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Post by joseph on May 28, 2019 17:00:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 17:04:20 GMT -5
Amen, I believe they become one flesh too brother. Just that if the intention of their heart is not to be married then they are engaged in fornication, which is sin, and has consequences as all sin does.
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Post by joseph on May 28, 2019 17:06:41 GMT -5
Amen, I believe they become one flesh too brother. Just that if the intention of their heart is not to be married then they are engaged in fornication, which is sin, and has consequences as all sin does.
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Post by joseph on May 28, 2019 17:10:05 GMT -5
We are surrounded, 'inundated'? , everywhere on earth by sinfulness, at every level.
The sexual sin is horrendous, seems like it is often promoted and also defended (BY CHURCHES!) , and is worse and is beyond what we can comprehend for those girls and boys, women and men, being trafficked for sex or for money or as slaves..... (more every day) ...
The idea of "pure marriage" is UNKNOWN in most churches (according to the questions asked of the pastors/leaders).... they have not joined in union TWO VIRGINS in over 20 years ! (purity is truly that rare in most places)
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 28, 2019 17:12:44 GMT -5
Yes it might be that women are sometimes more apt to be deceived and taken in. I'm in 1,000 percent agreement with inquiring of the Lord with regard to one's potential spouse...and then heeding His reply. I see this a lot, and I know how easy it is to make a precipitate choice.
Thankfully, by the grace and mercy of God, this has not happened in my life.
I do not know if they are teaching this to people in marriage things in church.
Or we are subject to God or we are not. If we follow His will, our life will be much better.
We cannot just decide what is better for us more than Him.
"The blessing of the Lord makes one rich,
And He adds no sorrow with it." - Proverbs 10:22
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Post by joseph on May 28, 2019 17:13:43 GMT -5
Amen, I believe they become one flesh too brother. Just that if the intention of their heart is not to be married then they are engaged in fornication, which is sin, and has consequences as all sin does. As written: 1 Corinthians 6:16 - Do you not know that he who ... - Bible Study Tools www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/6-16-compare.html1 Corinthians 6:16 (NKJV) Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For "the two," He says, "shall become one flesh." ... Likewise even worse, in churches which permit sex outside of marriage, those people (any age) who engage in "approved of" sex (heaven forbids, churches approve of, priests and pastors take part in (daily) ) are "one flesh", and will suffer as God decrees......
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 17:22:40 GMT -5
Yes, it is for sure the devil who hates women and womanhood, not God. We are living in a different kind of world now though...you just seriously would not marry your daughter off to a smutty leering sweating rapist who lives on welfare and hates women....we aren't living in anything close to a theocracy, with peer pressure being put on the perpetrator to behave from now on.... and also women don't often need that kind of protection/provision in our society at present. What a terrible Pandora's box got opened up in the '60's with the so-called sexual revolution (rebellion)....it has snowballed into lusts and sexual crime epidemics of all kinds.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 17:26:08 GMT -5
We are surrounded, 'inundated'? , everywhere on earth by sinfulness, at every level. The sexual sin is horrendous, seems like it is often promoted and also defended (BY CHURCHES!) , and is worse and is beyond what we can comprehend for those girls and boys, women and men, being trafficked for sex or for money or as slaves..... (more every day) ... The idea of "pure marriage" is UNKNOWN in most churches (according to the questions asked of the pastors/leaders).... they have not joined in union TWO VIRGINS in over 20 years ! (purity is truly that rare in most places) Transgression is coming to the full....come quickly Lord Jesus.
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Post by frienduff on May 28, 2019 20:30:57 GMT -5
I have a question here. If lusting after a woman is committing adultery in the heart then most every man would be guilty of committing adultery and therefor a woman could divorce her husband for it? That is why the WORD fornication is used . It has to be the actual act of sex with another . lustful thoughts are not fornication , they can be considered adultery but not fornication . It has to be the physical act .
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Post by frienduff on May 28, 2019 20:36:09 GMT -5
My ex husband was very careful to follow so many of the laws... but he was a very angry person and I rarely saw evidence of true love. I am wondering if this is what you would call Legalistic? Like the Pharisees? and what does the mean about someone? That they have God or not? We should try to obey God's laws. It just sounds like an imperfect person. I can't judge if a person is saved just by that.
Before we continue lets make something even clearer . Was herod , phillip , or Herodias actual true beleivers . NO . YET john told HIM STILL its not lawful for you to have your brothers wife . Let us remember this . Because lots of folks will start making up excuses to how they can leave those wives or husbands . WHEN in fact they cant . The only reason one can remarry , is if it was the cause of fornication . As you said already butero . Cause I can see right now we gonna have folks saying , well my first husband believed , but was he considered a believer if this or that . Doing anything to try and justify a reason for remarriage . Ladies , if your husband did not commit fornication against you , NO REMARRIAGE , HUSBANDS the same for you .
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Post by frienduff on May 28, 2019 20:42:35 GMT -5
Ok so from what I am reading here the ONLY reason for a divorce is adultery and nothing else at all so I am asking you to think about this ( and not because I feel I have done wrong but so anyone else coming here doesn't stay in a dangerous situation ) I was married when I was 18 ( he was a widower with two children and was 15 years older than me ) Within the first two years of our marriage he committed adultery with at least two women and had a child with one of them ( the child was then adopted ) I forgave him and stayed married Within the 10 years I remained in that marriage I had 4 children and was kept virtually a prisoner … I was not allowed out of the house unless he knew where I was going , had to take some but not all the children with me ( so I couldn't leave as I would have been leaving some of my children behind ) and was given a time to complete what I had to do and was punished if I was even a few minuets late Punishment could be physical .. being hit in places that no one would see or that could be explained away as me walking into a door etc or not being allowed to leave the house ( he nailed the windows shut and took all the money so I couldn't leave ) Or it could be mental abuse such as being kept up all night to do silly things that he wanted done or even raped ( although until recently there was no rape in marriage ) FINALLY he got so drunk he didn't take care and beat me so much that I ended up with a fractured skull broken jaw, several broken ribs and so many bruises you coudnt see my body for them and a face so swollen I couldn't be recognised THAT got me into a shelter and a lawyer for free so I could divorce him BUT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS BEING SAID HERE SINCE I HAD FORGIVEN THE ADULTERY I HAD NO GROUNDS TO DIVORCE HIM !! ( NO I have never remarried or even looked at another man in the past 38 years and he died apparently about 5 years ago but since he never saw or paid any maintenance for the children they only way I know he has died is because someone saw it on a face book page somewhere and told me about a year after he died ) BUT from what has been said here for over 30 years I was living in sin as I divorced him and not for adultery I do not for one moment believe that I sinned in leaving my husband and taking my children to safety BUT if someone comes here in the same circumstances and reads these threads I am afraid they may feel they have to stay in such a position especially is they are new to faith and that could result in them being murdered !! |Been praying for a way to say this without causing offence or appearing to condone divorce in an unbiblical situation but the only way I could do it was to tell it as it was and ask for you to try not to make anyone feel there is no hope ) Paul says they can separate . You were okay , you never REMARRIED . YOU stayed single . All is well dear sister . all is well . A beaten woman can leave or etc , but they or the man too has to remain single is all . You did just fine dear sister .
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 6:49:10 GMT -5
We should try to obey God's laws. It just sounds like an imperfect person. I can't judge if a person is saved just by that.
Before we continue lets make something even clearer . Was herod , phillip , or Herodias actual true beleivers . NO . YET john told HIM STILL its not lawful for you to have your brothers wife . Let us remember this . Because lots of folks will start making up excuses to how they can leave those wives or husbands . WHEN in fact they cant . The only reason one can remarry , is if it was the cause of fornication . As you said already butero . Cause I can see right now we gonna have folks saying , well my first husband believed , but was he considered a believer if this or that . Doing anything to try and justify a reason for remarriage . Ladies , if your husband did not commit fornication against you , NO REMARRIAGE , HUSBANDS the same for you .
Amen...cases of adultery/fornication. And I believe also that in cases of marriage between a believer and unbeliever, if the unbelieving spouse departs, the believing spouse is no longer bound to the marriage, as Paul wrote. (Whereas when there is separation between two believers, the believers are still bound to the marriage but just living apart, unless one commits adultery or remarries during that time of separation.) Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant by the point about Herod, brother, hard for me to concentrate lately, but just to mention that Herod and company were under the Law, however believers, Jew or Gentile, are not under the Law ever since it got nailed to the cross. The Law says that a man cannot marry his brother's wife as long as the brother is still living (I think even when there has been a legal divorce).....that is the specific Law that John was upholding. John's ministry was before the cross, and he was the last and greatest prophet under the Law, and upheld the Law. Isn't it incredible to think that the least in the kingdom of heaven under the new covenant is greater than John the Baptist......because the new covenant is greater than the Law, and purchased our liberty from it.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 6:51:50 GMT -5
I have a question here. If lusting after a woman is committing adultery in the heart then most every man would be guilty of committing adultery and therefor a woman could divorce her husband for it? That is why the WORD fornication is used . It has to be the actual act of sex with another . lustful thoughts are not fornication , they can be considered adultery but not fornication . It has to be the physical act .
Amen. If one spouse becomes one flesh with another, then they have broken their marriage covenant with their spouse.
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Post by frienduff on May 29, 2019 8:28:18 GMT -5
Sister watchful and all , let us dig and feast even more on the bible and be ever encouraged in the Lord .
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Post by joseph on May 29, 2019 9:09:56 GMT -5
Amen. If one spouse becomes one flesh with another, then they have broken their marriage covenant with their spouse. No. The two who became one by Yahuweh (God) putting the two together ("what Yahuweh has put together") can, Yahuweh Willing, still be one for the rest of their lives. "Justification" His Way, for sin, when He Says, is then "just as if never sinned", for any sin 'covered' when TORAH is properly understood. He hates divorce, and says so very very definitely. Some of the "excuses" claimed , rather most of the time, (even "as if" Biblically), are not valid in His Sight (and He Sees Everything) .
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