Dezi
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Post by Dezi on Jul 19, 2019 9:25:00 GMT -5
I need help understanding what the Bible means by the High priest of the order of Melchizedek when referring to Jesus. Thank you!
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Post by John on Jul 19, 2019 9:29:46 GMT -5
Are you familiar with who Melchizadek is in the Old Testament?
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Post by Dezi on Jul 19, 2019 10:18:20 GMT -5
Are you familiar with who Melchizadek is in the Old Testament?
No... I read the OT but I do not remember him.
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Post by Cletus on Jul 19, 2019 20:40:19 GMT -5
I believe its Jesus. there was a thread about this awhile back and i gave my position on it there. i do not remember the name of the thread... does anyone else remember?
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 20, 2019 7:15:06 GMT -5
Melchizedek was a mysterious man who appears in Genesis 14. He was the “king of Salem” who also served as priest of God. This was strange because there was no law of Moses at that time for anyone to be a priest. All we know is that God had at least one priest before Moses was ever born. After Abraham’s victory in battle, Melchizedek brought bread and wine to bless him, and Abraham gave Melchizedek a tenth of the goods from the victory.
Later, in one of the clearest messianic prophecies about Jesus, we find this:
The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. — Psalm 110:4
It comes out of nowhere, and we get no explanation in the psalms.
We get one more reference to him in the NT. The writer of Hebrews expounds on this to explain the order of Melchizedek:
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. — Hebrews 7:2-3
Some say Melchizedek was Jesus by a different name. Others say he was an angel or something who went as a forerunner of Jesus.
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Post by Cletus on Jul 20, 2019 8:58:31 GMT -5
I have a hard time with the angel thing as Melki was the King of Salem. Salem means peace, so King of Peace. I do not see God letting one of His angels rule in His place... nor do i see one of the fallen angels ruling as the King of Peace and one of Gods own paying Him a tithe. I also do not see one of Gods angels trying to be God, or stand in His place.
I read an article on wcf where some archeologist recently found a stone that represents to a T the altar made back then in the OT. the place of the stone is pretty precise according to scripture too. could it be a fairy tale?... maybe. I tend to think its the real deal.
I post this as food for thought. this really is not a salvation issue. my real advice here... Ask God to reveal the thing to you, because I am as well as any other you hear on this topic is just a man. man has been known to be wrong about some stuff thru history.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 20, 2019 9:04:00 GMT -5
I have a hard time with the angel thing as Melki was the King of Salem. Salem means peace, so King of Peace. I do not see God letting one of His angels rule in His place... nor do i see one of the fallen angels ruling as the King of Peace and one of Gods own paying Him a tithe. I also do not see one of Gods angels trying to be God, or stand in His place. I read an article on wcf where some archeologist recently found a stone that represents to a T the altar made back then in the OT. the place of the stone is pretty precise according to scripture too. could it be a fairy tale?... maybe. I tend to think its the real deal. I post this as food for thought. this really is not a salvation issue. my real advice here... Ask God to reveal the thing to you, because I am as well as any other you hear on this topic is just a man. man has been known to be wrong about some stuff thru history. I’ve often wondered why Jerusalem has meant so much to the Lord all this time. He abandoned Bethel, He made His home outside of Sinai, and He permanently chose a city David took from a pagan king. I have my own thoughts on this, but they are personal musings best kept to myself.
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Post by justinadams on Jul 20, 2019 9:13:10 GMT -5
Melchizedek was a mysterious man who appears in Genesis 14. He was the “king of Salem” who also served as priest of God. This was strange because there was no law of Moses at that time for anyone to be a priest. All we know is that God had at least one priest before Moses was ever born. After Abraham’s victory in battle, Melchizedek brought bread and wine to bless him, and Abraham gave Melchizedek a tenth of the goods from the victory. Later, in one of the clearest messianic prophecies about Jesus, we find this: The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. — Psalm 110:4It comes out of nowhere, and we get no explanation in the psalms. We get one more reference to him in the NT. The writer of Hebrews expounds on this to explain the order of Melchizedek: To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. — Hebrews 7:2-3Some say Melchizedek was Jesus by a different name. Others say he was an angel or something who went as a forerunner of Jesus. Zedek is a Canaanite word. In Joshua's time there was no Israel. It is extremely involved and takes a great deal of time to research. It is not an easy subject and involves many early writings of Babylonian, Mesopotamian and pre-Jerusalem. Salem and other words are very old in origin and in antiquity there is much 'borrowing' of deity symbols and names. Zedek can be translated as a quality rather than a name, and has also been used to describe Yahweh. Zedek-Yahweh is also an old theological merging of concepts, such as when David claimed Jerusalem. Prior to this there were all kinds of pagan deities. We as 'moderns' have great difficulty conceptualizing all this. Just think of the many names we all have for God and how others hearing this might get the idea our God is many deities rather than it being the same God. The One and only.
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Post by John on Jul 20, 2019 12:27:28 GMT -5
There were many good answers given in this thread. Melchizedek, based on the description we have of him, to me is most likely Jesus. I believe he appeared in Genesis under the name Melchizedek. Of course, we know that Jesus appeared in Daniel as the fourth man in the fire, but is only referred to as looking like the Son of God in that instance. Nobody knows for absolute certainty about Melchizedek, but based on his having no beginning or end, and no human Father or Mother, I don't know who else he can be besides Jesus.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 20, 2019 18:38:05 GMT -5
There were many good answers given in this thread. Melchizedek, based on the description we have of him, to me is most likely Jesus. I believe he appeared in Genesis under the name Melchizedek. Of course, we know that Jesus appeared in Daniel as the fourth man in the fire, but is only referred to as looking like the Son of God in that instance. Nobody knows for absolute certainty about Melchizedek, but based on his having no beginning or end, and no human Father or Mother, I don't know who else he can be besides Jesus.
Even that spiritual rock was Who , exactly . And anytime you see the words HE saw the GLORY of GOD , remember what it says in revelation. The Light is the glory of GOD , JESUS IS THE GLORY OF GOD . Abraham rejoiced to see HIS DAY . And even ABRAHAM SAW IT on the mount , JEHOVAH JIREH . As the gospel was preached to Abraham . The whole torah , the whole promise can be summed up in one name . JESUS CHRIST , the GLORY OF GOD . Anyone ever wonder why there was THREE who appeared to Abraham . And WHO was ONE OF THEM . YET later ONLY TWO of them GO INTO SODOM . WHO was Abraham really speaking to . WHO told Abraham , SARAH shall have a child this time next year . EXACTLY . I truly believe JESUS SHOULD BE HONORED above EVERY NAME and that the ENTIRETY of the PROMISE IS IN HIM AND HE ALONE . TODAY , massive amounts do not give CHRIST JESUS the HONOR HE IS WORTHY OF . For many men and women of belial under a spell have long crept in to deny the diety of Christ and to turn him into just some other prophet . BUT THE SHEEP DONT HIM THEM .....................NO WE DONT . WE Warn against them and we flee them and their doctrine . Butero . PUT THOSE HANDS UP AND LET ALL PRAISE THE LORD . And let us all REJOICE IN THE HOPE WE HAVE IN HIM . TURN this place into an all out PRAISE FEST as we feast on solid bible doctrine , just loving and living BY THE WORD and words of GOD .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 20, 2019 18:44:55 GMT -5
For I know WHOM I have BELEIVED . And am fully persuaded that HE ALONE is SAVOIR and that those who are HIS love ALL HIS SAYINGS . FOR the LOVE that comes FROM GOD has been shed upon their hearts . And that LOVE , that CHARITY , REJOICES ONLY IN TRUTH and not in iniquity . IT LOVES JESUS above all , THROUGH HIM we LOVE AND HONOR THE FATHER . THE JOY of the LORD is our strength and the Salvation of the LORD our joy . As time goes on , the church folks will believe we are not genuine beleivers , they will accuse us because we have not learned to twist the scriptures as hermes has taught them . And it will get only worse . But no matter what name we get called , no matter what the world does to us , WE GOT THE JOY OF THE LORD and all things that come against us , GOD shall work to the GOOOD of all who LOVE HIM. IF we LOVE THE SON , WE LOVE THE FATHER . IF WE HONOR THE SON we HONOR THE FATHER . AND the proof of our love is not in words alone BUT IN HEART AND IN DEED . DO WE LOVE HIM , IF SO WE LOVE HIS SAYINGS .
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 20, 2019 18:45:46 GMT -5
I personally think it was Jesus also.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 20, 2019 19:02:46 GMT -5
I personally think it was Jesus also. Also something to really ponder and enjoy , Just who was that third man that appeared in the FLESH unto Abraham . THE LORD our GOD has walked the earth before . I also see such a beauty in what GOD did to MOSES . HE HID HIM in the CLEFT of the ROCK so that HE would not be destroyed as GOD passed by and HE caught the hinder most part of GOD . Do I see a connection between that rock and our LORD . I DO . I sure do . For without that HIDDEN place , no man can live in the presence of GOD . GOD IS HOLY and we know our flesh is not holy , we know that mankinds heart IS NOT HOLY either . MAN needs a savoir and ROME aint IT , nor is any other fake dead religion or mindset contrary TO CHRIST . CHRIST alone is savoir , and no matter how much even our churches in time will come against this gospel that DIVIDES , WE GOING OUT faithful TO HIM . WE must hold our CONFIDENCE IN HIM , STEADFAST TO THE END . And a mindset that says , There are other ways , IS NOT PLACING ALL TRUST IN HIM as the ONLY SAVOIR . WE must heed ONLY THE TRUE GOSPLE till our final breath . AND ITS GONNA OFFEND , oh boy is it GOING to SOON OFFEND a united religious mindset . OH no , should we fear ........................NOPE . LET ALL BODLYSAY , THE LORD IS OUR HELPER and we flat out wont fear men nor what they can DO to us . LET each grow only more in grace in and by the POWER of our LORD , feasting daily as healthy sheep on his wholesome doctrine in the bible . Let us heed the SPIRIT and let us grow in grace . WE HAVE TOTAL HOPE in the LORD . IN fact , there is NO HOPE at all without HIM . HE IS OUR HOPE , AND BELIEVE ME , HE IS ALL WE NEED . HANDS UP SISTER , ITS TIME TO REJOICE IN THE LORD .
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