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Post by frienduff on Nov 6, 2019 9:23:08 GMT -5
John and all , I want us to be fired up more than ever for the LORD . Let us put down you tube men and women , let us just pick back up bibles . We are missing out on way too much . Beleivers are the true body , and we need not to trust or lean on men for anything . If we will put the entire focus back on HIM and back in the bible , WE WILL grow with such a clearing of the mind , such a pure and holy way , and we will be used of GOD to do exploits growing in the grace of GOD .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 6, 2019 9:28:42 GMT -5
watchful . First of all, welcome back.
I want to ask you about this learning curve. It came up before where a prophet warned someone a hurricane would hit their city and destroy their home, so they needed to leave and ride it out elsewhere. The same prophet said Marco Rubio would be President, not Trump. Do those failed predictions make this guy a false prophet since he was wrong on both counts?
A prophet of God must be right 100 percent of the time, no errors. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT .
And let us remember that even as a babe , the prophet jeremiah who had said but I am a child , GOT EVERY PROPHECY ONE HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT . THEY always will and do , IF SO BE THEY ARE TRULY OF GOD . These gold diggers on tbn and youtube , self proclaimed prophets will try and say otherwise and make excuse for failings , BUT WE KNOW THE WORD OF GOD NEVER FAILS . ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE THEY MUST BE , or they get fled . We got way too many SELF appointed and SELF anointed prophets who got no business being heeded . Notice what word got capped . SELF , cause they sure are not OF GOD else their fruits and prophecies WOULD SHOW IT .
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Post by John on Nov 6, 2019 9:43:12 GMT -5
John and all , I want us to be fired up more than ever for the LORD . Let us put down you tube men and women , let us just pick back up bibles . We are missing out on way too much . Beleivers are the true body , and we need not to trust or lean on men for anything . If we will put the entire focus back on HIM and back in the bible , WE WILL grow with such a clearing of the mind , such a pure and holy way , and we will be used of GOD to do exploits growing in the grace of GOD . Overall I agree with what you are trying to warn us about, but we can go too far in trying protect people too where we reject God's servants. God is still calling people to the ministry, and I don't think it is Biblical to suggest we listen to nobody, just read the Bible. If that is what it has come to, nobody need minister anywhere. We can just listen to the Bible on cd all day. Listening to scripture is a good thing, so if we do that, it is food for our soul, but it is that same Bible that says God still calls Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Evangelists and Teachers. We just need to know our Bible to the point where we recognize that which is false.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 6, 2019 9:56:38 GMT -5
John and all , I want us to be fired up more than ever for the LORD . Let us put down you tube men and women , let us just pick back up bibles . We are missing out on way too much . Beleivers are the true body , and we need not to trust or lean on men for anything . If we will put the entire focus back on HIM and back in the bible , WE WILL grow with such a clearing of the mind , such a pure and holy way , and we will be used of GOD to do exploits growing in the grace of GOD . Overall I agree with what you are trying to warn us about, but we can go too far in trying protect people too where we reject God's servants. God is still calling people to the ministry, and I don't think it is Biblical to suggest we listen to nobody, just read the Bible. If that is what it has come to, nobody need minister anywhere. We can just listen to the Bible on cd all day. Listening to scripture is a good thing, so if we do that, it is food for our soul, but it is that same Bible that says God still calls Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Evangelists and Teachers. We just need to know our Bible to the point where we recognize that which is false.
yes , but once we see they say things like prophets don't have to be one hundred percent accurate , or once we see their own prophecies failed , we need to flee them fast and never look back . Why listen to unlearned babes or false ones , we can glean nothing from either . OH I know their are still true ones , but one thing I also know is , no true prophet of GOD would align himself in any way to anyone false . Not only do we need to test all things they say , BUT TEST WHO they support and hang out with . IF THEY FALSE , rest assured this is no prophet of GOD or they would not hold company with the false . Todd white is a good example of this . The man clings to Kenneth Copeland . IF any so called teacher or prophet comes teaching even truth and yet clings to well known false ones , SOMETHING is dead wrong . WHERE is their discernment . I MEAN anyone who is truly seasoned would long be able to discern the true from these mega false . SO HOW come THEY CANT . Take a peek at who the swaggerts do business with , WE GOT DIRE PROBLEMS all over churches , all over youtube too . We must diligently test all men . WATCH WHO they are in league with . Survey says that these will also be tied into other well known false ministiries and they have NO DISCERNMENT . If a simple man , by grace , like me can discern these mega false ones , THEN WHY ON EARTH do many keep company with them . Can we imagine JESUS keeping company with men whose ties are too rome or falsehoods . NOPE . SO WHY do they and why would we even glean one thing from them . WE need to test WHO men hang around . GO to and test all and SEE who they support and rest assured if its the false ones , SOMETHIGN IS DEAD WRONG. That is big manifest sign that they are really coming to DECIEVE and will use scrips to deceive . Folks we got a spirit at work and its using all men and women Not of GOD to gather us as one under their influence . LET ALL BE ON GUARD and on guard let all be .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:18:35 GMT -5
I don't expect infallibility from anyone, but God. Even true prophets are to always be tested. But of course there are many false prophets out there for sure to be avoided, to my understanding based on a bigger picture than just on how accurately they make predictions. For most of them you don't even need to hear them prophesy to already see they are false.
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Post by 777 on Nov 6, 2019 12:48:45 GMT -5
I don't expect infallibility from anyone, but God. Even true prophets are to always be tested. But of course there are many false prophets out there for sure to be avoided, to my understanding based on a bigger picture than just on how accurately they make predictions. For most of them you don't even need to hear them prophesy to already see they are false. A prophet is held to a higher standard because they are speaking directly for God. It is important that they only speak what they know God is really saying, and not just things that enter their mind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 16:25:37 GMT -5
I don't expect infallibility from anyone, but God. Even true prophets are to always be tested. But of course there are many false prophets out there for sure to be avoided, to my understanding based on a bigger picture than just on how accurately they make predictions. For most of them you don't even need to hear them prophesy to already see they are false. A prophet is held to a higher standard because they are speaking directly for God. It is important that they only speak what they know God is really saying, and not just things that enter their mind. All I know is that the prophets prophesied until John.....that has to mean something....it's not the same paradigm now after the gifts were given through the giving of the Holy Spirit. Those gifts all have different administrations and operations and the Spirit blows where and how it listeth. Foretelling of a future event is only one operation or administration of the gift of prophecy under the new covenant, so to start with, surely its not the only criteria for testing a prophet....?
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Post by John on Nov 6, 2019 19:52:28 GMT -5
A prophet is held to a higher standard because they are speaking directly for God. It is important that they only speak what they know God is really saying, and not just things that enter their mind. All I know is that the prophets prophesied until John.....that has to mean something....it's not the same paradigm now after the gifts were given through the giving of the Holy Spirit. Those gifts all have different administrations and operations and the Spirit blows where and how it listeth. Foretelling of a future event is only one operation or administration of the gift of prophecy under the new covenant, so to start with, surely its not the only criteria for testing a prophet....? That is an interesting point. Are there other things besides reliability we should use to judge whether a prophet is real or not? I think it goes without saying that we would need to judge them by their fruit, like we do all other believers.
The Bible states that the law and the prophets were till John, but since that time the kingdom of God is preached. I don't take that to mean there are no longer prophets and the law doesn't matter anymore. I take that to mean that in addition to the law and the prophets, now the kingdom of God is also preached. That scripture doesn't claim the law and prophets are done away with. Jesus said just the opposite.
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Post by Jesus Christ teachings on Nov 6, 2019 19:55:11 GMT -5
Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Luke 16:15-17
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Post by 777 on Nov 7, 2019 6:10:41 GMT -5
A prophet is held to a higher standard because they are speaking directly for God. It is important that they only speak what they know God is really saying, and not just things that enter their mind. All I know is that the prophets prophesied until John.....that has to mean something....it's not the same paradigm now after the gifts were given through the giving of the Holy Spirit. Those gifts all have different administrations and operations and the Spirit blows where and how it listeth. Foretelling of a future event is only one operation or administration of the gift of prophecy under the new covenant, so to start with, surely its not the only criteria for testing a prophet....? I don't think it is the only criteria, but if they are making predictions about the future, those things they say must come to pass or they are false.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 7:01:07 GMT -5
All I know is that the prophets prophesied until John.....that has to mean something....it's not the same paradigm now after the gifts were given through the giving of the Holy Spirit. Those gifts all have different administrations and operations and the Spirit blows where and how it listeth. Foretelling of a future event is only one operation or administration of the gift of prophecy under the new covenant, so to start with, surely its not the only criteria for testing a prophet....? That is an interesting point. Are there other things besides reliability we should use to judge whether a prophet is real or not? I think it goes without saying that we would need to judge them by their fruit, like we do all other believers.
The Bible states that the law and the prophets were till John, but since that time the kingdom of God is preached. I don't take that to mean there are no longer prophets and the law doesn't matter anymore. I take that to mean that in addition to the law and the prophets, now the kingdom of God is also preached. That scripture doesn't claim the law and prophets are done away with. Jesus said just the opposite.
Except that those who follow Christ are no longer under the law and the curse of it. But amen, judge by their fruits, that's a bulls eye...... and also I would say their track record. If they are often wrong in the things they say, well I would avoid them. But if they have been wrong a time or two and acknowledged their error, then okay. I believe there is hope for anyone who are humble, correctable and willing to repent and learn from their mistakes, and I don't see why prophets should be any different from anyone else in that regard. I'm not trying to defend those who are truly false....the big-name celebrity style folks in particular, who make a complete travesty of the true faith of Christ and preach false gospels. And what ruins most of them is their status from what I can see, and they get famous because of not "doing church" the biblical way of Body ministry and the priesthood of all believers. It's not about "one-man-in-a-pulpit"...that is Romes's way, the way of the world. Designating "clergy" and "laity" and creating a schism in the body thereby, which the bible says not to do. When they become too important in their own eyes, they receive correction from nobody. The more lifted up someone gets the harder it is for them to simply acknowledge and correct their mistakes. Not to mention nobody would dare try to correct a demi-god.
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2019 7:12:29 GMT -5
That is an interesting point. Are there other things besides reliability we should use to judge whether a prophet is real or not? I think it goes without saying that we would need to judge them by their fruit, like we do all other believers.
The Bible states that the law and the prophets were till John, but since that time the kingdom of God is preached. I don't take that to mean there are no longer prophets and the law doesn't matter anymore. I take that to mean that in addition to the law and the prophets, now the kingdom of God is also preached. That scripture doesn't claim the law and prophets are done away with. Jesus said just the opposite.
Except that those who follow Christ are no longer under the law and the curse of it. But amen, judge by their fruits, that's a bulls eye...... and also I would say their track record. If they are often wrong in the things they say, well I would avoid them. But if they have been wrong a time or two and acknowledged their error, then okay. I believe there is hope for anyone who are humble, correctable and willing to repent and learn from their mistakes, and I don't see why prophets should be any different from anyone else in that regard. I'm not trying to defend those who are truly false....the big-name celebrity style folks in particular, who make a complete travesty of the true faith of Christ and preach false gospels. And what ruins most of them is their status from what I can see, and they get famous because of not "doing church" the biblical way of Body ministry and the priesthood of all believers. It's not about "one-man-in-a-pulpit"...that is Romes's way, the way of the world. Designating "clergy" and "laity" and creating a schism in the body thereby, which the bible says not to do. When they become too important in their own eyes, they receive correction from nobody. The more lifted up someone gets the harder it is for them to simply acknowledge and correct their mistakes. Not to mention nobody would dare try to correct a demi-god. A person could make a mistake giving a word from the Lord, especially starting out, and there is no indication that God won't forgive them if they ask. It is just that it is such a special calling, where you are sharing the direct words of God. Those of us who are called to offices like Pastor aren't doing that. We study scripture and do our best to speak the truth as we understand it, but recognize we can make mistakes. A person whose words begin, "Thus saith the Lord," are claiming they are telling us what God said word for word.
I did want to ask you about something. You mentioned not being under the curse of the law, but in many ways, we still are. We all suffer with sickness and death. Women still have pain in child bearing, even if they are Christians. Men still have to work by the sweat of their brow to earn a living. When you say Christians are not under the curse, how do you mean that?
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2019 7:15:48 GMT -5
That is an interesting point. Are there other things besides reliability we should use to judge whether a prophet is real or not? I think it goes without saying that we would need to judge them by their fruit, like we do all other believers.
The Bible states that the law and the prophets were till John, but since that time the kingdom of God is preached. I don't take that to mean there are no longer prophets and the law doesn't matter anymore. I take that to mean that in addition to the law and the prophets, now the kingdom of God is also preached. That scripture doesn't claim the law and prophets are done away with. Jesus said just the opposite.
Except that those who follow Christ are no longer under the law and the curse of it. But amen, judge by their fruits, that's a bulls eye...... and also I would say their track record. If they are often wrong in the things they say, well I would avoid them. But if they have been wrong a time or two and acknowledged their error, then okay. I believe there is hope for anyone who are humble, correctable and willing to repent and learn from their mistakes, and I don't see why prophets should be any different from anyone else in that regard. I'm not trying to defend those who are truly false....the big-name celebrity style folks in particular, who make a complete travesty of the true faith of Christ and preach false gospels. And what ruins most of them is their status from what I can see, and they get famous because of not "doing church" the biblical way of Body ministry and the priesthood of all believers. It's not about "one-man-in-a-pulpit"...that is Romes's way, the way of the world. Designating "clergy" and "laity" and creating a schism in the body thereby, which the bible says not to do. When they become too important in their own eyes, they receive correction from nobody. The more lifted up someone gets the harder it is for them to simply acknowledge and correct their mistakes. Not to mention nobody would dare try to correct a demi-god. I did also want to mention that I know you are not trying to defend false prophets, and I do understand where you are coming from in not expecting any man or woman can always do everything perfect. We are not God, and we will make mistakes. I didn't want you to think I was accusing you of defending false prophets. I don't think that at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 7:16:41 GMT -5
All I know is that the prophets prophesied until John.....that has to mean something....it's not the same paradigm now after the gifts were given through the giving of the Holy Spirit. Those gifts all have different administrations and operations and the Spirit blows where and how it listeth. Foretelling of a future event is only one operation or administration of the gift of prophecy under the new covenant, so to start with, surely its not the only criteria for testing a prophet....? I don't think it is the only criteria, but if they are making predictions about the future, those things they say must come to pass or they are false. Maybe it's just me but I think that we are in a war, and like in any war the enemy can sometimes sneak one by your defenses.......it's likely going to happen now and again.... and when it happens I think it's counterproductive to shoot our own wounded if they are able to be bandaged up and set to rights. Different story for those who have proven themselves to be enemies of the gospel though...and as John said in agreement with the scripture...ye shall know them by their fruits.
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2019 7:24:00 GMT -5
I don't think it is the only criteria, but if they are making predictions about the future, those things they say must come to pass or they are false. Maybe it's just me but I think that we are in a war, and like in any war the enemy can sometimes sneak one by your defenses.......it's likely going to happen now and again.... and when it happens I think it's counterproductive to shoot our own wounded if they are able to be bandaged up and set to rights. Different story for those who have proven themselves to be enemies of the gospel though...and as John said in agreement with the scripture...ye shall know them by their fruits. Yes. We should be about restoration. I once knew a woman that would speak in the name of the Lord, and what she said seemed to be right except for one time where you could just tell she got off in the flesh and said something that proved to be false. This is not an unpardonable sin, but a prophet needs to be cautious to try to avoid letting emotions cause them to say things that are not true in God's name. But this is clearly not an unpardonable sin under the New Covenant.
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