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Post by Tabitha3319 on Jul 23, 2019 11:28:12 GMT -5
When we're arguing with minds of flesh it often doesn't seem as though we're making any dents, and sometimes it can even cause their mind to dig into it's preferred position all the harder. But its' the heart that matters far more and it can take time for the word of God to sprout and grow in the heart after it's been planted. And then it can take time for the mind to catch up with what the heart knows...that's why we sometimes see people sort of contradicting themselves without realizing it. So maybe it's just a good time to leave it in God's hands for the dust to settle and for Him to give the increase, and we could just give reminders of His word now and then in the meantime without going loggerheads. People are often slow or reluctant to openly back down from a position, or even to themselves privately, when they have been arguing so vehemently in public about a point....they sometimes need time to catch up with themselves, and time and space for the Lord to work on them. We are not always the best judges of how effective we've been because fruit takes time to grow and we often might not know until eternity who was helped by something we said. I don't who is cessationist over there any more, some of the ones I used to know are gone....but they are the ones in the biggest trouble I think. The big scandal that broke recently regarding the Southern Baptist church...is God exposing and judging that house. They are cessationists and so they don't believe in being filled with the Holy Spirit......and if they don't have Him in these last days they are just sunk. I'm pretty sure cessationism can be considered to be an outright false gospel....it's such a huge and destructive lie.....without the Holy Spirit they just can't seem to perceive and apprehend the truth no matter how simple and plain it is shown to them. Okay, so you believe in the gifts of the Spirit. My husband and I used to go to a church where they said speaking in tongues was THE evidence of salvation. I didn't like it.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 23, 2019 12:24:10 GMT -5
When we're arguing with minds of flesh it often doesn't seem as though we're making any dents, and sometimes it can even cause their mind to dig into it's preferred position all the harder. But its' the heart that matters far more and it can take time for the word of God to sprout and grow in the heart after it's been planted. And then it can take time for the mind to catch up with what the heart knows...that's why we sometimes see people sort of contradicting themselves without realizing it. So maybe it's just a good time to leave it in God's hands for the dust to settle and for Him to give the increase, and we could just give reminders of His word now and then in the meantime without going loggerheads. People are often slow or reluctant to openly back down from a position, or even to themselves privately, when they have been arguing so vehemently in public about a point....they sometimes need time to catch up with themselves, and time and space for the Lord to work on them. We are not always the best judges of how effective we've been because fruit takes time to grow and we often might not know until eternity who was helped by something we said. I don't who is cessationist over there any more, some of the ones I used to know are gone....but they are the ones in the biggest trouble I think. The big scandal that broke recently regarding the Southern Baptist church...is God exposing and judging that house. They are cessationists and so they don't believe in being filled with the Holy Spirit......and if they don't have Him in these last days they are just sunk. I'm pretty sure cessationism can be considered to be an outright false gospel....it's such a huge and destructive lie.....without the Holy Spirit they just can't seem to perceive and apprehend the truth no matter how simple and plain it is shown to them. Okay, so you believe in the gifts of the Spirit. My husband and I used to go to a church where they said speaking in tongues was THE evidence of salvation. I didn't like it. No sister, speaking in tongues isn’t needed to prove salvation. Tongues is a good way to prove that someone is operating in spiritual gifts, but you don’t have to be super spiritual to be in Christ.
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Post by John on Jul 23, 2019 12:29:06 GMT -5
When we're arguing with minds of flesh it often doesn't seem as though we're making any dents, and sometimes it can even cause their mind to dig into it's preferred position all the harder. But its' the heart that matters far more and it can take time for the word of God to sprout and grow in the heart after it's been planted. And then it can take time for the mind to catch up with what the heart knows...that's why we sometimes see people sort of contradicting themselves without realizing it. So maybe it's just a good time to leave it in God's hands for the dust to settle and for Him to give the increase, and we could just give reminders of His word now and then in the meantime without going loggerheads. People are often slow or reluctant to openly back down from a position, or even to themselves privately, when they have been arguing so vehemently in public about a point....they sometimes need time to catch up with themselves, and time and space for the Lord to work on them. We are not always the best judges of how effective we've been because fruit takes time to grow and we often might not know until eternity who was helped by something we said. I don't who is cessationist over there any more, some of the ones I used to know are gone....but they are the ones in the biggest trouble I think. The big scandal that broke recently regarding the Southern Baptist church...is God exposing and judging that house. They are cessationists and so they don't believe in being filled with the Holy Spirit......and if they don't have Him in these last days they are just sunk. I'm pretty sure cessationism can be considered to be an outright false gospel....it's such a huge and destructive lie.....without the Holy Spirit they just can't seem to perceive and apprehend the truth no matter how simple and plain it is shown to them. Okay, so you believe in the gifts of the Spirit. My husband and I used to go to a church where they said speaking in tongues was THE evidence of salvation. I didn't like it. Apostolic churches believe you aren't saved if you don't speak in tongues. I consider myself Pentecostal and I don't believe that.
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Post by joseph on Jul 23, 2019 13:04:17 GMT -5
Okay, so you believe in the gifts of the Spirit. My husband and I used to go to a church where they said speaking in tongues was THE evidence of salvation. I didn't like it. Remember that there are 'gifts' of /from / in Yahushua, (Jesus), and there are 'gifts' ? (is it right to call it gifts) ? of demons, and that manifestations of demonic influences and demonic control are far far far more common......
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Jul 23, 2019 13:17:21 GMT -5
Okay, so you believe in the gifts of the Spirit. My husband and I used to go to a church where they said speaking in tongues was THE evidence of salvation. I didn't like it. Remember that there are 'gifts' of /from / in Yahushua, (Jesus), and there are 'gifts' ? (is it right to call it gifts) ? of demons, and that manifestations of demonic influences and demonic control are far far far more common...... What are some manifestations of demonic control? I've often wondered if the church we went to was actually in spiritual danger because of the chaotic nature of their worshipping and tongue speaking. I think speaking in tongues should be done biblically. No more than two or three at a time and with an interpreter.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Jul 23, 2019 13:18:55 GMT -5
Okay, so you believe in the gifts of the Spirit. My husband and I used to go to a church where they said speaking in tongues was THE evidence of salvation. I didn't like it. Apostolic churches believe you aren't saved if you don't speak in tongues. I consider myself Pentecostal and I don't believe that.
Have you not liked the Pentecostal churches around you?
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Post by John on Jul 23, 2019 13:21:23 GMT -5
Apostolic churches believe you aren't saved if you don't speak in tongues. I consider myself Pentecostal and I don't believe that.
Have you not liked the Pentecostal churches around you? They are all about pleasing people for numbers too.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 23, 2019 13:26:45 GMT -5
Demonic manifestation is not about chaos. If that was true, then Paul would not have had to tell the Christians at Corinth how to be more organized. He said the spirit of a prophet is subject to the prophet so that we may have less chaos in a prophetic service. Just because people get excited and talk over each other doesn’t mean they’re possessed.
demonic manifestations are ugly, unhealthy, and often violent. They make people act in ways that the people would be ashamed of in their right mind. Screaming, stomping, such as that. And often the alleged messages that come through these things are aimed at pulling you away from Jesus.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 23, 2019 13:37:39 GMT -5
There is an excellent deliverance ministry on YouTube called Hungry Generation. It is very instructive on how evil spirits act out in church. if you search for Hungry Generation deliverance, you should be able to find some interesting videos. Once you’ve seen a few, you start to get the hang on the difference between joyful expression and demonic expression.
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Post by joseph on Jul 23, 2019 13:51:15 GMT -5
Remember that there are 'gifts' of /from / in Yahushua, (Jesus), and there are 'gifts' ? (is it right to call it gifts) ? of demons, and that manifestations of demonic influences and demonic control are far far far more common...... What are some manifestations of demonic control? I've often wondered if the church we went to was actually in spiritual danger because of the chaotic nature of their worshipping and tongue speaking. I think speaking in tongues should be done biblically. No more than two or three at a time and with an interpreter. The 'descriptions' vary considerably from area to area, country to country, church to church, denomination to denomination .... and a few are accurate, most are deceived. Even "with" an "accurate" "description" (sorry for the quotes, but they're "needed" ) ... even with an accurate description, members in the assembly (in the churches today) in THE NEW TESTAMENT GOT IT ALL WRONG ! (not all the members, but too many, thus the warnings in the NT) .... ------------------------ See in the Apocalypse, how many of the world today are refusing to repent of serving (worshiping) demons. IT is shocking, at first, and heart-breaking every day.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 23, 2019 13:56:37 GMT -5
We do need to caution that we don’t become so paranoid about expressions of worship we may not understand. if a demon has gotten to the point of preaching the gospel and exhorting repentance, it has truly lost the plot. Demons give themselves away. I don’t sit around in church service questioning if every little utterance is a demon in disguise. Paul did not give any such warning to Corinth.
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Post by John on Jul 23, 2019 13:58:12 GMT -5
Remember that there are 'gifts' of /from / in Yahushua, (Jesus), and there are 'gifts' ? (is it right to call it gifts) ? of demons, and that manifestations of demonic influences and demonic control are far far far more common...... What are some manifestations of demonic control? I've often wondered if the church we went to was actually in spiritual danger because of the chaotic nature of their worshipping and tongue speaking. I think speaking in tongues should be done biblically. No more than two or three at a time and with an interpreter. Those scriptures are dealing with messages in tongues, not the prayer language. Having a time where all pray at once in their own tongue and in tongues can be done in an orderly fashion.
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Post by joseph on Jul 23, 2019 14:48:12 GMT -5
This is so sad , but I have been at worthy for just over two years . And I have helped not a single soul . That was when I realized , its time to go man . Just time to go . For a while , maybe for good . We gotta focus on exhorting one another . And when you are in an area for two years and not one person has been helped , then I would say ITS time to move on . footnote: for over ten years I asked and looked and sought and posted to try to find ONE PERSON SAVED (ever, at all, by ANYONE) via the internet (ANY forum/ ANY site). Results: ZERO (no one saved by anyone on the internet) so far ...... A dry tree does not produce fruit. (or is it a bad tree cannot produce good fruit) ....
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Post by joseph on Jul 23, 2019 15:06:21 GMT -5
What Does the Bible Say About Test Every Spirit? [Search domain www.openbible.info/topics/test_every_spirit] www.openbible.info/topics/test_every_spiritBible verses about Test Every Spirit. 2 Peter 2:1-3 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful. But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. ----------------------------------- Test every spirit - Test of Believers [Search domain www.testofbelievers.com/test-every-spirit/] www.testofbelievers.com/test-every-spirit/Yes, we do not tempt God by doing something silly like self harm and expect God to save us but we must definitely test every spirit that appears or are speaking to us in our heads. Case Study 2. An older lady had a spirit appear to her as Jesus Christ and instruct her to start fasting. ------------------------------- Learn How To Test the Spirits According To The Bible [Search domain www.bible-knowledge.com/testing-the-spirits/] www.bible-knowledge.com/testing-the-spirits/test every spirit first off like to ask are we talking in this verse about people or spirit beings I'd like to answer that well not me but the bible has the answer and it is people that the teacher here is talking about. just remember that every spirit not of this world not only knows who jesus is but cannot deny who he is take a look @ many ... ----------------------------- Test Every Spirit Sermon by Gregory Neill, 1 John 4:1-6 ... [Search domain www.sermoncentral.com/sermons/test-every-spirit-gregory-neill-sermon-on-faith-107408] www.sermoncentral.com/sermons/test-every-spirit-gregory-neill-sermon-on-faith-107408Test Every Spirit. 1 John 4:1-6. I. Introduction. A. Harmonica Lessons. 1. A young Texas engineer was sent to Ireland to work for two years. a) He accepted the assignment for the extra money that was needed to put a down payment on a house after his wedding. "c) Though these saying may seem extreme, there is a point to them – Tests things before you embrace them." ============================================================================ "If you have a word contrary to the Word of God, it is false--so you must know the Word to test every utterance you think you hear." www.sermoncentral.com/sermons/test-every-spirit-gregory-neill-sermon-on-faith-107408?page=2&wc=800----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Study Bible Testing the Spirits 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,… Berean Study Bible · Download Cross References 1 Kings 13:18 Then the prophet replied, "I too am a prophet like you, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the LORD, saying, 'Bring him back with you to your house, so that he may eat bread and drink water.'" The old prophet was lying to him, Jeremiah 14:14 "The prophets are prophesying lies in My name," the LORD replied. "I did not send them or appoint them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a false vision, a worthless divination, the futility and delusion of their own minds. Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the LORD of Hosts says: "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are filling you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD. Jeremiah 29:8 For this is what the LORD of Hosts, the God of Israel, says: 'Do not be deceived by the prophets and diviners among you, and do not listen to the dreams you elicit from them. Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 23, 2019 15:54:20 GMT -5
Demonic manifestation is not about chaos. If that was true, then Paul would not have had to tell the Christians at Corinth how to be more organized. He said the spirit of a prophet is subject to the prophet so that we may have less chaos in a prophetic service. Just because people get excited and talk over each other doesn’t mean they’re possessed. demonic manifestations are ugly, unhealthy, and often violent. They make people act in ways that the people would be ashamed of in their right mind. Screaming, stomping, such as that. And often the alleged messages that come through these things are aimed at pulling you away from Jesus. Exactly . OH that and barking like dogs and woo wooing and being walked around on leashes , OH YEAH that was NOT the HOLY SPIRIT in TORONTO . OH NO . Nor what Todd bently , his wife of adultery was doing either . UP there shaking her head and making these screeching and hissing sounds . YEAH , UUHH NO . YOU RIGHT DEAR SISTER . Now just because it aint organized don't mean its demonic . OR EXACTLY , paul would have said that , INSTEAD he talked about having ORDER . You leap up and praise the LORD dear sister . And I know its been a while since I said this , But I don't care what the pope and folks like ostein and Copeland would say about you . YOU KNOW I loves ya .
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