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Post by John on Aug 14, 2019 3:43:04 GMT -5
I don't believe they really thought that. It was just something to falsely accuse me of. It was grasping at straws, as was calling me a non-conformist, but what nobody could show was non-conformist to what? It wasn't the SOF, so it had to be to the beliefs of the owner. Why should anyone have to conform to the beliefs of an individual? It is one thing to go into a place, know what they believe, and go against it. If I had gone in there promoting something like soul sleep, knowing that went against the SOF, and I was called a non-conformist and done that way, I would have accepted that. I have seen people at some of the consumer sites complain that they were forced out, but it was over things that were spelled out in the SOF. They had no valid reason to complain. They were non-conformists. They admitted what they were accused of was true. Then what is the problem? But to say I don't believe in inerrancy of scripture is to bear false witness.
So you said something the owner didn't agree with, but it wasn't against the Statement of Faith, but you got pushed out over it? Was it something to do with OSAS? What kind of consumer sites did you see complaints at? There are places where people can complain about bad web-sites, and there were complaints about WCF. Most were crazy things about imagined phony accounts. I think they were just paranoid. Some were upset over getting into problems because they were not in harmony with the SOF. If you know you are not in agreement with their SOF, what have you got to complain about? I had a legitimate gripe.
As for the controversy, Ezekiel 28:15 says, "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou was created, till iniquity was found in thee." This is speaking of Lucifer. George had posted a video claiming that nobody really understood the origins of evil, but it was a great mystery. I said that we do know where evil came from. It started with Lucifer. I further pointed out that the Bible never says God created Lucifer perfect, but it says that Lucifer was perfect in his ways or behavior till iniquity was found in him. George couldn't deal with the idea that I would suggest that Lucifer wasn't actually perfect when he was first created, rather than believing what it says, he was only perfect in his ways, so based on that, I was accused of not believing in inerrancy of scripture and called a non-conformist. There is nothing in their SOF that even remotely touches this topic, and George has no answers himself for how evil came into being. I think the bigger issue was OSAS. He was trying to make a point about his views on OSAS and my position messed them up.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 14, 2019 6:48:01 GMT -5
They were misconstrued as legalists. When you actually listen, they teach on living in the spirit to overcome both flesh and law. I’m a little surprised you haven’t studied them much. I have heard of puritans and associated them with holiness doctrine, but never really looked into their history or writings. With all the false everyone is a legalist mess being pushed today, I plan to seek out more puritan messages.
As with any group , just remember there will be bad seeds too . The best teachings , most sound I seen , were in early Anabaptists , but yes there were bad seeds in those too . I have seen folks attack people like Mennonites and puritains , YET FOR THE WRONGREASONS . OH , I know there are errors in them today . A menonnite preacher and I used to communicate often . And he said this as well , He told me , that I would not believe how bad the youth of their communites and all communites are infected with ROB BELL. OH YEAH its infliltrated all groups now . And that was five or so years ago . His group was big on evangelism and holiness and following Christ and reading sound doctrine , but even they were being influenced and infected with erroneous mindsets and teachings . Its just all over the place now . He just quit communicating at one point . I got worried because I thought maybe he started to conform to some things . It seemed as though he was changing a bit towards the end . But who knows , He may have just died . But I cannot find him anymore . But oh yes , these men , these micheal todds , and so on are not good news for the churches at all . We cannot change the pattern given us by the early church , IN ANY AGE . IT MUST remain the same to the end . And pandering to society , IS CHANGE no matter how well its meant or said . ITS NOT GOOD . What draws people to CHRIST . WHY GOD DOES . WE cannot change nor pander the message or application of all things written . WE must remain the same and GOD will draw WHO HE DRAWS as we , by the SPIRIT speak sound doctrine and apply that doctrine to all things we do or say . THAT IS ALL . TRUST IN GOD and just speak and live Truth by the SPIRIT Peter had quite a diverse group he preached to on the day of Pentecost . AND I DONT seem to remember him preaching or teaching a whole lot of messages that would pander to each group . HE JUST SPOKE TRUTH and three thousand reiceved it and many rejected it . WE must alter and change nothing of the original pattern to SO CALL DRAW anyone to church . ONLY GOD can draw the soul to Christ and WE Must BY THE SPIRIT simply speak the words of truth , holiness , message of repentance and saving faith . And who ever will come will come and whoever rejects will reject . This is also one of the last messages in revelations . WE must simply CLING TO CHRIST and LEARN SOUND DOCTRINE WELL .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 14, 2019 6:56:41 GMT -5
By the way, it is a revival of Puritanism that will usher in any true revival, not this counterfeit attempt to unite all religions, or even all Christian sects together, and COEXIST. We have to return to the Bible way of doing things. We have to get rid of this demon inspired notion that much of the New Testament was influenced by the culture, and therefore we can ignore it. We need to get away from this idea we know better than the early church leaders did, and have "evolved" to a higher place than they did, because every time someone says that, they are really saying they have evolved beyond God. It is His Word. To come out and say the culture impacted the writing or that we have grown to a better place or a more just place is to deny that the Bible is the Word of God. It disgusts me that anyone would accuse me of not believing in the inerrancy of scripture and that the Bible is God's Word while they themselves do not believe we have to fully follow it because they claim the writers had prejudices, or where sexists and homophobes. The Lord knows who really believes the Bible is His Word rather than just a book with good ideas we can take or leave.
You are right . That counterfit attempt , IS THE FALLING AWAY and UNIFICATION that will draw all as one RIGHT to the worship of the beast . And inclusivism its sister social gospel and many other things , ARE of the same dark spirit that will draw all as one right into the end time hour of the worship of the beast . And they as one will rage all out war against the saints . We must simply follow the IDENTICAL PATTERN given us in the bible . And if we had the SPIRIT , it would be OUR DESIRE TO DO SO . That is how you know a lamb from a goat . Goats will feed from anything their hearts love , and so will a lamb. THE DIFFERENCE IS , a goat will feed from many troughs , but a lamb , FROM ONLY THE BIBLE and ONLY WHAT AGREES WITH THE BIBLE .
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 14, 2019 8:50:48 GMT -5
Conservative Christians who used to be Lutheran/Southern Baptist/etc have fled churches going more liberal, and they’ve set up shop in the remaining decent denominations. You go to an Assembly of God church these days, half the people there are Reformists with a charismatic bent. That would be great if they conformed to the original church doctrine. But they’ve made the charismatic denominations just as dead as any other place.
I can’t much blame Mennonites for being guarded.
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Post by John on Aug 14, 2019 9:01:17 GMT -5
Conservative Christians who used to be Lutheran/Southern Baptist/etc have fled churches going more liberal, and they’ve set up shop in the remaining decent denominations. You go to an Assembly of God church these days, half the people there are Reformists with a charismatic bent. That would be great if they conformed to the original church doctrine. But they’ve made the charismatic denominations just as dead as any other place. I can’t much blame Mennonites for being guarded. Satan has people he sends into the churches to try to influence them to be more liberal. I experienced that myself. These people make it their mission to stomp out holiness doctrine. You are right. I can't blame them for protecting their congregation from potential threats.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 14, 2019 18:49:58 GMT -5
Conservative Christians who used to be Lutheran/Southern Baptist/etc have fled churches going more liberal, and they’ve set up shop in the remaining decent denominations. You go to an Assembly of God church these days, half the people there are Reformists with a charismatic bent. That would be great if they conformed to the original church doctrine. But they’ve made the charismatic denominations just as dead as any other place. I can’t much blame Mennonites for being guarded. Satan has people he sends into the churches to try to influence them to be more liberal. I experienced that myself. These people make it their mission to stomp out holiness doctrine. You are right. I can't blame them for protecting their congregation from potential threats.
Any man of GOD would protect the FLOCK from any false approach . It aint no BUSINESS , ITS LIFE . most them need to got get jobs and step down and MAY true ones stand up and sound the alarm once again . The Mennonites , oh butero , they are badly infected too with all this seeker rob bell , inclusive stuff . Its sucking anyone and everyone NOT in CHRIST right into its death trap . And if we don't watch and guard this place , MARK MY WORDS it will take us too . WE Must be more than vilgent and ever diligent . We must go out faithful to the LORD and do all things HE has said and the SPIRIT does say . It will take worthy and there is nothing now that I can do to stop it . I warned all I could . I cant even get back on worthy since they made the upgrades . Something so similar like this , happened to me at christain forums too . I never could type the same again . IT would always freeze on me . at worthy it takes forever now for me to even get on . And when I even go to check my messages , it wont connect , it just spins and spins like its trying to connect . OH , at least I did what I could when I was there . But now we gotta double down and watch out . Because this stuff can come on fast and take root quick if we do not watch it . Its going to take everything. Seriousness will wane more and more , a sensual feeling will increase , the pattern will keep be changed . AND WE cannot let it happen here . We just cant . TRUST IN GOD and get FAT in the bible . Learn it well and keep reading it and exhort daily . Because you are right butero . Many now come in under a guise and destroy churches over time . WELL THEY DO IT on WEB SITES TOO . SO if we notice anyone brining messages that fit in with this pander approach , WE have to keep not letting it on . Because I have seen folks that people would not ever think GO that direction . USED to preach heavy and big against it , AND NOW THEY IN IT . ITs a monster that will stop at nothing . And we must be viligant not a sentence of it even comes on here .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 14, 2019 18:55:26 GMT -5
Its going to be a battle and the cost will be our lives . That is where this will end up leading too . Well, COUNT THE COST and see all loss as only Gain . My mind is long made up . And if it costs me all, then it costs me all . I GOT MY HOPE , HIS NAME IS JESUS and I have no intention of even trying to consider what they might say . ITS TRUTH for me , Or nothing . There will be no deals . ITS THE WORD of GOD and HIS pattern , or NOTHING . DOUBLE DOWN . Everyone double down and stay alert . Cause its coming and nothing can stop it . WE must simply resist it , expose it , warn against it and remain in the PATTERN JESUS set and the apostels kept and taught . we will be called a cult , we will be called haters , we will be accused of not even knowing God , not knowing Christ . BUT I KNOW WHO I FOLLOW , and I wont budge from HIS SAYINGS and HIS PATTERN in all things .
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Post by John on Aug 14, 2019 18:58:40 GMT -5
Satan has people he sends into the churches to try to influence them to be more liberal. I experienced that myself. These people make it their mission to stomp out holiness doctrine. You are right. I can't blame them for protecting their congregation from potential threats.
Any man of GOD would protect the FLOCK from any false approach . It aint no BUSINESS , ITS LIFE . most them need to got get jobs and step down and MAY true ones stand up and sound the alarm once again . The Mennonites , oh butero , they are badly infected too with all this seeker rob bell , inclusive stuff . Its sucking anyone and everyone NOT in CHRIST right into its death trap . And if we don't watch and guard this place , MARK MY WORDS it will take us too . WE Must be more than vilgent and ever diligent . We must go out faithful to the LORD and do all things HE has said and the SPIRIT does say . It will take worthy and there is nothing now that I can do to stop it . I warned all I could . I cant even get back on worthy since they made the upgrades . Something so similar like this , happened to me at christain forums too . I never could type the same again . IT would always freeze on me . at worthy it takes forever now for me to even get on . And when I even go to check my messages , it wont connect , it just spins and spins like its trying to connect . OH , at least I did what I could when I was there . But now we gotta double down and watch out . Because this stuff can come on fast and take root quick if we do not watch it . Its going to take everything. Seriousness will wane more and more , a sensual feeling will increase , the pattern will keep be changed . AND WE cannot let it happen here . We just cant . TRUST IN GOD and get FAT in the bible . Learn it well and keep reading it and exhort daily . Because you are right butero . Many now come in under a guise and destroy churches over time . WELL THEY DO IT on WEB SITES TOO . SO if we notice anyone brining messages that fit in with this pander approach , WE have to keep not letting it on . Because I have seen folks that people would not ever think GO that direction . USED to preach heavy and big against it , AND NOW THEY IN IT . ITs a monster that will stop at nothing . And we must be viligant not a sentence of it even comes on here .
One of our members, who is Firm Foundation at WCF, told me the same thing is happening to him. He went into the chat and asked Ayin Jade if she was having any problems, and she said no. He contacted George and asked about it, and he never replied concerning that subject.
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Post by 777 on Aug 15, 2019 3:43:39 GMT -5
So you said something the owner didn't agree with, but it wasn't against the Statement of Faith, but you got pushed out over it? Was it something to do with OSAS? What kind of consumer sites did you see complaints at? There are places where people can complain about bad web-sites, and there were complaints about WCF. Most were crazy things about imagined phony accounts. I think they were just paranoid. Some were upset over getting into problems because they were not in harmony with the SOF. If you know you are not in agreement with their SOF, what have you got to complain about? I had a legitimate gripe.
As for the controversy, Ezekiel 28:15 says, "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou was created, till iniquity was found in thee." This is speaking of Lucifer. George had posted a video claiming that nobody really understood the origins of evil, but it was a great mystery. I said that we do know where evil came from. It started with Lucifer. I further pointed out that the Bible never says God created Lucifer perfect, but it says that Lucifer was perfect in his ways or behavior till iniquity was found in him. George couldn't deal with the idea that I would suggest that Lucifer wasn't actually perfect when he was first created, rather than believing what it says, he was only perfect in his ways, so based on that, I was accused of not believing in inerrancy of scripture and called a non-conformist. There is nothing in their SOF that even remotely touches this topic, and George has no answers himself for how evil came into being. I think the bigger issue was OSAS. He was trying to make a point about his views on OSAS and my position messed them up.
It has been a while since I read their Statement of Faith, but I am pretty sure you are right. I don't remember that kind of thing being mentioned. I see what you mean about that verse. It really doesn't say Lucifer was perfect, but perfect in his ways. I don't see how someone can say that means you don't believe in inerrancy of scripture!
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Post by 777 on Aug 15, 2019 3:45:18 GMT -5
Any man of GOD would protect the FLOCK from any false approach . It aint no BUSINESS , ITS LIFE . most them need to got get jobs and step down and MAY true ones stand up and sound the alarm once again . The Mennonites , oh butero , they are badly infected too with all this seeker rob bell , inclusive stuff . Its sucking anyone and everyone NOT in CHRIST right into its death trap . And if we don't watch and guard this place , MARK MY WORDS it will take us too . WE Must be more than vilgent and ever diligent . We must go out faithful to the LORD and do all things HE has said and the SPIRIT does say . It will take worthy and there is nothing now that I can do to stop it . I warned all I could . I cant even get back on worthy since they made the upgrades . Something so similar like this , happened to me at christain forums too . I never could type the same again . IT would always freeze on me . at worthy it takes forever now for me to even get on . And when I even go to check my messages , it wont connect , it just spins and spins like its trying to connect . OH , at least I did what I could when I was there . But now we gotta double down and watch out . Because this stuff can come on fast and take root quick if we do not watch it . Its going to take everything. Seriousness will wane more and more , a sensual feeling will increase , the pattern will keep be changed . AND WE cannot let it happen here . We just cant . TRUST IN GOD and get FAT in the bible . Learn it well and keep reading it and exhort daily . Because you are right butero . Many now come in under a guise and destroy churches over time . WELL THEY DO IT on WEB SITES TOO . SO if we notice anyone brining messages that fit in with this pander approach , WE have to keep not letting it on . Because I have seen folks that people would not ever think GO that direction . USED to preach heavy and big against it , AND NOW THEY IN IT . ITs a monster that will stop at nothing . And we must be viligant not a sentence of it even comes on here .
One of our members, who is Firm Foundation at WCF, told me the same thing is happening to him. He went into the chat and asked Ayin Jade if she was having any problems, and she said no. He contacted George and asked about it, and he never replied concerning that subject.
So there is a pattern to this? Wow.
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