , YOU FLEE THAT MAN of belial AND NEVER LOOK back . AND no matter how humble they pretend to be , THEIR FRUITS WILL ALWAYS SHOW WHO THEY ARE .
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 15:13:18 GMT -5
And again: 1 Cor 12:29-30 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Clearly by these scriptures the Lord does not apportion every gift to every man. Brother I don’t know what is being misunderstood between us…I am not in any way arguing against or minimizing the necessity of faith....this is all about faith and how faith is of the Spirit. I am going to just leave the discussion here, since it is upsetting to you, and I am tired today in any case. Bless you. If those who speak in tongues are not able to interpret, as you seem to claim there is only ONE gift to every individual.
Then why Paul said this here:
"Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret." - 1 Corinthians 14:13
And why Paul encourages desiring spiritual gifts (in plural).
Many people think that to desire something is coming from yourself, and that is not always the case.
"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." - Philippians 2:13
And if you desire, you can ask:
"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you,
you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you." - John 15:7
Then, I do not know what is so wrong in having all the gifts. To me, it is clear you can have all the gifts of the Spirit.
You can have, it is a possibility... But not all desire all the gifts, as that is what God operates in believers: The desire.
I have yet to see people desiring to interpret tongues, and many people are speaking in tongues.
But they have no interest to interpret what they say anyway... But if they desire one day, the possibility is there, just ask.
"Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret." - 1 Corinthians 14:13
Just as I cannot seek to speak with tongues you cannot seek to interpret the tongues.
It is that I wish you people understood.
Blessings!No indeed that is not at all what I'm claiming. But the whole point seems to have gotten buried now anyhow.....oh well, it has been known to happen. Anyway the scriptures are there for anyone to glean.
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