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Post by Sister on May 6, 2019 20:09:30 GMT -5
Hi Dezi
No, they are not the only ones saved. The elect 144K are only the first-fruits of Christ.
Think of it like this....Just as the tribes of Israel were divided, so will the Christian land be. Just as the house of David was initially chosen to rule over the whole house of Israel, the elect will rule over the house of God during the millennium with Christ.. All serving Christ of course, as one. All who make it through are given mercy, even the elect, but the elect can be compared to David, called, chosen, and not without sin, but repented, overcame, and have a perfect heart for the Lord. These are not joined to the world and have come out of her for they have only one master.. These are those who the Lamb has fed because they hungered for truth and offered more sacrifices of the heart, perfect in God's eyes. These are those standing at the altar inside the temple, and not those in the court (Rev 14) They will be protected during the tribulation just as Israel was when they were walking in God's commandments. They will not receive the plagues, nor will see death but the rest will go through much purifying. They are saints of the end times. A select few compared to the millions. No religion, but follow Judah, the Lamb of God and have been fed from him and revealed much.
These are given a white stone with Christ's new name on it, and the rest of the Christian land has not been revealed yet because they received the wrong doctrine. When the true doctrine cannot be found in full...and because they trusted in their church leaders, and in books, and revered men, trusting them with their souls they got tricked and could not recognise it, that new name of Christ..... from the OT. The only name that has not been blasphemed because they didn't know it was him. His name has been hidden from the majority and fed to the few. When the "sealing" takes place, they will know for sure if they were given that right name, so I know about them, that they are chosen to give the Lamb glory because they loved the truth first and the truth they received will be a witness to those who cast them out simply because the others could not recognise the truth or hear that knock on the door when Christ wanted to come in to dine and give more meat.
I am very passionate about this! Yes, we should all aim to be in this category of the faithful, not because we don't want to go through the hardships that are coming, because we are all prepared to suffer all for the Lord and take that stand, just as Abraham was prepared to offer up Isaac out of obedience, but the angel stopped him in time and delivered him because it was just a test... and God knowing that this thing would cause Abraham so much sorrow, spared him from that sorrow. The sealing will take place just before the Mark of the Beast comes out, so it hasn't happened yet and we don't know who they are, but I say there are a few more to come in yet.
The elect are Jews that have been saved before Christ returns? So, there are still some that have not been saved yet? Once this happens the Rapture will take place? Hi Dezi
The elect 144K are spiritual Jews ....ie gentiles. I will explain why.
Israel that were a called out people were one people. When they sinned under Solomon's reign, God divided the whole kingdom. He left Judah in control of Jerusalem for the sake of David, and to preserve God's name. The other tribes who were cut of from Jerusalem were now their enemies and had different kings over them who were not walking under the shadow of God, but doing their own thing. After some time, Judah became worse than those tribes that were cut off and the temple destroyed. When Jesus came to offer reconciliation, they as a whole people (except for the very few) rejected that grace offered to them. Now that whole branch is cut off from Christ. They walk under another king but still as one people in God's eyes. So the 10 tribes who were sent to Assyria and mixed with the gentiles, then scattered throughout the earth are the "lost tribes of Israel". They are lost because they have lost their heritage, their name and their God. They have multiplied "as the sand of the sea" and most don't realise that many of our nations started from them. They are intermingled with the gentiles and live as gentiles, and even started the gentile nations. Their roots of Israel are unknown to most of them because they are so far removed from God. And because they have not kept their old traditions, or remained separate, they have blended in with the gentiles, and have become the gentiles. Out of them, many have accepted Christ, and out of them 12,000 chosen from the descendants of each tribe. Not seen as Jews anymore in God's eyes, but descendants,...children of the 12 tribes of Israel. Now gentiles. A new called out and chosen people.
The sealing of the 144K has not happened yet, but God knows who they are. Before they can all be sealed, they have to be taught true doctrine first. This is a requirement, because it's going to be a huge testimony to the truth, that the Lamb of God has fed them. Their doctrine has to be the same, and not full of holes. God would be working on some now to refine and teach before they can all be sealed with the Father's name on their foreheads, symbolising their devotion that they are the children of God walking in spirit and in truth, and have come out of the corruption of the world and the polluted Christian land.
There's nothing that says that they will be resurrected before the rapture, but only these who will be sealed, who have come out of the shadow of the world, will not receive the plagues. In fact there is nothing indicating that there will even be a pre-trib rapture, for the picking up of all the saints happens at the 7th trumpet when all is done. These 144K just have protection because they hungered for the truth that only Christ can give and overcame. They will not be put into the hands of the gentiles to be trodden over, because this is only given over to the court (Rev 14) Therefore they will not be killed, but protected and spared somehow. How God is going to do it, I don't know.
So once the sealing of the 144K take place, the mark of the beast will be issued, and the 7 plagues will start. They belong to God and with that "seal" the devil nor his host cannot touch them, nor the angels of God who dish out the plagues on anyone still found joined to the world, Christians included.
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Post by Dezi on May 7, 2019 11:53:51 GMT -5
The elect are Jews that have been saved before Christ returns? So, there are still some that have not been saved yet? Once this happens the Rapture will take place? Hi Dezi
The elect 144K are spiritual Jews ....ie gentiles. I will explain why.
Israel that were a called out people were one people. When they sinned under Solomon's reign, God divided the whole kingdom. He left Judah in control of Jerusalem for the sake of David, and to preserve God's name. The other tribes who were cut of from Jerusalem were now their enemies and had different kings over them who were not walking under the shadow of God, but doing their own thing. After some time, Judah became worse than those tribes that were cut off and the temple destroyed. When Jesus came to offer reconciliation, they as a whole people (except for the very few) rejected that grace offered to them. Now that whole branch is cut off from Christ. They walk under another king but still as one people in God's eyes. So the 10 tribes who were sent to Assyria and mixed with the gentiles, then scattered throughout the earth are the "lost tribes of Israel". They are lost because they have lost their heritage, their name and their God. They have multiplied "as the sand of the sea" and most don't realise that many of our nations started from them. They are intermingled with the gentiles and live as gentiles, and even started the gentile nations. Their roots of Israel are unknown to most of them because they are so far removed from God. And because they have not kept their old traditions, or remained separate, they have blended in with the gentiles, and have become the gentiles. Out of them, many have accepted Christ, and out of them 12,000 chosen from the descendants of each tribe. Not seen as Jews anymore in God's eyes, but descendants,...children of the 12 tribes of Israel. Now gentiles. A new called out and chosen people.
The sealing of the 144K has not happened yet, but God knows who they are. Before they can all be sealed, they have to be taught true doctrine first. This is a requirement, because it's going to be a huge testimony to the truth, that the Lamb of God has fed them. Their doctrine has to be the same, and not full of holes. God would be working on some now to refine and teach before they can all be sealed with the Father's name on their foreheads, symbolising their devotion that they are the children of God walking in spirit and in truth, and have come out of the corruption of the world and the polluted Christian land.
There's nothing that says that they will be resurrected before the rapture, but only these who will be sealed, who have come out of the shadow of the world, will not receive the plagues. In fact there is nothing indicating that there will even be a pre-trib rapture, for the picking up of all the saints happens at the 7th trumpet when all is done. These 144K just have protection because they hungered for the truth that only Christ can give and overcame. They will not be put into the hands of the gentiles to be trodden over, because this is only given over to the court (Rev 14) Therefore they will not be killed, but protected and spared somehow. How God is going to do it, I don't know.
So once the sealing of the 144K take place, the mark of the beast will be issued, and the 7 plagues will start. They belong to God and with that "seal" the devil nor his host cannot touch them, nor the angels of God who dish out the plagues on anyone still found joined to the world, Christians included.
Hi Sister.... Wow! That is a lot to absorb!
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Post by Sister on May 7, 2019 23:58:11 GMT -5
Hi Dezi
Sorry, my threads are often derailed and now I am doing it to your thread also unintentionally. This is why I do not get upset when it happens to me, because he truth has no end, always leading us to something else to back that, and then something else to back that additional info,... leading us further down the rabbit hole. This is how truth is found, but sometimes it can be too much to grasp in one go, so my apologies.
Back to your original question. You asked what was the significance of Israel being separated into the northern and southern kingdoms? The answer is simple, because they sinned and started following the way of the gentiles by disobeying God's commandments and serving their gods. I showed you that God divided the kingdom at the end of Solomon's reign, and because Israel put themselves back into captivity spiritually, doing what they knew was wrong, God then used the King of Assyria to take the 10 tribes captive and remove them from their home land. All is God's doing. Seeing as Israel loved the ways of the heathen, God gave them over to the heathen, to become strangers in their land.
We learn from what happened to Israel, because there is nothing new under the sun. Everything gets repeated, because man keep making the same mistakes without learning from those errors of the past. Israel were God's people. They were a called out people. After all God did for them in becoming their wall of protection, they took God for granted, thinking he'd close his eyes to their sin, and he abandoned them and let them be scattered even further, enduring all the hardships that were to come in being hated by all the nations, and serving their oppressors instead.
The gentiles are now a called out people through Christ. Christ appointed his apostles to set up the church and spread the gospels. Just like Israel, the church got tempted and infiltrated by the enemy then started turning to idols and mixing with the world. God has divided up the Christian land now. He used and allowed the enemy to cause divisions. These divisions are varying doctrines and practices within the so called church of God. Every church thinks that they have the truth, but it's a muddled up mess. The church will be divided up further, and brother will go against brother. The luke-warm will be scattered and put into the hands of the gentiles (the enemies of Christ). They will be trodden down and hated just like how Israel was and persecuted in the past. Why? not because of righteousness, but because they did the exact thing that Israel did, and left their first love which is the truth. But God still has mercy, and will set up a test to purify us all, this will cause another simple division splitting the church (the Christian land) in half. One section will refuse the MOB, and the other will not.
The bottom line is if we have one foot in God's kingdom, and the other in the world, spiritually called Babylon, we shall be given over to the world whom we also served - to be her subjects, sent to serve in a strange land. They can do what they like with us then if we disobey their laws and we know it's not going to be pretty. We can serve only one master, not two. If found in her (the world) at the time of the "sealing", we shall receive her plagues. This strong warning is clear;
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,(CHRISTIANS) that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Whoever is found in her will receive her plagues, and must go through the fire to be purified on top of this. We have not much time and must come out of her before the 144K are sealed, which happens....when....we don't know exactly, but just before all the real trouble begins. So that can be any day. Christ will send his angels to "seal" his faithful servants, and because we don't know exactly when, it is equivalent to Christ coming as a thief in the night. A thief only comes when you are not expecting him or keeping watch.
The Christian world don't talk about this at all, because their precept of thinking that the 144K are the remnants of Israel (Jews only). This is incorrect. Jews don't follow Christ, nor do they read the NT to heed it's warnings. These 144K are "Christians", mainly gentiles. It could be anyone of us in that lot - we pray and work towards.... having a good conscience and solid foundation of truth. Working towards it means coming out of the world, and putting the truth first. Loving the Lord with all our heart, soul and mind, and letting the spirit of God teach us through his Word, staying away from all the chaos.
I am here to sound the alarm.
God bless.
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