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Post by John on Jul 3, 2019 21:20:02 GMT -5
And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deuteronomy 18:21,22
Prophets today are a dime a dozen. Go to YouTube and you will find them everywhere. They have predictions about all kinds of future world events. Many of them have annual predictions for each new year. How do we know if they are from God? Does what they said come to pass? If it does not, they are not true prophets of God, and they spoke presumptuously or according to their vain imaginations. If the thing comes to pass, then it is a prophet of God. Pretty simple, which causes me to wonder why so many continue to put their trust in prophets with a terrible track record? If they make 20 predictions and 1 or 2 or possibly none come to pass, why continue to seek them out next year? You can safely write them off as a false prophet.
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Post by solid on Jul 4, 2019 7:47:33 GMT -5
They must be right all the time.
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Post by John on Jul 4, 2019 7:59:34 GMT -5
They must be right all the time. The thing is, God doesn't make mistakes, so if He tells a prophet something, it will be true. Can a prophet mess up? If they get in the flesh and prophecy things out of their head. I think many of the self-proclaimed prophets today just make educated guesses.
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Post by solid on Jul 4, 2019 8:07:12 GMT -5
They must be right all the time. The thing is, God doesn't make mistakes, so if He tells a prophet something, it will be true. Can a prophet mess up? If they get in the flesh and prophecy things out of their head. I think many of the self-proclaimed prophets today just make educated guesses.
if they prophesy things that don't come to pass, they are a false prophet.
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Post by John on Jul 4, 2019 8:14:30 GMT -5
The thing is, God doesn't make mistakes, so if He tells a prophet something, it will be true. Can a prophet mess up? If they get in the flesh and prophecy things out of their head. I think many of the self-proclaimed prophets today just make educated guesses.
if they prophesy things that don't come to pass, they are a false prophet. That is why we need to be careful when we prophesy in the name of the Lord.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 4, 2019 18:47:49 GMT -5
That's right butero and solid . we must be very careful when we prophesy in the name of the LORD . And the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of JESUS . OH rejoice in the LORD my friends . And let us dig only more n bibles .
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Post by michaelcla22 on Oct 14, 2019 1:19:11 GMT -5
His true nature makes every person prophet-god. He speaks not only for please to everyone but also say truth of life and faith. Every action that he undertaken in life represents the highest morals and manners that a person could exhibit.
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Post by John on Oct 14, 2019 4:36:17 GMT -5
His true nature makes every person prophet-god. He speaks not only for please to everyone but also say truth of life and faith. Every action that he undertaken in life represents the highest morals and manners that a person could exhibit. I am not really sure what you mean by his true nature making every person prophet-god?
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Post by Cletus on Oct 14, 2019 19:04:48 GMT -5
Jer 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
its not just the false prophets/ prosperity pimps fault... the people want it. (and they love to have it so)
Now i want to ask you a question. does the following passage of scripture from the new testament, from the new covenant sound like, a guarantee of salvation:
Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Seek His face while mercy can be found. Repent while The Lord is willing to wash us, during the time He has appointed for us to repent in. He will not strive with man forever.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
those who testify falsely, or have a false gospel... those actors... those false prophets speak damnation to their own soul because they lie on The LORD. they say He saith when He saith not. this is a total disregard to who He Is, His ways, etc. they do not fear the LORD. they defile whats holy, and their own garment. They will not like their reward.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 14:04:48 GMT -5
And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deuteronomy 18:21,22
Prophets today are a dime a dozen. Go to YouTube and you will find them everywhere. They have predictions about all kinds of future world events. Many of them have annual predictions for each new year. How do we know if they are from God? Does what they said come to pass? If it does not, they are not true prophets of God, and they spoke presumptuously or according to their vain imaginations. If the thing comes to pass, then it is a prophet of God. Pretty simple, which causes me to wonder why so many continue to put their trust in prophets with a terrible track record? If they make 20 predictions and 1 or 2 or possibly none come to pass, why continue to seek them out next year? You can safely write them off as a false prophet. I consider that there is a difference now under the new covenant and no longer being under the Law. And keeping in mind that the foretelling of future events actually is only one part of what the gift of prophecy is all about. These scriptures came to mind and might be of help to flesh out the gift of prophecy a bit more: Revelation 19:10
…….for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied UNTIL John.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were UNTIL John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
The chief prophets in scripture under the old covenant were pointing ahead to the coming of the messiah Jesus. That seems to be what their fore-telling was mainly about, along with warning and foretelling of the judgments that were to come if the people didn’t repent. John the Baptist was the last OT prophet under the Law, and he was the greatest of them all because he was the forerunner for Christ….preparing the way for Jesus, preparing souls to receive him. Turning the hearts of the fathers (patriarchs) to the children (descendants) and the hearts of the children to the faithful patriarchs….to emulate their faithfulness. Hebrews 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners, spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son……..
So now there has been a change in the way prophets serve under the new covenant. No longer under the old paradigm of the Law, but by a new paradigm….the way of the Spirit, and as one part of a many-membered Body. 1 Corinthians 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation and comfort.
1 Corinthians 14:4…..but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1 Corinthians 14:29-30 Let the prophets speak two or three and let the other judge. If anything be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
New covenant prophets testify of Jesus…they hold forth the true Christ and encourage the flock to hold to Him, to His teachings and to His way. Under the old covenant the foremost prophets were sent in times of apostasy to admonish the people to return to the Lord. John the Baptist came at such a time in Israel as well. And I believe that is a vital purpose of new covenant prophecy as well.. The spirit of Elijah prepares the way for Jesus….in the first century it prepared the way for His first coming, and in the end time it prepares souls for His second coming, in a similar time of apostasy and ‘captivity’. In the OT Elijah also was sent to call the people back to the Lord....and the fire on his altar coming down from heaven....was a figure of Christ's coming, His Spirit. So I see the ‘fortune-telling’ part of prophecy as being something sort of secondary in a way. The Lord does nothing without first revealing it to his prophets…..but it’s for a reason…..to glorify God who knows the end from the beginning and for us it’s to strengthen, exhort, warn and comfort the church. And for evangelizing the lost, prophesying is done as a sign following the gospel…as a witness of His truth and power and in so doing draw people to Christ. 1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
The kind of prophesying that false prophets within the church do, just does not profit spiritually…it doesn’t do any of the above. It doesn’t draw the lost to Christ as a witness (testimony), it doesn’t build up the church, or strengthen the weak and it doesn’t bring those who have wandered off back to the Lord. As we know it glorifies the false prophet and fill his pockets while tickling the ears of his followers and leading them astray. So it appears that testing all prophecy is not only done on the basis of whether predictive things they say happen or not, but the spirit needs to be discerned, and as well the doctrine needs to be examined, to verify whether it is the pure way and teaching of Christ (testimony of Jesus). Since the other prophets are to test what is being brought forth on the spot, it can’t test whether a prediction is going to come true or not right away, so it has to be that they are testing in other ways. I personally consider that there is a learning curve for the exercise of all the gifts, not to mention the personal spiritual growth of the individual involved, so to me it’s not an old covenant cut and dried if you say or do something wrong you are written off as a false prophet or false anything on the spot. But rather one is simply corrected by the others…and hopefully learns, just as we all learn from our mistakes...we learn to discern ourselves and learn to discern His voice. Up to now I believe that it needs to be a consistent pattern of error and/or a false gospel, and/or sinful lifestyle that would qualify a prophet as someone to be avoided, and dealt with accordingly.
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Post by John on Oct 15, 2019 14:26:11 GMT -5
watchful. First of all, welcome back.
I want to ask you about this learning curve. It came up before where a prophet warned someone a hurricane would hit their city and destroy their home, so they needed to leave and ride it out elsewhere. The same prophet said Marco Rubio would be President, not Trump. Do those failed predictions make this guy a false prophet since he was wrong on both counts?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 14:43:55 GMT -5
watchful . First of all, welcome back.
I want to ask you about this learning curve. It came up before where a prophet warned someone a hurricane would hit their city and destroy their home, so they needed to leave and ride it out elsewhere. The same prophet said Marco Rubio would be President, not Trump. Do those failed predictions make this guy a false prophet since he was wrong on both counts?
I would have no idea John.....I don't know this person.....he might be young in the faith and need to get to know the word of God better and be discipled, and to learn discernment......or he might have an excellent track record at other times, or in other ways, such as pure doctrine, Christlike, effective evangelizing, etc. I just don't know. I suspect that most of those who focus on fortune telling rather than more important spiritual matters are false in any case. It's sensationalism. That was one point I was trying to bring out...I dont think from scripture that the gift of prophecy is all about fortune telling....predictive things are just a part of more important purposes. The need to know the future is of the flesh as is the need to predict the future. False prophets are gone out into the WORLD....such as tea leaf readers and palm readers and the like. It's no different than false prophets in the church under the influence of spirits of divination. Prophets can sometimes predict correctly and still be false prophets..so it's not just about that. Discern the spirits...and also test their doctrine and look at their life. And exercise wisdom.
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Post by 777 on Nov 5, 2019 12:13:23 GMT -5
watchful . First of all, welcome back.
I want to ask you about this learning curve. It came up before where a prophet warned someone a hurricane would hit their city and destroy their home, so they needed to leave and ride it out elsewhere. The same prophet said Marco Rubio would be President, not Trump. Do those failed predictions make this guy a false prophet since he was wrong on both counts?
A prophet of God must be right 100 percent of the time, no errors.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 6, 2019 9:11:15 GMT -5
watchful . First of all, welcome back.
I want to ask you about this learning curve. It came up before where a prophet warned someone a hurricane would hit their city and destroy their home, so they needed to leave and ride it out elsewhere. The same prophet said Marco Rubio would be President, not Trump. Do those failed predictions make this guy a false prophet since he was wrong on both counts?
Triple sevens is spot on right . Way too many today are under a learned mindset that a prophet makes errors or at least some errors in his prophecies . This is big time wrong .
And let us look to the bible for all answers and examples .
I have , years back , heard the mega false ones on Tbn saying things like prophets mess things up from time to time . They say things like well they might be newbies or etc . But let us remember jeremiah as an example . He even said , But I am a child LORD . NOW from day one that jeremiah began to prophesy , WAS he ever ONCE in error . EVEN from day one , IT WAS ALWAYS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE . What many do not know is , that this idea that prophets are not always one hundred percent accurate , BEGAN from and came from WELL Known money hungry FALSE MEN and women . I SEEN IT on TBN years back . WE must do an all out return to bibles only . You tube is killing discernment and making cloudy many minds . An all out return to JUST the bible and minds will be cleared up once again . Another thing , to answer the question are they false . YOU BETTER BELEIVE IT . No true prophet would have errors in their prophecy and no true man of God or woman of God would claim a gift that is not truly theirs . Agabus did not make errors in his prophecies . No one under the influence of GOD who does prophesy truly in His name would prophesy errors . Two things , most these who do so and claim the title of prophet are false and also the gift of prophecy was NOT THEIRS to begin with . Too many are leaping up with pride filled hearts and anointing themselves as so called true prophets . But the fruits will always be seen . IN their doctrine and in their prophecy . Did you all know that with almost pin point accuracy some new agers , some secular , and spirits of divination , can get it so accurate in their predictions . Men get way too easily taken in with signs and wonders . They marvel if folks can get things even seventy percent right . And yet even the mega false , can get predictions so right at times . Let none be taken up with signs and wonders , and let none fall for the lie that a true prophet does not always get his prophecies one hundred percent right . TWO things . even GOD himself allows false ones and their signs and wonders to come to pass , to test us to see whether we truly love HIM . The prophet must be one hundred percent accurate , AND their doctrine must be truth . But LORD how shall we know the thing which is spoken is from YOU . IF a prophets speaks and the thing does not come to pass, THIS IS NOT FROM GOD . And here is a big one too . Look at the days we live in . MAJOR evil is abounding , major wickedness grows . Now go to and look at bibles . HOW COME in those days the warnings equated to REPENT OR ELSE and JUDGMENT is coming . YET TODAY its all POLITCAL CENTERED and money blessing centered . Soothsayers and new age can predict turn outs at polls and far more things quite accurate . SO NO marvel that false ones can too . And folks get duped very easy by signs and wonders . HOW often when a false one gets it right , folks forget how often they also got things wrong in times past and excuse them . an example . THEM same mega false ones that predicted TRUMP would win , HAD ALSO PREDICTED A MITT ROMNEY WIN TOO . OOOOOPS .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 6, 2019 9:18:30 GMT -5
watchful . First of all, welcome back.
I want to ask you about this learning curve. It came up before where a prophet warned someone a hurricane would hit their city and destroy their home, so they needed to leave and ride it out elsewhere. The same prophet said Marco Rubio would be President, not Trump. Do those failed predictions make this guy a false prophet since he was wrong on both counts?
I would have no idea John.....I don't know this person.....he might be young in the faith and need to get to know the word of God better and be discipled, and to learn discernment......or he might have an excellent track record at other times, or in other ways, such as pure doctrine, Christlike, effective evangelizing, etc. I just don't know. I suspect that most of those who focus on fortune telling rather than more important spiritual matters are false in any case. It's sensationalism. That was one point I was trying to bring out...I dont think from scripture that the gift of prophecy is all about fortune telling....predictive things are just a part of more important purposes. The need to know the future is of the flesh as is the need to predict the future. False prophets are gone out into the WORLD....such as tea leaf readers and palm readers and the like. It's no different than false prophets in the church under the influence of spirits of divination. Prophets can sometimes predict correctly and still be false prophets..so it's not just about that. Discern the spirits...and also test their doctrine and look at their life. And exercise wisdom. yep . and let us remember JESUS even scolded and warned the apostels who had return rejoicing in their ministry and ability to CAST OUT demons . Too many are making big ados about the power and not BIG ADOS about GOD instead . WAY too many are being taken in with signs and wonders and marvel and focus on that as a MINISTIRY and yet JESUS had said NOT too . But rather rejoice in your names are wrote above . AND also as you said , MOST Folks got no idea that this stuff that the over all vast majority are focused on , IS from a spirit of divination . WHICH by the way can predict and get things right with stunning accuracy . Our focus is to be on THE LORD and bible truth . While its true we have been given power over and their are true prophets , the focus is not to be centered on the power and making it into a ministry , but rather simply ON THE LORD and BIBLE DOCTRINE . way too many men and women are simply being seduced by way too many false ones . Look at their ministiries . Always focused on , POLITICS , and money making , and etc . THAT ALONE should spell RUN FOR THE HILLS and NEVER LOOK BACK .
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