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Post by Giller on May 10, 2019 10:17:52 GMT -5
I think it is neat to know 2 languages.
Which for me it is French and English.
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Post by Giller on May 10, 2019 11:41:03 GMT -5
Here are things I just looked up, concerning the unicorn.
First I will mention some verses:
Psa 92:10 (10) But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
Psa 22:21 (21) Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Deu 33:17 (17) His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
When the words unicorn or unicorns are mentioned in the bible, they all have the same Hebrew word.
And notice that when unicorn is mentioned in the singular, it never mentions it has having horns plural, but just an horn singular.
It is only when unicorns are mentioned in the plural, that it mentions it has having horns, which could it be saying that the unicorns, have horns plural, just because the word unicorn is mentioned in the plural, and not because each individual unicorn has many horns?
And I think the King James writers chose the right word in unicorn.
And the word uni means one, and the word corn means horn.
Now in the Strong's concordance it says this:
(Strong's concordance)
(H7214
רֵם רֵים רְאֵים רְאֵם
re'êm re'êym rêym rêm
reh-ame', reh-ame', rame, rame
From H7213; a wild bull (from its conspicuousness): - unicorn.
Total KJV occurrences: 9)
Now the 2 most popular views that I looked into, of what the unicorn is, is either a type of one horned oxen, or a one horned rhinoceros.
And a male rhinoceros, is actually called a bull.
Now I would personality lean more towards the unicorn being a one horned rhino.
Because if you look in the bible, oxen are mentioned all over the place, yet they never have the same Hebrew word as the word unicorn.
Here is one scripture on this:
Gen 21:27 (27) And Abraham took sheep and oxen, and gave them unto Abimelech; and both of them made a covenant.
Now I personally believe that the unicorn points to a real animal, and there are instances were it puts it besides a real animal, and here is one of them:
Isa 34:7 (7) And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
And yes of course there are metaphorical meanings to many if not all these verses.
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Post by PG4Him on May 10, 2019 11:57:38 GMT -5
Look at Giller knocking it out of the park with some solid Biblical analysis. No hermeneutics required!
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Post by Cletus on May 10, 2019 12:58:00 GMT -5
i figured you would have a different perspective and bust out with some scripture i had not even perceived. I am not sure if you mean that in a good way or not?, but as I see it, the bible is it's own dictionary, and there's no way we can say for sure what a unicorn is, whether it existed or not, and goes along the same lines as the fruit eve ate. It wasn't about the fruit (as the type of fruit is not mentioned), but about the act of disobeying. The unicorn is not about the animal, but what the horn represents. Uni= one (horn). Where the word corn came from I don't know. its for sure good. you have a perspective on scripture thats not as common in others and you tie in scriptures most will not think of to relate in topics. and this thread is a good example... allow me to illustrate.
I think Buteros train of thought on this (maybe, ask him for sure) but for sure my thought was focused on the animal. But you went to the horn and inspired in me thought about the horn, which in turn brought out a whole other concept in topic in this thread. I doubt that was the intended direction, perhaps i am wrong in this? either way, your words directed another (me) to see something else. This is the part of Christ in you that is yours. Perhaps even God put this idea in Buteros head to start this thread to bring it out.
after reading enough of your posts i have learned this about you.
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Post by Sister on May 10, 2019 19:36:09 GMT -5
I am not sure if you mean that in a good way or not?, but as I see it, the bible is it's own dictionary, and there's no way we can say for sure what a unicorn is, whether it existed or not, and goes along the same lines as the fruit eve ate. It wasn't about the fruit (as the type of fruit is not mentioned), but about the act of disobeying. The unicorn is not about the animal, but what the horn represents. Uni= one (horn). Where the word corn came from I don't know. its for sure good. you have a perspective on scripture thats not as common in others and you tie in scriptures most will not think of to relate in topics. and this thread is a good example... allow me to illustrate.
I think Buteros train of thought on this (maybe, ask him for sure) but for sure my thought was focused on the animal. But you went to the horn and inspired in me thought about the horn, which in turn brought out a whole other concept in topic in this thread. I doubt that was the intended direction, perhaps i am wrong in this? either way, your words directed another (me) to see something else. This is the part of Christ in you that is yours. Perhaps even God put this idea in Buteros head to start this thread to bring it out.
after reading enough of your posts i have learned this about you.
Thank you for explaining that Cletus. This is what I love about God's word, the hidden meanings behind the obvious.
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Post by Sister on May 10, 2019 19:36:59 GMT -5
Where the word corn came from I don't know. Forget about the English meaning of the word, corn simply means horn.
In my language, for example, the word after uni has a connection with horn and it is similar to corn.
Blessings!Wow! Thankyou 2f, I didn't know that.
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Post by Sister on May 10, 2019 20:14:21 GMT -5
Thank you!. A double WOW!. It is starting to make more sense now, and it ties in with something else I learn't recently in one of my bible studies.
Please be patient with me, this is valuable. Remember this verse in Revelation?
Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
The guy on this white horse it not the good guy. He's got a crown, therefore he's got authority. He's conquering with that bow, his weapon. A bow is BENT, not straight.
So he's not speaking or acting "straightly". His ways are bent.
Now look at the Corn Cob. It looks like a horn, and thanks to you guys for showing me, the corn was named after the horn (in it's likeness). The horns on most animals are bent, but the horn on the unicorn is unique in that it is straight. A single straight horn.
All the animals God made have bent horns, or branched and twisted horns, some rounded. The Rhino has a large bent horn, it's not straight, and another little horn also. The unicorn has one single straight horn, and that's what makes it unique like no other animal if we are to compare it with a corn cob, and not with the imagery they've fed us with.
God's ways are straight. His power is straight, and not bent. The horn on a unicorn must represent that strength and authority having singular power, and the source is God. Nothing bent about it.
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Post by Cletus on May 11, 2019 3:27:51 GMT -5
its for sure good. you have a perspective on scripture thats not as common in others and you tie in scriptures most will not think of to relate in topics. and this thread is a good example... allow me to illustrate.
I think Buteros train of thought on this (maybe, ask him for sure) but for sure my thought was focused on the animal. But you went to the horn and inspired in me thought about the horn, which in turn brought out a whole other concept in topic in this thread. I doubt that was the intended direction, perhaps i am wrong in this? either way, your words directed another (me) to see something else. This is the part of Christ in you that is yours. Perhaps even God put this idea in Buteros head to start this thread to bring it out.
after reading enough of your posts i have learned this about you.
Thank you for explaining that Cletus. This is what I love about God's word, the hidden meanings behind the obvious. isnt His word much like how we walk... by faith. we see this.... but we focus on that.
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Post by Sister on May 12, 2019 11:39:26 GMT -5
Just came back from bible studies with my uncle. He informed me that there are two species of Rhino's that have a single horn, so I was corrected there. We looked more into it and the unicorn is likened to a very strong animal, and most probably the Rhino. So my light-bulb moment turned out to be a sinking ship! I'm sharing to correct.
Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
No, it's not like a dog who comes at our command and sleeps by our bed!
Job 39:10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
No, he will most likely try to kill you!
Psalms 92:10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
Something good came out of this. Our horn is our connection to God. We hear him and he hears us. If we have a strong horn like the unicorn, we have a strong connection with God. Solid, unmovable.
Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
Speaking about the armies Christ will judge at his return (the winepress). The unicorns (the very strong) will come down with the bullocks and bulls (the other strong ones)
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Post by Giller on May 12, 2019 19:12:19 GMT -5
Just came back from bible studies with my uncle. He informed me that there are two species of Rhino's that have a single horn, so I was corrected there. We looked more into it and the unicorn is likened to a very strong animal, and most probably the Rhino. So my light-bulb moment turned out to be a sinking ship! I'm sharing to correct.
Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
No, it's not like a dog who comes at our command and sleeps by our bed!
Job 39:10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
No, he will most likely try to kill you!
Psalms 92:10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
Something good came out of this. Our horn is our connection to God. We hear him and he hears us. If we have a strong horn like the unicorn, we have a strong connection with God. Solid, unmovable.
Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
Speaking about the armies Christ will judge at his return (the winepress). The unicorns (the very strong) will come down with the bullocks and bulls (the other strong ones)
Good one Sister.
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Post by John on May 13, 2019 7:53:08 GMT -5
I am not sure if you mean that in a good way or not?, but as I see it, the bible is it's own dictionary, and there's no way we can say for sure what a unicorn is, whether it existed or not, and goes along the same lines as the fruit eve ate. It wasn't about the fruit (as the type of fruit is not mentioned), but about the act of disobeying. The unicorn is not about the animal, but what the horn represents. Uni= one (horn). Where the word corn came from I don't know. its for sure good. you have a perspective on scripture thats not as common in others and you tie in scriptures most will not think of to relate in topics. and this thread is a good example... allow me to illustrate.
I think Buteros train of thought on this (maybe, ask him for sure) but for sure my thought was focused on the animal. But you went to the horn and inspired in me thought about the horn, which in turn brought out a whole other concept in topic in this thread. I doubt that was the intended direction, perhaps i am wrong in this? either way, your words directed another (me) to see something else. This is the part of Christ in you that is yours. Perhaps even God put this idea in Buteros head to start this thread to bring it out.
after reading enough of your posts i have learned this about you.
I was more focused on the fact that there really is or was an animal known as the unicorn. It is not a translation error, and is not likely a horse with a horn. If it is, it doesn't have magical powers. It is a very strong animal and can't be tamed. The only consideration I gave to the horn was the reason for it's name. I was more focused on the animal, but information about the horn or anything related to the unicorn is welcome. I have learned a lot from all your input.
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Post by Giller on May 13, 2019 10:51:23 GMT -5
Here is interesting information from creation.com, about a fossil that has been found:
(https://creation.com/evolution-of-the-rhinoceros-preposterous)
( ...The ‘Giant Unicorn’ seen and described
MorgueFileThe giant unicorn
Reconstructions from fossils of the ‘giant unicorn’ Elasmotherium sibiricus show it was a rhinoceros two metres high (over six ft) and six metres long, with a single two-metre-long horn growing from its forehead.1,2 The fossils were found in Pleistocene strata, which evolutionists date from to 2,500,000 years to 10,000 years ago. So on that basis, they say that Elasmotherium has been extinct at least 10,000 years.
However, a description of an animal matching this fossil, from a 10th century AD traveller to Russia, shows Elasmotherium may have still been alive only 1,000 years ago:
‘There is nearby a wide steppe, and there dwells, it is told, an animal smaller than a camel, but taller than a bull. Its head is the head of a ram, and its tail is a bull’s tail. Its body is that of a mule and its hooves are like those of a bull. In the middle of its head it has a horn, thick and round, and as the horn goes higher, it narrows (to an end), until it is like a spearhead. Some of these horns grow to three or five ells, depending on the size of the animal. It thrives on the leaves of trees … . Whenever it sees a rider, it approaches and if the rider has a fast horse, the horse tries to escape by running fast, and if the beast overtakes them, it picks the rider out of the saddle with its horn, and tosses him in the air … until the rider dies. … The locals seek it in the steppe and in the forest until they can kill it. … [T]hey climb the tall trees between which the animal passes. It requires several bow- men with poisoned arrows … . And indeed I have seen three big bowls shaped like Yemen seashells, that the king has, and he told me that they are made out of that animal’s horn.’3
When animals that evolutionists say have been long extinct turn out to have lived alongside humans more recently, it ought to be no surprise to Christians. For God has said that He created all the animals in the same week that He created man (Genesis 1, 2; Exodus 20:11), around 6,000 years ago....)
And I had read a few articles, how they say that this particular rhino had fur, is that possible? Well look at the elephant, today's elephants do not have fur, but they have found fully intact woolly mammoths which were a type of elephant with it's fur still intact, in the frozen ice.
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Post by John on May 24, 2019 12:48:53 GMT -5
Here is interesting information from creation.com, about a fossil that has been found: (https://creation.com/evolution-of-the-rhinoceros-preposterous)
( ...The ‘Giant Unicorn’ seen and described
MorgueFileThe giant unicorn
Reconstructions from fossils of the ‘giant unicorn’ Elasmotherium sibiricus show it was a rhinoceros two metres high (over six ft) and six metres long, with a single two-metre-long horn growing from its forehead.1,2 The fossils were found in Pleistocene strata, which evolutionists date from to 2,500,000 years to 10,000 years ago. So on that basis, they say that Elasmotherium has been extinct at least 10,000 years.
However, a description of an animal matching this fossil, from a 10th century AD traveller to Russia, shows Elasmotherium may have still been alive only 1,000 years ago:
‘There is nearby a wide steppe, and there dwells, it is told, an animal smaller than a camel, but taller than a bull. Its head is the head of a ram, and its tail is a bull’s tail. Its body is that of a mule and its hooves are like those of a bull. In the middle of its head it has a horn, thick and round, and as the horn goes higher, it narrows (to an end), until it is like a spearhead. Some of these horns grow to three or five ells, depending on the size of the animal. It thrives on the leaves of trees … . Whenever it sees a rider, it approaches and if the rider has a fast horse, the horse tries to escape by running fast, and if the beast overtakes them, it picks the rider out of the saddle with its horn, and tosses him in the air … until the rider dies. … The locals seek it in the steppe and in the forest until they can kill it. … [T]hey climb the tall trees between which the animal passes. It requires several bow- men with poisoned arrows … . And indeed I have seen three big bowls shaped like Yemen seashells, that the king has, and he told me that they are made out of that animal’s horn.’3
When animals that evolutionists say have been long extinct turn out to have lived alongside humans more recently, it ought to be no surprise to Christians. For God has said that He created all the animals in the same week that He created man (Genesis 1, 2; Exodus 20:11), around 6,000 years ago....)And I had read a few articles, how they say that this particular rhino had fur, is that possible? Well look at the elephant, today's elephants do not have fur, but they have found fully intact woolly mammoths which were a type of elephant with it's fur still intact, in the frozen ice. That is amazing! I know the unicorn existed, because it says so in the Bible, and I agree with the position that it was not a horse with a horn, but was some other kind of powerful animal. Even the descriptions of the unicorn indicate a huge and very strong animal that cannot be tamed. That doesn't sound like a horse with a horn. A rhino with a single horn would fit perfectly, and if they have discovered a fossil of one such animal, that is good. I didn't need it to believe, but maybe it will help with the kind of people like Thomas who must see to believe. By the way, I am not meaning to attack Thomas. He was a great man, but for some reason, he had a hard time believing when his faith was tested.
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Post by frienduff on May 25, 2019 11:06:29 GMT -5
David spoke sang and walked by the power of the LORD . Who is our ONE HORN . ITS THE LORD . And HE shall be exalted above all that is named and has been Exalted above all that is named . SO we sing our song , our song BY THE HORN OF THE LORD . By the HORN of the LORD we sound the marvelous gospel By the HORN of the LORD is our song heard unto the nations . And what a sweet song it is , even in those who perished . For whether one believes or rejects , THE SONG played was BEAUTIFUL for the SONG pointed to CHRIST and that is a SONG OF ETERNAL LIFE and BEAUTY . OH raise up the HORN and play by its power and walk in it and let the Song of the LORD be sounded to all . Even though the sounding of it will cost us all in the days ahead , STILL what a joy and rejoicing of the soul that song is to sing and to receive . Hands up and let all praise the Lord .
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Post by frienduff on May 25, 2019 11:10:50 GMT -5
In the French King James, it calls the unicorn a licorne, and corne in french means horn. Why herein is a marvelous thing . Anyone wonder why the corne and cornu in French and in latin are so similar . As English came out of german SO French came forth of latin too . YEP it did . Look it up . THUS it means ONE HORN . And who do we THINK that HORN IS that is exalted high above all , OUR HORN IS THE LORD . IT IS THE LORD and HE is exalted above all that is named Now , we know without looking at any time piece or device that the time on deck is ..........LORD PRAISING TIME . FOR THAT TIME IS UNIVERSAL , always and forever shall the praising of the LORD BE . IN life and even after , SHALL WE PRAISE THE LORD .
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