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Post by John on May 14, 2019 12:01:41 GMT -5
The difference is that you must abide in Him. Word faith teachers agree with you. Joyce Meyer says in her teaching that we must abide in Christ and seek His will. She believes as long as you’re a Spirit-filled Christian you can simply reach out and grab what He has for you. When her followes don’t get the same results, she says they either don’t trust God enough or don’t repent of hidden sin.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 14, 2019 12:11:18 GMT -5
This brings up additional questions you must ask yourself.
Are you genuinely praying according to His will, and are the things you are trying to reach out and grab things He has for you?
You can mistake praying according to your lusts with seeking gifts from God.
When I say you, I mean any of us. Is it really God's will to give you that Porsche?
Love does not seek its own interest, then it really is hard for some people to pray according to God's will.
It takes love, practice, and probably many mistakes in order to understand God's will in all circumstances.
To make mistakes in prayer and ask amiss is something (I believe) we all did at least once in our walk.
"You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures." - James 4:3
We just should be glad that God simply chose His will instead of ours. 
Remember when Jesus was going to face the cross, how He prayed:
"...Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done." - Luke 22:42
Another question is: Can you really pray like this?!
Father, if it is your will give me that Porsche; nevertheless not my will, but Yours be done.
If you cannot, then the Porsche is probably your own will. 
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Post by solid on May 14, 2019 12:14:45 GMT -5
You all have given me a lot to think about. We need to have faith,but God sometimes says no. We need to trust him whether we get what we asked for or not.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 14, 2019 15:27:57 GMT -5
We need to have faith,but God sometimes says no.
"Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
And He said to me,
“My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.”..." - 2 Corinthians 12:8-9
God's will for us is always the best at any given time.
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Post by Sister on May 14, 2019 18:25:13 GMT -5
2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2 Corinthians 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Christians glory in their healings, but how does one glory in their infirmities?
The first thing to always remember when praying to the Father is "thy will be done".
Paul was suffering some type of sickness in the flesh that was annoying him, and prayed for it three times. The Lord told him plainly that he would not heal him (for he had already given Paul sufficient grace) (of the spirit)
We were never promised a perfect flesh body, but if we follow in Christ's commandments - a perfect spirit. To still love the Lord and depend on him for our spiritual needs through suffering is a beautiful thing in the Lord's eyes, for we come to him not for what he can give us, but what we can give him. I am not trying to break anyone's faith, but sometimes what he has given us is sufficient and that is the promise of everlasting life. The change will come, and the pain will end at the appointed time. All according to God's will, and not always according to our will. He has his reasons.
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Post by Dezi on May 14, 2019 18:43:18 GMT -5
Is it God's will to always heal? That is my question. The word of faith ministers say "yes". I used to follow them but not anymore... I have had this illness for so long and I don't know what God's will is anymore and I find myself not asking for healing or deliverance anymore it seems. Although, I do want it!
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 14, 2019 20:37:30 GMT -5
I have had this illness for so long and I don't know what God's will is anymore and I find myself not asking for healing or deliverance anymore it seems. Although, I do want it!
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Post by frienduff on May 14, 2019 20:40:06 GMT -5
The difference is that you must abide in Him. Word faith teachers agree with you. Joyce Meyer says in her teaching that we must abide in Christ and seek His will. She believes as long as you’re a Spirit-filled Christian you can simply reach out and grab what He has for you. When her followes don’t get the same results, she says they either don’t trust God enough or don’t repent of hidden sin. Because joyce and many are frauds . THEY don't abide in Christ . If they did , why they after all that money , why they in positions they got no business being in . She justs uses words is all . She don't abide in Christ and her fruit is massive evidence . Look at what they focus on . Look at what they consider the abundant life as being . YET JESUS even said beware of covetousness , for YOUR LIFE consists NOT in the abundance of what ye posses . THEY THINK IT DOES . They frauds making money off many who love money too and thus sit under them with dreams of more more and the easy life . But YOU ALREADY KNOW ALL THIS . Just cause a broke clock can be right twice a day , don't mean it aint broke and wrong at all other times . They know how to twist scrips . ABIDE IN CHRIST , their fruits show THEY DO NOT .
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Post by frienduff on May 14, 2019 20:46:54 GMT -5
This brings up additional questions you must ask yourself.
Are you genuinely praying according to His will, and are the things you are trying to reach out and grab things He has for you?
You can mistake praying according to your lusts with seeking gifts from God.
When I say you, I mean any of us. Is it really God's will to give you that Porsche?
Love does not seek its own interest, then it really is hard for some people to pray according to God's will.
It takes love, practice, and probably many mistakes in order to understand God's will in all circumstances.
To make mistakes in prayer and ask amiss is something (I believe) we all did at least once in our walk.
"You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures." - James 4:3
We just should be glad that God simply chose His will instead of ours.
Remember when Jesus was going to face the cross, how He prayed:
"...Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done." - Luke 22:42
Another question is: Can you really pray like this?!
Father, if it is your will give me that Porsche; nevertheless not my will, but Yours be done.
If you cannot, then the Porsche is probably your own will.
Blessings!The evidence is the fact its a PORSCHE . Why on earth do we need , NEED to spend money for that mega dollar car . IF our heart is after the LORD , we would be busy taking care of those who really did lack . Lots of folks deceive themselves . Have you seen what those prosperity people say , they make big ados about have not because you ask not . But forgot that KING SOLOMON NEVER ONCE asked for a rich . HE simply prayed for understanding , he did not even ask for the life of his enemies . GOD said , I am gonna also give you what YOU DID NOT ask for , Folks if our mind is on that money , ITS ALL on the wrong place . Paul said it best , LEARN to be content . with food and clothes be content . Let the church look out for those who really do lack . And if any has a real need , let them ask , if any has the means , Even john says their is no love of GOD in them , if they have it by them and yet don't give . What I truly love , is the fact that the early church was taught pure solid truth . They had such great hope , as others have in all ages , that they sold excess and everyone was simply had all hope above and took care of one another . With all HOPE , all affections being above on CHRIST . And they were reminded to do this and keep doing it . Letters , HANDS UP and PRAISE THE LORD . Just let all that has breath , PRAISE the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on May 14, 2019 20:50:23 GMT -5
I have come to the conclusion that if lies had wings , the all inclusive would be an international AIRPORT .
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Post by Cletus on May 14, 2019 21:21:10 GMT -5
The difference is that you must abide in Him. Word faith teachers agree with you. Joyce Meyer says in her teaching that we must abide in Christ and seek His will. She believes as long as you’re a Spirit-filled Christian you can simply reach out and grab what He has for you. When her followes don’t get the same results, she says they either don’t trust God enough or don’t repent of hidden sin. Well i believe that too... did I get you roped in yet? lol.
I believe all we have to do is reach out and God is there and what He has for us too... however i also believe God is God on the mountain top... and in the valley. I also believe God tests us.. trys the reigns if you will. and why... because we will be judged on our words and deeds. He is actually giving us a chance to prove faithful to LIVE (zao) for Him. For we know all things work to the good of those who love God and are called according to His purpose... what this verse says is bad stuff and storms will come... but some take it to mean God is nothing more than a genie in a bottle... we rub the bottle and make a wish... oh how special... to blessed to be stressed... rainbows lolipops unicorns and fairydust witchcraft. All these people believeing the lies are not doing one simple thing God said to do... Learn of Him and His ways. They put their trust in man, a superstar preacher or prophet. this is the same exact thing going on with the hypergrace crowd. they do not realize its not Gods goodness that will save people no matter what... but its His goodness that He cant not judge sin. I used a double negative on purpose, its not a typo. its when we believe these false hoods we limit God to work in our lives in truth... but His arm is not shortened. MIGHTY and GREAT and TERRIBLE and AWESOME is HE. when we say things like "I am a cessationist, then we limit God. we basiclly tell God... this part of your word is not for me, and I dont believe it, and reject it. I dont want it in my life... or in wait for it.... or in MY church. oh my Christ is head of the church.
we need to be careful what we say. the power of life and death is in the tongue. we need to be careful the focus and intent of our heart, and to keep our heart because out of it are the issues of life.
the truth is if we do not put God first in something, He may not intervene or move in it. Jesus Christ is Lord of all... or not at all. no compromises. we do limit God... but God is not a genie in a bottle or an Almighty Being that will allow you to disrespect his LORDship. what kind of king is that? a pushover. Not my Jesus. People are free to worship a false God/god all they want.
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Post by Sister on May 14, 2019 22:11:30 GMT -5
Is it God's will to always heal? That is my question. The word of faith ministers say "yes". I used to follow them but not anymore... I have had this illness for so long and I don't know what God's will is anymore and I find myself not asking for healing or deliverance anymore it seems. Although, I do want it! Hi Dezi,
According to Paul, no. Not everything in the flesh. Every person I know has some little issue with their flesh because the flesh is corruptible, not perfect, hence the reason why we look forward to our change. I get numb hands because my neck discs are pressing against my spinal cord. It happens on and off, and can be really irritating, but I just accept it and learn to live with it. You see I was hurt real bad in a past relationship that my sins led me to. That pain always reminds me of the deliverance I received at a time when I called out to the Father in desperate need. He removed that man far from my life, (what I call a silent miracle) and drew me again to his Word. This is now a battle scar that I carry, and always reminded of a loving Father coming to my rescue when I didn't deserve it. I was there because of my sins, and was reaping what I sowed. I understand that now and what I lost was little compared to what I gained afterwards. It could of been worse if there was no intervention or mercy and I would of been dead, or in hell. The doctors say I should be in a wheelchair, but I have no neck pain and feel strong doing more physical things than most people my age. I have prayed, and he has given me days of relief, but has not healed me completely with my hands. I don't pine on it, and if he heals me one day completely it will be at his mercy and not by my pleading. So all according to his will, not mine. I pray more for things of the spirit, and give glory for all the wonderful things I have received in the knowledge of him, and for all the lessons he's taught me....and for others to have their eyes opened and see his glory, and the wisdom in everything he does. He's in charge.
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Post by PG4Him on May 15, 2019 6:50:53 GMT -5
I believe that God does generally want to heal us of most sickness. There are cases like Paul’s thorn, but they are exceptions. When Jesus was here, He didn’t tell anyone in the gospels they would simply have to suffer. Even Paul was healing people left and right. I’ve seen people struggle with something for years and then get healed/delivered all the sudden.
A particular sickness may be a thorn like Paul’s, or it may not. Discernment is the only way to know.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 15, 2019 10:14:33 GMT -5
A particular sickness may be a thorn like Paul’s, or it may not. Discernment is the only way to know.
But I am still not sure, just have to keep fight against it and endure the situation, and sometimes they let me in an uncomfortable state.
May the Lord have mercy!
One thing that brings me relief is: No ulcers in heaven.
Then, let us suffer a little while we have time!
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Post by John on May 15, 2019 10:24:49 GMT -5
Is it God's will to always heal? That is my question. The word of faith ministers say "yes". I used to follow them but not anymore... I have had this illness for so long and I don't know what God's will is anymore and I find myself not asking for healing or deliverance anymore it seems. Although, I do want it!
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