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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 16:07:00 GMT -5
Bless you Dezi...be encouraged in the Lord sister. I believe the devil often keeps souls ensnared "illegally", so it does often take a fight of faith, seeking the Lord, standing on His word, repenting as needed, etc, in order to get loosed from a stronghold.
Mat 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm. Mar 4:40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The unbelieving and fearful in the context of Rev. 21:8 I am quite sure is speaking of those who know not Christ....who have not received faith to believe in Him. (Early on the disciples had not yet received the Holy Spirit.)
I pray you will be comforted and encouraged by these verses...you are probably well familiar with them already:
Deu 1:21
Behold, the LORD thy God hath set the land before thee: go up and possess it, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath said unto thee; fear not, neither be discouraged.
Deu 20:3
And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them;
Deu 31:6
Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.
Deu 31:8
And the LORD, he it is that doth go before thee; he will be with thee, he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee: fear not, neither be dismayed.
Jos 8:1
And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land:
Jos 10:25
And Joshua said unto them, Fear not, nor be dismayed, be strong and of good courage: for thus shall the LORD do to all your enemies against whom ye fight.
Isa 35:4
Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
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Post by Dezi on Jun 9, 2019 20:04:16 GMT -5
Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. — Hebrews 10:35-39There are numerous verses in the NT that touch on this. It refers to people who abandon God because they can’t handle adversity, and they succumb to the world because they’re afraid of the world, but then they dread judgment day. It becomes an infinite loop of fearing both sides. It has nothing to do with biological phobias. PG... I really need to write that down because this verse is plaguing me. I mean it doesn't really say who the Fearful are... I even looked it up in the Strongs concordance and it simply means Faithless. So that seems to me like it could be everyone... most people have some sort of fear in their lives... maybe not to the extent I do but they have some form of it. I have a biological condition that started all of this and I started having panic attacks just out of the blue. No apparent reason for them. I was under a lot of stress but that came from being molested and I didn't know how to cope with it. So, I just don't know.
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Post by Dezi on Jun 9, 2019 20:07:41 GMT -5
Bless you Dezi...be encouraged in the Lord sister. I believe the devil often keeps souls ensnared "illegally", so it does often take a fight of faith, seeking the Lord, standing on His word, repenting as needed, etc, in order to get loosed from a stronghold. Mat 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm. Mar 4:40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. The unbelieving and fearful in the context of Rev. 21:8 I am quite sure is speaking of those who know not Christ....who have not received faith to believe in Him. (Early on the disciples had not yet received the Holy Spirit.) I pray you will be comforted and encouraged by these verses...you are probably well familiar with them already: Deu 1:21 Behold, the LORD thy God hath set the land before thee: go up and possess it, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath said unto thee; fear not, neither be discouraged. Deu 20:3 And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them; Deu 31:6 Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. Deu 31:8 And the LORD, he it is that doth go before thee; he will be with thee, he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee: fear not, neither be dismayed. Jos 8:1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: Jos 10:25 And Joshua said unto them, Fear not, nor be dismayed, be strong and of good courage: for thus shall the LORD do to all your enemies against whom ye fight. Isa 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. Thank you sister Watchful! I need all the encouragement I can get. I know I love the Lord and have a hard time accepting that I am displeasing him with feelings of fear, panic, and phobias.
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Post by Dezi on Jun 9, 2019 20:39:19 GMT -5
Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. — Hebrews 10:35-39There are numerous verses in the NT that touch on this. It refers to people who abandon God because they can’t handle adversity, and they succumb to the world because they’re afraid of the world, but then they dread judgment day. It becomes an infinite loop of fearing both sides. It has nothing to do with biological phobias. I am wondering if this could be like the opposite of what we think of when God says to "Fear" Him. Basically, it's not having phobic reaction to Him but it's having respect and awe of who he is and what he could do. So maybe this type of fearful is someone that does not respect God's authority but they are fearful of living for God?
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 10, 2019 5:36:43 GMT -5
Sister Dezi, I think you are having a phobic reaction about your phobic reactions. Go back up and read more of that chapter in Hebrews. It is definitely dealing with unfaithful, unreliable people who lose their confidence in God.
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Post by John on Jun 14, 2019 16:55:57 GMT -5
Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. — Hebrews 10:35-39There are numerous verses in the NT that touch on this. It refers to people who abandon God because they can’t handle adversity, and they succumb to the world because they’re afraid of the world, but then they dread judgment day. It becomes an infinite loop of fearing both sides. It has nothing to do with biological phobias. I am wondering if this could be like the opposite of what we think of when God says to "Fear" Him. Basically, it's not having phobic reaction to Him but it's having respect and awe of who he is and what he could do. So maybe this type of fearful is someone that does not respect God's authority but they are fearful of living for God? Dezi, do you really believe that God would throw someone in hell because they have an illness? That person accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is doing all they know to do to please Him, but he rejects them because they have an illness? If we were speaking of anyone but yourself, would you think that of them? That is where grace comes in. You know I reject OSAS, but neither do I believe God gets pleasure in throwing people into the lake of fire that He can see love Jesus and are doing their best. I know that if I fail to warn a sinner to repent, their blood is on my hands, and I am telling you that I do not believe you will go to hell because you suffer from phobias. That doesn't mean you shouldn't seek to be delivered of your phobias, and asking God to help you with any unbelief you may have, but if you trust Jesus and do your best, you will be accepted in heaven.
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Post by Dezi on Jun 14, 2019 17:06:07 GMT -5
I am wondering if this could be like the opposite of what we think of when God says to "Fear" Him. Basically, it's not having phobic reaction to Him but it's having respect and awe of who he is and what he could do. So maybe this type of fearful is someone that does not respect God's authority but they are fearful of living for God? Dezi, do you really believe that God would throw someone in hell because they have an illness? That person accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is doing all they know to do to please Him, but he rejects them because they have an illness? If we were speaking of anyone but yourself, would you think that of them? That is where grace comes in. You know I reject OSAS, but neither do I believe God gets pleasure in throwing people into the lake of fire that He can see love Jesus and are doing their best. I know that if I fail to warn a sinner to repent, their blood is on my hands, and I am telling you that I do not believe you will go to hell because you suffer from phobias. That doesn't mean you shouldn't seek to be delivered of your phobias, and asking God to help you with any unbelief you may have, but if you trust Jesus and do your best, you will be accepted in heaven. Butero... I agree that it sounds crazy that he would reject me over it but at the same time I know some of God's rules and regulations don't always make sense to me. Like marriage... to me it makes sense that we can't always make a marriage work and that when we are not seeking God in our lives it can become even more difficult to make a relationship work without the Lord. So, I guess I am just trying to follow what God says to do. I wish beyond anything that I had not formed these phobias but when someone has a panic attack (for me many of them) then it's hard to fight the fear in that moment. When I think of going places I think it's silly to feel afraid... but when I get out there the fear of the attack comes on me again and that causes it to happen. I know I have to desensitize myself to the fear reaction but going through withdrawals has been so bad... I don't even feel like I'm human most of the time. It's beyond anything anybody could even imagine. So, I feel like coming off the drugs was brave in itself. I didn't have to as my Dr. would have kept me on them indefinitely. I just feel like they were making me worse, and I was not trusting God but trusting a drug... that makes it my idol. So, I have gotten rid of that one and have two to go. It was just hard to hear a preacher say that and read that scripture. He believes that to be true. Anyway.... I so appreciate your input. I needed the reassurance. Sometimes I have a hard time processing my thoughts right now and can easily be frightened by such statements as the one that I heard the preacher say. I need people who can reassure me, but I basically have no people in my life other than my kids and parents. My parents are like true baby Christians as they don't seek the Lord on a regular basis.
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Post by John on Jun 14, 2019 17:17:59 GMT -5
Dezi, do you really believe that God would throw someone in hell because they have an illness? That person accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is doing all they know to do to please Him, but he rejects them because they have an illness? If we were speaking of anyone but yourself, would you think that of them? That is where grace comes in. You know I reject OSAS, but neither do I believe God gets pleasure in throwing people into the lake of fire that He can see love Jesus and are doing their best. I know that if I fail to warn a sinner to repent, their blood is on my hands, and I am telling you that I do not believe you will go to hell because you suffer from phobias. That doesn't mean you shouldn't seek to be delivered of your phobias, and asking God to help you with any unbelief you may have, but if you trust Jesus and do your best, you will be accepted in heaven. Butero... I agree that it sounds crazy that he would reject me over it but at the same time I know some of God's rules and regulations don't always make sense to me. Like marriage... to me it makes sense that we can't always make a marriage work and that when we are not seeking God in our lives it can become even more difficult to make a relationship work without the Lord. So, I guess I am just trying to follow what God says to do. I wish beyond anything that I had not formed these phobias but when someone has a panic attack (for me many of them) then it's hard to fight the fear in that moment. When I think of going places I think it's silly to feel afraid... but when I get out there the fear of the attack comes on me again and that causes it to happen. I know I have to desensitize myself to the fear reaction but going through withdrawals has been so bad... I don't even feel like I'm human most of the time. It's beyond anything anybody could even imagine. So, I feel like coming off the drugs was brave in itself. I didn't have to as my Dr. would have kept me on them indefinitely. I just feel like they were making me worse, and I was not trusting God but trusting a drug... that makes it my idol. So, I have gotten rid of that one and have two to go. It was just hard to hear a preacher say that and read that scripture. He believes that to be true. Anyway.... I so appreciate your input. I needed the reassurance. Sometimes I have a hard time processing my thoughts right now and can easily be frightened by such statements as the one that I heard the preacher say. I need people who can reassure me, but I basically have no people in my life other than my kids and parents. My parents are like true baby Christians as they don't seek the Lord on a regular basis. I don't think you are silly or crazy. I think you are a very smart lady who may have struggles, but is making good progress. I can see God working in your life. I fear God too much to lie to you or anyone else. God can deliver you from your phobias totally and completely, but sometimes it happens over time, not right away. God looks at our heart. He knows when we are doing our best. That minister you heard likely believes what he said, but I believe that his interpretation is wrong. When I warn people about their sins, I do so to lead them to repentance. How can I lead a person who is ill to stop being sick? I am creating for them a hopeless situation. How can that be of God? That would be like having a minister believe that a person who has cancer is going to hell, and telling them so. What is the message of hope for that person? Get well or go to hell? I have never seen any of the Old Testament Prophets, God himself, or any of the Apostles ever preach that someone had to do something that was impossible to be saved, ever.
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Post by Dezi on Jun 14, 2019 18:03:11 GMT -5
Butero... I agree that it sounds crazy that he would reject me over it but at the same time I know some of God's rules and regulations don't always make sense to me. Like marriage... to me it makes sense that we can't always make a marriage work and that when we are not seeking God in our lives it can become even more difficult to make a relationship work without the Lord. So, I guess I am just trying to follow what God says to do. I wish beyond anything that I had not formed these phobias but when someone has a panic attack (for me many of them) then it's hard to fight the fear in that moment. When I think of going places I think it's silly to feel afraid... but when I get out there the fear of the attack comes on me again and that causes it to happen. I know I have to desensitize myself to the fear reaction but going through withdrawals has been so bad... I don't even feel like I'm human most of the time. It's beyond anything anybody could even imagine. So, I feel like coming off the drugs was brave in itself. I didn't have to as my Dr. would have kept me on them indefinitely. I just feel like they were making me worse, and I was not trusting God but trusting a drug... that makes it my idol. So, I have gotten rid of that one and have two to go. It was just hard to hear a preacher say that and read that scripture. He believes that to be true. Anyway.... I so appreciate your input. I needed the reassurance. Sometimes I have a hard time processing my thoughts right now and can easily be frightened by such statements as the one that I heard the preacher say. I need people who can reassure me, but I basically have no people in my life other than my kids and parents. My parents are like true baby Christians as they don't seek the Lord on a regular basis. I don't think you are silly or crazy. I think you are a very smart lady who may have struggles, but is making good progress. I can see God working in your life. I fear God too much to lie to you or anyone else. God can deliver you from your phobias totally and completely, but sometimes it happens over time, not right away. God looks at our heart. He knows when we are doing our best. That minister you heard likely believes what he said, but I believe that his interpretation is wrong. When I warn people about their sins, I do so to lead them to repentance. How can I lead a person who is ill to stop being sick? I am creating for them a hopeless situation. How can that be of God? That would be like having a minister believe that a person who has cancer is going to hell, and telling them so. What is the message of hope for that person? Get well or go to hell? I have never seen any of the Old Testament Prophets, God himself, or any of the Apostles ever preach that someone had to do something that was impossible to be saved, ever. I Honestly think that being on those meds was making my whole situation impossible because I was in tolerance to the drugs..I would have had to go up in dosage to get the same effects as the beginning but even that may not have worked as eventually the meds just stop working and all the side effects are there. So, I did this believing that this is part of the answer. If I now can just allow time to pass and let my body and mind heal from this and then I can move forward in making progress. I'm not quite sure why the word of God would use the word Fearful in this passage. I think it should have said fearful of something. Like Fearful of serving God or something. It's just a bit confusing. I know the Word does not say anywhere that Sick people will go to hell. So, not sure why it says Fearful people will.
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Post by John on Jun 14, 2019 18:11:21 GMT -5
I don't think you are silly or crazy. I think you are a very smart lady who may have struggles, but is making good progress. I can see God working in your life. I fear God too much to lie to you or anyone else. God can deliver you from your phobias totally and completely, but sometimes it happens over time, not right away. God looks at our heart. He knows when we are doing our best. That minister you heard likely believes what he said, but I believe that his interpretation is wrong. When I warn people about their sins, I do so to lead them to repentance. How can I lead a person who is ill to stop being sick? I am creating for them a hopeless situation. How can that be of God? That would be like having a minister believe that a person who has cancer is going to hell, and telling them so. What is the message of hope for that person? Get well or go to hell? I have never seen any of the Old Testament Prophets, God himself, or any of the Apostles ever preach that someone had to do something that was impossible to be saved, ever. I Honestly think that being on those meds was making my whole situation impossible because I was in tolerance to the drugs..I would have had to go up in dosage to get the same effects as the beginning but even that may not have worked as eventually the meds just stop working and all the side effects are there. So, I did this believing that this is part of the answer. If I now can just allow time to pass and let my body and mind heal from this and then I can move forward in making progress. I'm not quite sure why the word of God would use the word Fearful in this passage. I think it should have said fearful of something. Like Fearful of serving God or something. It's just a bit confusing. I know the Word does not say anywhere that Sick people will go to hell. So, not sure why it says Fearful people will. I believe that in context, it is speaking of those who allow fear to cause them to turn away from God to serve the anti-Christ to save themselves. Fear can cause a person to sin, so I believe that is what it is speaking of. It is a fear that causes people to lose faith in God or make their life down here of more importance than where they will spend eternity. Still, I do understand how this word can cause people anxiety, and how a well meaning minister could take it wrong.
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