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Post by solid on Jun 20, 2019 9:44:43 GMT -5
The only way to test the accuracy of the text is to examine the closest English translation to the KJV, the Geneva Bible. To my knowledge, I only know of one minor difference between the text of the KJV an the Geneva Bible, and that is the word Easter verses Passover. That is hardly worth making a major case over. Those who put out the Geneva Bible were in no way connected to the Catholic Church or sympathetic to it, but they did have one thing in common with the KJV translators. Both had the same foundation, the same manuscripts. Even though I am just fine with the word Easter in the Bible, it is a relatively minor issue, so if you want to really show yourself a good Berean, I suggest that you get a Geneva Bible and a KJV Bible and go through all 66 books and see if they are basically saying the same thing in all 66 books. I would not test it with the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts floating around today, as they are not the same manuscripts the church had, but they are more recent discoveries from Alexandria and Egypt. Have you compared the Geneva Bible to the KJV Bible?
Frankly, I find all of this nonsense. I see no reason to test it. I just accept my KJV Bible as is, but if you or anyone else wants to do a comprehensive comparison of those two early English translations, and you want to start a thread showing your findings, I will look at it.
I just read my KJV Bible and believe it.
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Post by Giller on Jun 20, 2019 9:47:47 GMT -5
I will stick to the KJV as well, it as been proven time and time again, and the further we go into new bible translations, the more gets changed, even the word homosexual is being gradually deleted.
And verses on the trinity have been totally changed, if that is not an attack on the bible, then I do not know what is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 10:56:30 GMT -5
Just noticed this thread....cute title. Sorry for hijacking Michael's thread, or for my part in it...can't remember how it started.
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Post by joseph on Jun 20, 2019 13:12:54 GMT -5
Dwelling place creates the image of something ordinary, where mansion shows something majestic. I believe the KJV Bible got it right. "Mansion" appeals to the flesh, yes.
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Post by joseph on Jun 20, 2019 13:14:31 GMT -5
I’m confused... In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.The mansions are mentioned in conjunction with Jesus preparing a place for us. How are we incorrectly making this about ‘us’ when Jesus said it was about us? I generally agree that modern Christianity puts too much emphasis on ourselves, but this verse is not the best place for that discussion. There was never a time when mansion meant the same as a hotel, dormitory, or apartment complex. The word emerged from a castle or estate that provided accommodations to wealthy friends/visitors. It was the private home where the governor stayed on his visit so he wouldn’t have mingle with the public. Over time it came to refer to the castle/estate as general term. Dragging down its meaning to dormitory is a crime against English. Do with this information what you will. "Mansions" appeals to the flesh, yes.
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Post by Giller on Jun 20, 2019 13:20:05 GMT -5
Dwelling place creates the image of something ordinary, where mansion shows something majestic. I believe the KJV Bible got it right. "Mansion" appeals to the flesh, yes. It is not about, in this case, whether something would appeal to someone's flesh or not, because anything can if we let it, even becoming popular, or becoming a preacher if not called, can appeal to the flesh. So in this case, it is not about whether mansions appeal to the flesh or not, but rather it is about what God's word says, and if God wants for us to have a mansion in Heaven, than this is up to him, but it will be something given by God, and in Heaven, there will not be any sin, so we won't be lusting, we will just be enjoying God's provisions, and enjoying God himself, in our pure worship and adoration. I do not know why people want to spend so much time trying to change what it says, which is a waste of time to me, I think that that in and of itself can be a lust, that is a lust to be right, or to say you have the true knowledge, when God's word has the true knowledge.
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 20, 2019 13:22:19 GMT -5
I have no idea what “appealing to the flesh” has to do with mansions in the Bible. Either Jesus said there are mansions or He didn’t, and the fact of the case has nothing to do with a possible fleshly response.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 20, 2019 13:37:05 GMT -5
...the fact of the case has nothing to do with a possible fleshly response. It depends.
"To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and
unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled." - Titus 1:15
There are people who cannot simply see a need to walk holy when you say: Walk holy!
Those with defiled minds will think that you are being sarcastic.
"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things
of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit." - Romans 8:5
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Post by joseph on Jun 20, 2019 13:43:48 GMT -5
Obeying Jesus, Seeking the Truth, brings down the errors and even fantasies of the flesh, in a way (by Jesus) that nothing else ever can.
When anything appeals to the flesh - ie. as written "the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life"
if permitted, it leads to sin.
Jesus came to set us free from all the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life - from all sin, and from the power of sin, and from the power of the world, and from the power of death, and from the power of the enemy - God's Plan and Purpose in Jesus in Salvation and in Fullness of (Abundant) Life is Complete and Whole, lacking nothing.
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 20, 2019 13:49:57 GMT -5
That’s all well and good, but it’s a total non sequitur.
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 20, 2019 13:52:28 GMT -5
“Appealing to the flesh” is actually a tactic we see from atheists and unbelievers quite a bit. They say it’s awfully too convenient that Jesus died for our sins so we won’t be held accountable, which appeals to our weak conscience. They say it’s awfully convenient that we are going to a heaven where every tear is wiped away, and this appeals to our weak imaginations. Something isn’t true or false just because it appeals to us.
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Post by joseph on Jun 20, 2019 14:26:02 GMT -5
"Appealing to the flesh" is what most people do, not just atheists and unbelievers, but church people too. That's the basis for almost all forums, almost all threads, almost all posts - and for most of the world, without good results. That's also the reason that there are so many different translations, (apparently 'worse' because as someone posted - the words were changed in some translations because of <so-called> copyright laws - nothing to do with what is true and right and good) ....
1 John 2:15 ¶ Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust(desires) of the flesh, and the lust(desires) of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1 John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1 John 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
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Post by solid on Jun 20, 2019 14:27:39 GMT -5
Dwelling place creates the image of something ordinary, where mansion shows something majestic. I believe the KJV Bible got it right. "Mansion" appeals to the flesh, yes. That has never been a consideration.
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Post by joseph on Jun 20, 2019 14:28:08 GMT -5
Obeying Jesus, Seeking the Truth, brings down the errors and even fantasies of the flesh, in a way (by Jesus) that nothing else ever can. When anything appeals to the flesh - ie. as written "the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life" if permitted, it leads to sin. Jesus came to set us free from all the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life - from all sin, and from the power of sin, and from the power of the world, and from the power of death, and from the power of the enemy - God's Plan and Purpose in Jesus in Salvation and in Fullness of (Abundant) Life is Complete and Whole, lacking nothing. 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 20, 2019 14:32:46 GMT -5
Wow. This is making my head hurt. It’s actually painful.
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