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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 9:46:30 GMT -5
Friends, I understand the sentimental attachment to the King James, but it is man's interpretation of the original languages, and the men who translated the Scripture into Old English were not sainted above the original writers of God's Word. And personally, I LOVE the King Jimmy! But I don't want to settle for something less than the fullness of God's great plan and purpose. I've received many responses here... all very emotional, but lacking Scriptural support. We have to back up everything we believe with the written Word; which I believe we can all agree was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. I pray the KJV-only stance does not become a stumbling block or cause of unnecessary dispute among the saints. I know some here will receive the Truth I've shared concerning the Tabernacle of God, His resting place; that is not as clear in the King James English, or most of the modern translations. So, in obedience to the Lord God, I will continue to share where He provides opportunity, as long as allowed, and plant and water and let Him bring the increase in those He has called. We're not there yet, saints! We're at Pentecost in the church at large today. We've got the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and that great fulfillment of Tabernacles still to come. “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We." - John 17:9-11
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Post by John on Jun 18, 2019 10:25:46 GMT -5
Friends, I understand the sentimental attachment to the King James, but it is man's interpretation of the original languages, and the men who translated the Scripture into Old English were not sainted above the original writers of God's Word. And personally, I LOVE the King Jimmy! But I don't want to settle for something less than the fullness of God's great plan and purpose. I've received many responses here... all very emotional, but lacking Scriptural support. We have to back up everything we believe with the written Word; which I believe we can all agree was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. I pray the KJV-only stance does not become a stumbling block or cause of unnecessary dispute among the saints. I know some here will receive the Truth I've shared concerning the Tabernacle of God, His resting place; that is not as clear in the King James English, or most of the modern translations. So, in obedience to the Lord God, I will continue to share where He provides opportunity, as long as allowed, and plant and water and let Him bring the increase in those He has called. We're not there yet, saints! We're at Pentecost in the church at large today. We've got the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and that great fulfillment of Tabernacles still to come. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic manuscripts that exist today differ from the trusted Textus Receptus, so we do not agree on this either. If you or anyone posts anything that opposes the KJV Bible, the KJV Bible is true.
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Post by John on Jun 18, 2019 10:34:54 GMT -5
By the way Michael, you have given no scriptural support to show justification for modern translations altering the Biblical canon or shown proof that any Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic manuscripts that exist today are perfect replicas of the originals.
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 18, 2019 11:52:11 GMT -5
What were you expecting here, Michael? You thought us KJV folks were superstitious primitives clinging to our grandmother’s Bible? That there’s no good reason to be KJV other than a quaint sentiment for the good old days? Cute King Jimmy had his day in the sun but is now obsolete? You figured you could expand our horizons by tossing out a few bits of education? You may understand a “sentimental attachment” to King James, but you haven’t a clue why I am loyal to KJV. I’ve explained it, but you still don’t get it. In one ear and out the other as you carry on with the sentiment assumption.
Saying you want the fullness of God’s word is not a rebuttal — it’s really just a soft accusation that we somehow don’t want it. Why do my answers lack Scriptural support? Because they disagree with you? Where have I gone wrong? Jesus didn’t say the spaces were already in Father’s house? He didn’t say He was going to prepare them? You haven’t corrected me on a single point. All you’ve done is make snarky comments that we should outgrow our sentiments for the sake of really knowing God’s word.
If you are not willing to consider the possibility that we might be your intellectual peers, this will continue to exist as a stumblingblock. And to be honest, I’m a busy person who doesn’t need that in my life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 14:50:45 GMT -5
What were you expecting here, Michael? You thought us KJV folks were superstitious primitives clinging to our grandmother’s Bible? That there’s no good reason to be KJV other than a quaint sentiment for the good old days? Cute King Jimmy had his day in the sun but is now obsolete? You figured you could expand our horizons by tossing out a few bits of education? You may understand a “sentimental attachment” to King James, but you haven’t a clue why I am loyal to KJV. I’ve explained it, but you still don’t get it. In one ear and out the other as you carry on with the sentiment assumption. Saying you want the fullness of God’s word is not a rebuttal — it’s really just a soft accusation that we somehow don’t want it. Why do my answers lack Scriptural support? Because they disagree with you? Where have I gone wrong? Jesus didn’t say the spaces were already in Father’s house? He didn’t say He was going to prepare them? You haven’t corrected me on a single point. All you’ve done is make snarky comments that we should outgrow our sentiments for the sake of really knowing God’s word. If you are not willing to consider the possibility that we might be your intellectual peers, this will continue to exist as a stumblingblock. And to be honest, I’m a busy person who doesn’t need that in my life. Not accusing anyone here of not wanting the fullness of God. Just stating where I am at. Surprised a little at the attacks and tone of response. Similar to another forum, and similar to what Jeremiah, Paul, and Jesus experienced. Not going to argue King James anymore. As long as God and man allows, I'll keep sharing Truth, using whatever Scripture the Lord leads me to use, and leave the rest to Him. If I become a nuisance here, I will move on. This is not at all about me, it's about HIM. I'm sorry. I'm just too old and have experienced too much in both the physical and spiritual realms to allow myself to be distracted by issues or sacred cows that are outside the Scripture. Peace & Blessings to all who walk with Jesus. "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
10 Have kindly affection one for another with brotherly love, in honor preferring one another;
11 not slothful in business; fervent in spirit, serving the Lord;
12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing instant in prayer;
13 distributing to the necessity of saints, given to hospitality.
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and curse not.
15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Set not your mind on high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
17 Recompense no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."- Rom 12:9-18 Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 15:01:14 GMT -5
We can discuss the conceptual idea of what this house is all about. That’s well and good. But let’s not pretend that abode means guest room. If we’re going to litigate these supposedly archaic English words, let’s at least make sure we know what we’re doing. Most of us aren't lawyers sis....just ordinary folks doing our best to express our understanding. If we take each other too literally and splice and dice everything too finely we will miss the point of not only what each other is trying to convey, but also what the bible is trying to convey. For example, I'm sure the idea of a hotel was only intended to express a point pictorially, rather than intending to convey the idea of a literal function as a temporary residence. The Father's house does have many rooms or dwelling places, no question about it....that is shown clearly in God's instructions on building the literal physical Temple, in case my post was missed earlier. And since Jesus was speaking in spirit, we need the Spirit to help us understand...it's more than just a question of reading comprehension.
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Post by joseph on Jun 18, 2019 15:14:51 GMT -5
We can discuss the conceptual idea of what this house is all about. That’s well and good. But let’s not pretend that abode means guest room. If we’re going to litigate these supposedly archaic English words, let’s at least make sure we know what we’re doing. Most of us aren't lawyers sis....just ordinary folks doing our best to express our understanding. If we take each other too literally and splice and dice everything too finely we will miss the point of not only what each other is trying to convey, but also what the bible is trying to convey. For example, I'm sure the idea of a hotel was only intended to express a point pictorially, rather than intending to convey the idea of a literal function as a temporary residence. The Father's house does have many rooms or dwelling places, no question about it....that is shown clearly in God's instructions on building the literal physical Temple, in case my post was missed earlier. And since Jesus was speaking in spirit, we need the Spirit to help us understand...it's more than just a question of reading comprehension. Yes. A lot is misunderstood because of adherence to tradition instead of to truth, and a lack of always seeking the truth. This is very common - much more common to believe traditions than to seek the truth until the truth is found. Excerpt for edification of 'method' or seeking truth to avoid or reverse previous errors: "iv. Where Different but Concurrent Usages of Words Should be Observed in the English. Quite apart from age or clime there are many Greek words which the Holy Spirit Himself uses in different connections, and with varying meanings. These can be easily seen, observed, and classified; and our English renderings can and must be made to conform to them. Unlike our last division ( No. iii. above) this is work for the English reader, who is at no disadvantage with the Greek scholar, provided he uses our Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament . It is designed for English readers; and, though the Greek words are given, the truth can be gained without looking at them; for they are numbered, and the reference is to the meaning given under that number. The use of that book will enable the student to find out, at a glance, under the English word, the Greek word which is so translated. The index will tell him whether the word is translated otherwise elsewhere; and, if so, under what renderings he can find them. At this stage he will be able to use more readily the Englishman's Greek Concordance and easily make out a list of all the occurrences of the word in question. It is here that his real study of this branch of our subject will begin. For now he must turn to every passage, and note how the Holy Spirit uses the word; and when he has all the data before him he will soon discover whether the usage is uniform; or whether there is more than one sense in which the word is employed. " www.markfoster.net/rn/how_to_enjoy_the_bible_bullinger.pdf
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Post by John on Jun 18, 2019 15:24:37 GMT -5
What were you expecting here, Michael? You thought us KJV folks were superstitious primitives clinging to our grandmother’s Bible? That there’s no good reason to be KJV other than a quaint sentiment for the good old days? Cute King Jimmy had his day in the sun but is now obsolete? You figured you could expand our horizons by tossing out a few bits of education? You may understand a “sentimental attachment” to King James, but you haven’t a clue why I am loyal to KJV. I’ve explained it, but you still don’t get it. In one ear and out the other as you carry on with the sentiment assumption. Saying you want the fullness of God’s word is not a rebuttal — it’s really just a soft accusation that we somehow don’t want it. Why do my answers lack Scriptural support? Because they disagree with you? Where have I gone wrong? Jesus didn’t say the spaces were already in Father’s house? He didn’t say He was going to prepare them? You haven’t corrected me on a single point. All you’ve done is make snarky comments that we should outgrow our sentiments for the sake of really knowing God’s word. If you are not willing to consider the possibility that we might be your intellectual peers, this will continue to exist as a stumblingblock. And to be honest, I’m a busy person who doesn’t need that in my life. Not accusing anyone here of not wanting the fullness of God. Just stating where I am at. Surprised a little at the attacks and tone of response. Similar to another forum, and similar to what Jeremiah, Paul, and Jesus experienced. Not going to argue King James anymore. As long as God and man allows, I'll keep sharing Truth, using whatever Scripture the Lord leads me to use, and leave the rest to Him. If I become a nuisance here, I will move on. This is not at all about me, it's about HIM. I'm sorry. I'm just too old and have experienced too much in both the physical and spiritual realms to allow myself to be distracted by issues or sacred cows that are outside the Scripture. Peace & Blessings to all who walk with Jesus. "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
10 Have kindly affection one for another with brotherly love, in honor preferring one another;
11 not slothful in business; fervent in spirit, serving the Lord;
12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing instant in prayer;
13 distributing to the necessity of saints, given to hospitality.
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and curse not.
15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Set not your mind on high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
17 Recompense no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."- Rom 12:9-18 Amen. I don't care what forum you go to, they are going to have some kind of basic Statement of Faith, and when they post that, they are telling you that attacks against those things are off limits. Every forum deals with attacks on what you call sacred cows differently. When you went against the SOF at the other forum, you were called a non-conformist and blocked from accessing most of their message board. What I generally do here is allow this kind of thing to go on for a period of time, depending on the issue, and then start removing posts or editing them. That has not occurred in this instance yet, but I did have to do that with another member who chose to leave rather than not be able to attack the KJV Bible or the KJV only position.
Nobody is prevented from teaching doctrine or posting scripture from whatever Bible translation they wish. What they can't do is continually attack the way the KJV words things or post derogatory comments about those who are KJV only. That still leaves a lot of flexibility to discuss a lot of topics with few restrictions. We don't have that much in the SOF, and we are not seeking to find fault to kick people out. I also am not going to make up a violation where none exists like they will do at the other message board. If it is not mentioned in the SOF or Message to Visitors, I am not going to just kick someone out. Even if the SOF has to be revised, nothing done before the revision is made will be used against anyone, and the changes will be announced.
You seemed to have missed the main point of what PG4Him was saying. Your posts were very condescending, and they were making out like those who are KJV only are uneducated rubes. It must be because they were brought up that way, that is all Grandma approved of, or one of my old favorites, "If the KJV was good enough for Paul, it is good enough for me." We have legitimate reasons for what we believe. But I am willing to put all of this behind us since you have said you don't plan to bring it up again, neither will I write off what you have to say because we happen to disagree on this one issue. Keep posting. Keep linking videos, so long as they are not attacks on something in our SOF, and share whatever the Lord lays on your heart to share.
I really only have one major issue with the other board. They play games with their beliefs. They are not honest. They have nothing in their SOF about holding to a belief in OSAS, yet they seek to find fault in those who do so they can accuse them and run them off, while letting those who hold to OSAS have a lot more lead way. I have no issue with them having a SOF, and expecting those who are members to respect it by not attacking what is in it. What got me angry with them was that I was not in disagreement with their SOF, but was placed in the non-conformist status anyway on the whims of George. I believe in the principal of where there is no law, there is no transgression. You should not penalize anyone for transgressing a non-existent rule or for violating a rule that has not been put in place as of yet. Even in our legal system, they cannot do that. Any message board must have a basic belief system, or it is a free for all, where every heresy under the sun is promoted. That could include a complete rejection of the physical resurrection of Jesus or something that serious.
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Post by John on Jun 18, 2019 15:31:54 GMT -5
We can discuss the conceptual idea of what this house is all about. That’s well and good. But let’s not pretend that abode means guest room. If we’re going to litigate these supposedly archaic English words, let’s at least make sure we know what we’re doing. Most of us aren't lawyers sis....just ordinary folks doing our best to express our understanding. If we take each other too literally and splice and dice everything too finely we will miss the point of not only what each other is trying to convey, but also what the bible is trying to convey. For example, I'm sure the idea of a hotel was only intended to express a point pictorially, rather than intending to convey the idea of a literal function as a temporary residence. The Father's house does have many rooms or dwelling places, no question about it....that is shown clearly in God's instructions on building the literal physical Temple, in case my post was missed earlier. And since Jesus was speaking in spirit, we need the Spirit to help us understand...it's more than just a question of reading comprehension. The Father's house has many mansions. The question is, what is the Father's house? There are scriptures that make it clear that a mere building cannot hold God's presence. That was stated by Solomon at the building of the temple. Where is the throne located? Is it inside of a palace, or is it outdoors? When Stephen looked up and saw Jesus at the right hand of the Father, where was the throne? Was it inside of a building, or along a street of gold? My opinion is that the Father's house is all of heaven, and the mansions in the Father's house are literal mansions, but I can see it the other way, where the Father's house is a magnificent palace with rooms so massive in size, they are called a mansion. I do not believe the word room or dwelling place is adequate to describe it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 18:08:26 GMT -5
Most of us aren't lawyers sis....just ordinary folks doing our best to express our understanding. If we take each other too literally and splice and dice everything too finely we will miss the point of not only what each other is trying to convey, but also what the bible is trying to convey. For example, I'm sure the idea of a hotel was only intended to express a point pictorially, rather than intending to convey the idea of a literal function as a temporary residence. The Father's house does have many rooms or dwelling places, no question about it....that is shown clearly in God's instructions on building the literal physical Temple, in case my post was missed earlier. And since Jesus was speaking in spirit, we need the Spirit to help us understand...it's more than just a question of reading comprehension. The Father's house has many mansions. The question is, what is the Father's house? There are scriptures that make it clear that a mere building cannot hold God's presence. That was stated by Solomon at the building of the temple. Where is the throne located? Is it inside of a palace, or is it outdoors? When Stephen looked up and saw Jesus at the right hand of the Father, where was the throne? Was it inside of a building, or along a street of gold? My opinion is that the Father's house is all of heaven, and the mansions in the Father's house are literal mansions, but I can see it the other way, where the Father's house is a magnificent palace with rooms so massive in size, they are called a mansion. I do not believe the word room or dwelling place is adequate to describe it.I take it to be just an allegory for something spiritual (heavenly) rather than referring to literal rooms or houses. The Temple itself was also an allegory. It means more than I know......but Jesus spoke those words before the Holy Spirit was given......and since then we have been seated in heavenly places. It also seems to be a reference to how the betrothed bridegroom goes to prepare a place for his bride (a newly built chamber in the house of his father) in advance of their wedding day. And as Letters (2fw) brought out we will put off our earthly tent and receive our glorified bodies (tents/tabernacles/abodes). So Jesus could have been alluding to any or all of those things and maybe more. 1Co 2:9-11 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
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Post by Sister on Jun 18, 2019 18:59:22 GMT -5
We can discuss the conceptual idea of what this house is all about. That’s well and good. But let’s not pretend that abode means guest room. If we’re going to litigate these supposedly archaic English words, let’s at least make sure we know what we’re doing. Most of us aren't lawyers sis....just ordinary folks doing our best to express our understanding. If we take each other too literally and splice and dice everything too finely we will miss the point of not only what each other is trying to convey, but also what the bible is trying to convey. For example, I'm sure the idea of a hotel was only intended to express a point pictorially, rather than intending to convey the idea of a literal function as a temporary residence. The Father's house does have many rooms or dwelling places, no question about it....that is shown clearly in God's instructions on building the literal physical Temple, in case my post was missed earlier. And since Jesus was speaking in spirit, we need the Spirit to help us understand...it's more than just a question of reading comprehension. Well said watchful. I love that calming spirit in you girl! I was the one who mentioned the word hotel, because of what Michael said, I didn't see it meaning any thing different than what I understand. The Father's house does have many places and levels. For example. The witnesses who I strongly believe are Enoch and Elijah never saw death. They are kept in one room. They wont stay in that room forever where they are now because when they return they will be killed for the first time after their testimony. Then go onto another higher level. So that's one room there they are currently held in. The remnants of Israel also, will be brought back in the "flesh" during the millennial reign. That's another room (level). Their souls are not placed to be damned nor in the first resurrection, but destined for salvation later nevertheless. The 144K are in a different level also, and they are the firstfruits. Placed on that level in the kingdom. Finally we have all the saints who will be tried through the tribulation. This house or houses (rooms) are not just for the dead, but for the living. It's a spiritual house belonging to the kingdom of heaven and all are included in God's plan and promises. Jesus was given full authority after his resurrection. He went back to prepare a place for us in the kingdom of God which already existed, thought out and well planned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 5:50:17 GMT -5
Most of us aren't lawyers sis....just ordinary folks doing our best to express our understanding. If we take each other too literally and splice and dice everything too finely we will miss the point of not only what each other is trying to convey, but also what the bible is trying to convey. For example, I'm sure the idea of a hotel was only intended to express a point pictorially, rather than intending to convey the idea of a literal function as a temporary residence. The Father's house does have many rooms or dwelling places, no question about it....that is shown clearly in God's instructions on building the literal physical Temple, in case my post was missed earlier. And since Jesus was speaking in spirit, we need the Spirit to help us understand...it's more than just a question of reading comprehension. Yes. A lot is misunderstood because of adherence to tradition instead of to truth, and a lack of always seeking the truth. This is very common - much more common to believe traditions than to seek the truth until the truth is found. Excerpt for edification of 'method' or seeking truth to avoid or reverse previous errors: "iv. Where Different but Concurrent Usages of Words Should be Observed in the English. Quite apart from age or clime there are many Greek words which the Holy Spirit Himself uses in different connections, and with varying meanings. These can be easily seen, observed, and classified; and our English renderings can and must be made to conform to them. Unlike our last division ( No. iii. above) this is work for the English reader, who is at no disadvantage with the Greek scholar, provided he uses our Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament . It is designed for English readers; and, though the Greek words are given, the truth can be gained without looking at them; for they are numbered, and the reference is to the meaning given under that number. The use of that book will enable the student to find out, at a glance, under the English word, the Greek word which is so translated. The index will tell him whether the word is translated otherwise elsewhere; and, if so, under what renderings he can find them. At this stage he will be able to use more readily the Englishman's Greek Concordance and easily make out a list of all the occurrences of the word in question. It is here that his real study of this branch of our subject will begin. For now he must turn to every passage, and note how the Holy Spirit uses the word; and when he has all the data before him he will soon discover whether the usage is uniform; or whether there is more than one sense in which the word is employed. " www.markfoster.net/rn/how_to_enjoy_the_bible_bullinger.pdfYes....exact words matter.....in tracing a theme in scripture, or seeking the whole counsel of God on a matter, or just in enjoying and glorifying God for the richness of His word, etc. It would be much better if we could have the very originals, before the "lying pen of the scribes" started to get hold of it. But of course the Lord foreknew everything that would happen and what would come against the truth, and with His help we can still receive understanding of the truth. We need to always be looking to the Lord, relying on Him, and test everything like the Bereans.
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Post by John on Jun 19, 2019 6:13:13 GMT -5
Yes. A lot is misunderstood because of adherence to tradition instead of to truth, and a lack of always seeking the truth. This is very common - much more common to believe traditions than to seek the truth until the truth is found. Excerpt for edification of 'method' or seeking truth to avoid or reverse previous errors: "iv. Where Different but Concurrent Usages of Words Should be Observed in the English. Quite apart from age or clime there are many Greek words which the Holy Spirit Himself uses in different connections, and with varying meanings. These can be easily seen, observed, and classified; and our English renderings can and must be made to conform to them. Unlike our last division ( No. iii. above) this is work for the English reader, who is at no disadvantage with the Greek scholar, provided he uses our Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament . It is designed for English readers; and, though the Greek words are given, the truth can be gained without looking at them; for they are numbered, and the reference is to the meaning given under that number. The use of that book will enable the student to find out, at a glance, under the English word, the Greek word which is so translated. The index will tell him whether the word is translated otherwise elsewhere; and, if so, under what renderings he can find them. At this stage he will be able to use more readily the Englishman's Greek Concordance and easily make out a list of all the occurrences of the word in question. It is here that his real study of this branch of our subject will begin. For now he must turn to every passage, and note how the Holy Spirit uses the word; and when he has all the data before him he will soon discover whether the usage is uniform; or whether there is more than one sense in which the word is employed. " www.markfoster.net/rn/how_to_enjoy_the_bible_bullinger.pdfYes....exact words matter.....in tracing a theme in scripture, or seeking the whole counsel of God on a matter, or just in enjoying and glorifying God for the richness of His word, etc. It would be much better if we could have the very originals, before the "lying pen of the scribes" started to get hold of it. But of course the Lord foreknew everything that would happen and what would come against the truth, and with His help we can still receive understanding of the truth. We need to always be looking to the Lord, relying on Him, and test everything like the Bereans. There is no proof scribes came in and changed anything. That is just a slanderous accusation people have been making. As for the Bereans, they were not seeking whether or not scribes or anyone messed up the scriptures. The Bible says that "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." I wish that more people would do what the Bereans did, rather than spending their time questioning what can be trusted in the Bible.
I would point one thing out. The Bible never actually teaches us to be good Bereans. I hear this a lot, but the Bible never says that. It only compares the people of Berea to those in other places, and commends them for being "more noble than those in Thessalonica." They took the time to consider what the Apostles had to say, and as a result, many would come to believe in Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 6:24:33 GMT -5
Most of us aren't lawyers sis....just ordinary folks doing our best to express our understanding. If we take each other too literally and splice and dice everything too finely we will miss the point of not only what each other is trying to convey, but also what the bible is trying to convey. For example, I'm sure the idea of a hotel was only intended to express a point pictorially, rather than intending to convey the idea of a literal function as a temporary residence. The Father's house does have many rooms or dwelling places, no question about it....that is shown clearly in God's instructions on building the literal physical Temple, in case my post was missed earlier. And since Jesus was speaking in spirit, we need the Spirit to help us understand...it's more than just a question of reading comprehension. Well said watchful. I love that calming spirit in you girl! I was the one who mentioned the word hotel, because of what Michael said, I didn't see it meaning any thing different than what I understand. The Father's house does have many places and levels. For example. The witnesses who I strongly believe are Enoch and Elijah never saw death. They are kept in one room. They wont stay in that room forever where they are now because when they return they will be killed for the first time after their testimony. Then go onto another higher level. So that's one room there they are currently held in. The remnants of Israel also, will be brought back in the "flesh" during the millennial reign. That's another room (level). Their souls are not placed to be damned nor in the first resurrection, but destined for salvation later nevertheless. The 144K are in a different level also, and they are the firstfruits. Placed on that level in the kingdom. Finally we have all the saints who will be tried through the tribulation. This house or houses (rooms) are not just for the dead, but for the living. It's a spiritual house belonging to the kingdom of heaven and all are included in God's plan and promises. Jesus was given full authority after his resurrection. He went back to prepare a place for us in the kingdom of God which already existed, thought out and well planned. Sister, bless you......you are glimpsing more than I see as of yet in these things...I'm much more of a plodder than many and only able to chew on little bits at a time. It makes sense that there are different levels in a sense since everyone will be rewarded according to their deeds so greater and lesser rewards, and also greater and lesser gifts and callings, which carries on into eternity....the 12 apostles, for example. A spiritual house....amen. In a spiritual city. It's a place in Christ, and who can fully fathom these things really? Amen, He has prepared it for both this life and also the fullness of what is pledged to come.
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 19, 2019 6:58:21 GMT -5
I really don’t care what translation a person uses. Others can do what they wish. But, if your argument relies on a translation discrepancy, and we have to believe KJV got it wrong in order to see your view, I am not interested. Neither am I interested in facing resistance/disinterest from most of the group when I try to defend a KJV translation. So I won’t waste my effort anymore.
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