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Post by Sister on May 7, 2019 9:41:25 GMT -5
Hermeneutics
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Hermeneutics (/ˌhɜːrməˈnjuːtɪks/)[1] is the theory and methodology of interpretation,[2][3] especially the interpretation of biblical texts, wisdom literature, and philosophical texts.[4][5]
Modern hermeneutics includes both verbal and non-verbal communication[6][7] as well as semiotics, presuppositions, and pre-understandings. Hermeneutics has been broadly applied in the humanities, especially in law, history and theology.
Hermeneutics was initially applied to the interpretation, or exegesis, of scripture, and has been later broadened to questions of general interpretation.[8] The terms hermeneutics and exegesis are sometimes used interchangeably. Hermeneutics is a wider discipline which includes written, verbal, and non-verbal[6][7] communication. Exegesis focuses primarily upon the word and grammar of texts.
Hermeneutic, as a count noun in the singular, refers to some particular method of interpretation (see, in contrast, double hermeneutic).
It seems to me that these scholars have a word for everything to make themselves sound smart and throw these things around to make us look foolish. On the other forum I was told that I was not sticking to the rules of good hermeneutics, and in their eyes it was probably true. You don't throw all your eggs into one basket or the post will be too long. I like to put a couple in there at a time, and over time.
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Post by PG4Him on May 7, 2019 10:04:00 GMT -5
It seems to me that these scholars have a word for everything to make themselves sound smart and throw these things around to make us look foolish.
This is what’s so rich about it. The more I dig into these hermeneutic workbooks, the more my blood boils. They have slapped together a few literary concepts, butchered those concepts, and sold their little frankenstein as some kind of deep analysis. It’s actually an insult to literature. They’re hoping people like you and John will never advance far enough in the literature world to know better. At my last full-time day job, I was senior editor over three magazines for a publisher. I’ve edited books by PhDs and other accomplished professionals. I don’t know how many books are in the market right now that I worked on. For a while I was a moderator on one of the largest/most popular online communities for writers. I led a project to build a glossary of literary terms for that website. This isn’t to brag about myself. I’m sharing what God has done in my life. That’s why I got so stuck the other night when John mentioned the so-called literary laws. How could I work in this field for ten years at such a high level and not know there were laws? Don’t fall for their snobbery. Sister and anyone else who reads this. Don’t be intimidated for a second. These are children running with scissors. |
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Post by Giller on May 7, 2019 23:44:00 GMT -5
And I know that in the Christian world or so called there is hyper faith, hyper grace.
And we know that in hyper grace and hyper faith, they may mention the words grace and faith, but take these things to a place they were never meant to go.
They have created a false faith, and false grace.
Well concerning hermeneutics, could hermeneutics in some ways apply certain truths of the bible, and add a mixture of untruths to it?
And thus they have created a format of how to understand the bible, but without trusting in the Holy Ghost to reveal the word to them, but rather getting people to trust in their format.
It is faith in the format, rather than faith in God, would that be correct to say?
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Post by Giller on May 7, 2019 23:53:40 GMT -5
And I do not know all of the things that hermeneutics says is, but say they say things like the word context, or to compare the word with the word, the bible tells us to compare the word with the word, and the word context is not a wrong word, let us not make a word that is not wrong, wrong.
I think it is more in the way they apply things, or how they use the word context.
And I agree with Frienduff, of the unholy trinity of man's wisdom being hermeneutics, exegesis, and homilitics.
Now I still want to learn more on these subjects though, and I have not dwelved very much into them.
But what I care most about is in believing what the bible says, but nevertheless, let us be discernful in these areas, and God is good.
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Post by Giller on May 8, 2019 0:42:08 GMT -5
I never went to no seminary, I never learnt the laws of hermeneutics and how to apply them, and nor do I want to learn them, except in a way to expose them.
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Post by Giller on May 8, 2019 0:46:15 GMT -5
I like what you said here Sister.
That is so true, because you cannot always explain every angle in one setting.
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Post by John on May 8, 2019 6:08:10 GMT -5
And I know that in the Christian world or so called there is hyper faith, hyper grace. And we know that in hyper grace and hyper faith, they may mention the words grace and faith, but take these things to a place they were never meant to go. They have created a false faith, and false grace. Well concerning hermeneutics, could hermeneutics in some ways apply certain truths of the bible, and add a mixture of untruths to it? And thus they have created a format of how to understand the bible, but without trusting in the Holy Ghost to reveal the word to them, but rather getting people to trust in their format. It is faith in the format, rather than faith in God, would that be correct to say?
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Post by John on May 8, 2019 6:17:55 GMT -5
And I do not know all of the things that hermeneutics says is, but say they say things like the word context, or to compare the word with the word, the bible tells us to compare the word with the word, and the word context is not a wrong word, let us not make a word that is not wrong, wrong. I think it is more in the way they apply things, or how they use the word context. And I agree with Frienduff, of the unholy trinity of man's wisdom being hermeneutics, exegesis, and homilitics. Now I still want to learn more on these subjects though, and I have not dwelved very much into them. But what I care most about is in believing what the bible says, but nevertheless, let us be discernful in these areas, and God is good.
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Post by John on May 8, 2019 6:23:36 GMT -5
There are also different types of hermeneutics: literal and figurative, and based on which one you use, you will come to different conclusions. Shiloh357 would always claim to use the literal method. You can find the actual rules online. Once I started looking into it, I knew these teachers were perpetrating a fraud.
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Post by PG4Him on May 8, 2019 7:32:51 GMT -5
It’s a hodge podge of good and bad. They do include the more obvious rules like comparing relevant verses. Of course they can’t call it that because that doesn’t sound deep, so they coined the hermeneutic circle. Other parts are flat out wrong. They give bad definitions for some of the terms. One tutorial said irony was the same as sarcasm. That may not be a big deal to the average person, but it’s wrong.
The system is set up to steer you away from abstract thinking. It discourages you from asking conceptual questions. It tells you to stick to the context at any cost, but then it doesn’t teach you how to conceptualize context. That’s the big danger. It handicaps you on that very point. Context is great as long as you can squeeze the most out of it. They don’t want you to do that. Hermeneutics says there’s one right answer, it’s usually the simplest answer, and you’ll find that answer by sticking to the script. These are their words, not mine.
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Post by PG4Him on May 8, 2019 7:48:23 GMT -5
There is actually a complex set of rules we are told we must follow while interpreting the Bible, and when we fail to follow it to the letter, we are accused of using sloppy hermeneutics and poor exegesis. They’ve been told there’s only one conclusion to reach. That’s pounded into them from the first lesson. If you do the method and you get a different answer, you did it wrong. So of course, anyone who presents a different answer on a passage has clearly done the method wrong in their eyes. |
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Post by John on May 8, 2019 8:07:11 GMT -5
There is actually a complex set of rules we are told we must follow while interpreting the Bible, and when we fail to follow it to the letter, we are accused of using sloppy hermeneutics and poor exegesis. They’ve been told there’s only one conclusion to reach. That’s pounded into them from the first lesson. If you do the method and you get a different answer, you did it wrong. So of course, anyone who presents a different answer on a passage has clearly done the method wrong in their eyes.
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Post by PG4Him on May 8, 2019 9:43:54 GMT -5
There is a correct answer, but it doesn't mean they got it. Here’s a good way to understand this system. Let’s compare it to basketball. The game of basketball has one correct premise. You pass, you dribble, you get the ball in the basket, and you score. Pretty straightforward. We would all agree that this is the idea behind basketball. But within that framework are a million possibilities. You can run plays. You can spin while you dunk. You can stretch your three pointers. Once you’re well grounded in the premise of the game, you can elevate the game. That’s how the Holy Spirit teaches us. He takes the established information and shows us conceptual truth we can’t see with our eyes. Reading the rulebook of basketball would never show you the thrill of a last-second game-winning three pointer. Hermeneutics in basketball would give you one definition of how to score. You stand in one spot, the same spot every time, and you shoot. No dunking. No shooting off the dribble. No getting creative. The context of a shot is to stand there and shoot, so stand there and shoot we shall do. Then the Holy Spirit tries to bring a Michael Jordan, and they say he’s not allowed to dunk like that. The system deliberately blocks you from elevating your game. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. — Matthew 23:13 |
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Post by Giller on May 8, 2019 10:09:43 GMT -5
There is a correct answer, but it doesn't mean they got it. Here’s a good way to understand this system. Let’s compare it to basketball. The game of basketball has one correct premise. You pass, you dribble, you get the ball in the basket, and you score. Pretty straightforward. We would all agree that this is the idea behind basketball. But within that framework are a million possibilities. You can run plays. You can spin while you dunk. You can stretch your three pointers. Once you’re well grounded in the premise of the game, you can elevate the game. That’s how the Holy Spirit teaches us. He takes the established information and shows us conceptual truth we can’t see with our eyes. Reading the rulebook of basketball would never show you the thrill of a last-second game-winning three pointer. Hermeneutics in basketball would give you one definition of how to score. You stand in one spot, the same spot every time, and you shoot. No dunking. No shooting off the dribble. No getting creative. The context of a shot is to stand there and shoot, so stand there and shoot we shall do. Then the Holy Spirit tries to bring a Michael Jordan, and they say he’s not allowed to dunk like that. The system deliberately blocks you from elevating your game. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. — Matthew 23:13Thanks for that explanation. |
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 8, 2019 10:18:51 GMT -5
...If you say you look to the Holy Ghost to lead you into all truth, they generally scoff at you.
of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things,
and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ..." - Philippians 3:8
"Let no one deceive himself.
If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age,
let him become a fool that he may become wise." - 1 Corinthians 3:18 |
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