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Post by John on Aug 13, 2019 6:30:04 GMT -5
IF ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things of the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: IN the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
If you are a born again Christian, we are told to seek those things which are above. Be heavenly minded, where Christ sits at the right hand of God the Father. Don't spend your time on earthly things. If you are born again, your old man is dead, and you are alive in Christ. That is what baptism represents. Your old man of sin goes down in death, and the new man is raised up. When the Lord returns, if you are a new creature in Christ Jesus and following the Lord, you will be with him in glory.
Mortify means to subdue. We are told to subdue the members of our body. Stop sinning. He gives a list of examples of things that we are not to be engaged in. This is by no means a complete list of sins of the flesh, but it is a good start, and they are things that sadly are all too often named among professing Christians. Because of these sins, the wrath of God comes upon the "children of disobedience." That means God will bring wrath upon all sinners, even if they are Christians.
In times past, before your new birth, you walked as a sinner. I have seen a lot of people twist this to mean that it is speaking to them, even if they are "sinning saints." Not hardly! This only applies to you if you are not doing those things anymore. In times past, you walked in them. If you are still doing them, it is times present. In the past, you lived in them. It is assumed that you don't do these things anymore. If you do them now, expect God's wrath to come upon you.
Christ is calling his saints to put away sinful behavior and be obedient children. I encourage us all to examine our lives. Have we mortified the deeds of our flesh? Have we subdued the sinful ways of the old man? Are we living as a new creature in Christ Jesus where old things are past away and all things are now made new? If you want the blessings of God in your life, you need to walk according to the new man and keep your mind on things above. If you want to have any inheritance in God's Kingdom, you need to put off the old man. Now is the time. None of us have any promise of our next minute, let alone the next day.
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Post by solid on Aug 13, 2019 6:37:17 GMT -5
I am glad you mentioned that about sins of the past. It never made sense to me how people will be committing fornication or other things like that and say that they are among those it is talking to where sins were in the past. If you are doing them, you are right. They are present.
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Post by John on Aug 13, 2019 6:40:52 GMT -5
I am glad you mentioned that about sins of the past. It never made sense to me how people will be committing fornication or other things like that and say that they are among those it is talking to where sins were in the past. If you are doing them, you are right. They are present. It doesn't make any sense. They will claim passages like the one in 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 only applies to sinners, not Christians, when they are engaged in the same sinful behavior. They still are sinners! It does apply to them. It is one of the silliest perversions of scripture I have ever seen.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 13, 2019 7:14:31 GMT -5
No matter what was written in those letters , it was written to the believers that they do that which is good in the sight of GOD and avoid what is evil . Paul affirms often , as does peter , jude , james , that the old man is to be crucified . Paul is quite clear , Its for these things that the wrath of GOD comes on the children of disobedience , SO DO NOT be partakers of their sins . God is not mocked , if one sows to the flesh , they will reap corruption . But if they sow to the SPIRIT , life everlasting . Who we obey , IS OUR MASTER . We are debtors , BUT NOT TO THE FLESH , for if you live after the flesh YOU WILL DIE BUT if you through the SPIRIT do MORTIFY the deeds of the flesh , ye shall live . Brethren if any of YOU do ERR from the truth and one converts the sinner from the error of his ways , HE has saved a soul From death and covered a multitude of sins . SO then so long as she lives IN PLEASURE , SHE IS DEAD . Dead . Same language all over the letters . To live in sin is to be dead . Thus we have a pattern . First teach sound pure doctrine and leaders should be grave , instructing the church to follow the Spirit and walk in Holiness , righteousness soberly and godly and put to death the deeds of the body . Speaking of all promises and all warnings . Second ensure all peoples are reading bibles daily . Thirdly rebuke leaven and error the Second it surfaces in a person , for not only the sake of the one in error , but the sake of the group . For a lil leaven will leaven that group . Remind that if one does err , confess and forsake , pray that ye might be healed . KEEP the pattern IDENTICAL to WHAT CHRIST taught and the apostels WHO knew HIM taught and kept . And here is how sin was seen . JESUS said this about sin . NOW GO and SIN NO MORE . And also GO and sin no more lest an even worse thing come upon you . Paul , Let all who name the name of Christ depart from inquity . Paul. Let these things , sin, NOT be once named among you as becometh saints . Paul , For if you will walk after the SPIRIT ye would not fulfill the lusts of the flesh . Paul, And those who are CHRISTS have CRUCIFIED the affections and lusts of the flesh . The affections and lusts of the flesh are SIN . Now . Anyone wanna tell me why on earth todays men and women , DO NOT HAVE THIS MINDSET concering SIN ANY LONGER . Wanna know why , because if nothing we do can cause us to fall , That in no way can we lose salvation , THEN NO WONDER they see it as no big deal anymore . So now lets Look at what GOD , from heaven , says to the seven churches . Read each message . And notice that anytime error was spotted it was REPENT OR ELSE . REPENT OR ELSE .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 13, 2019 7:23:05 GMT -5
And yet because I remind of the very things that Christ did , and the apostels did I am accused of not trusting in or having faith in CHRIST or the finished works .
BUT if we warn as did the early church , WHO I KNOW TRUSTED IN HIM and the FINSIHED WORKS And they avoid this THEN IN TRUTH , WHO are the ones NOT TRUSTING IN THE VERY WORDS INSPIRED BY THE SPIRIT . See how slippery that SLOPE TRULY IS . If paul warned the church to not be highminded but fear , to take heed , because if GOD spared not the natural branches , TAKE HEED lest he spare not you . And that if we continue not in the goodness of GOD will , not might , BUT WILL BE CUT OFF . AND JESUS HIMSELF had said , IF a man continues not in me , HE IS CAST OUT . THEN who is trusting in who when they say this does not apply to believers . How can a man who has no faith and be in unbelief , EVEN BE IN THE TREE in the FIRST PLACE . HOW can GOD tell people who , as they claim did not have true faith , TO RETURN to the LOVE THEY ONCE HAD . IF they were not walking IN HIM AT ONE TIME . YALL , folks are lying to us real bad these days . And we must dig only deeper in bibles and learn the pattern well . For many lie in wait to deceive , specially in these days . They know what to say , how to approach and make their cause seem just YET their solution is ever contrary to the original solution and pattern . We better be on guard , because it starts so subtile at the beginning . Very tricky , very crafity these men are and they know full well how to allure through the sensual emotions of men .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 13, 2019 7:35:34 GMT -5
They keep repacking and recycling the worst stuff and every time this is done they make the people who believe them into twice fold the child of hell than even they were . IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE MAN . They keep repacking what they know works and we on the second generation of seeker friendly , and seeker friendly has got so bad now it embraces homosexuality and even the concepts of what ROME teaches , that GOD is okay with all religions and that we all children of GOD . WHAT A LIE . but It keeps getting worse and it will . The result of this is an agenda of satan himself . preparing and making the world and churches and all religions , secular or not READY FOR THE BEAST , a system ready , a mindset ready to worship it and to be able to convince the entire world , that it is time to rid the earth of all who opposes its mindset . And at one level or another and in one way or another MANY are already infected and influenced to some degree into that mindset . AND ITS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE . The objective is to shut down the true way of evangelism and create what seems as a right way of evangelism. AND THIS they have already done . THE NEXT STEP to arise , and it too has already arrived , IS to make the old way of evangelism seem dangerous , divisive , and not an answer but rather a problem . This is increasing as we see even the POPE saying PREACHING the gospel is like jihad , AND YET his solution , his answer , IS THS SPECIAL REVELAED UNITY WHICH IT claims IS FROM GOD for world unity and peace . SO GUESS what the third step is , TO COME FULL FORCE against anything that opposes this . AND MY FRIENDS , in time that WILL BE US . THIS WILL LEAD to the total shutdown of preaching ONLY ONE PATH AS VALID . AND before anyone asks , BUT HOW can this affect the gospel . REAL EASY , BECAUSE JESUS TRULY IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED . THEY WILL COME FOR US IN TIME . As this all inclusive fills them to the full and prepares them for that final hour Under the beast . And to be honest , its already got quite bad and quite advanced , so time indeed is running out . WE GOT ALL HOPE , whether we live or die , BUT ANY who goes under this has no hope at their end . ITs bad news for all who receive this inclusive false love go spell . Bad news . At the end we were warned of a massive falling away . I don't know how much more massive it can get , WHEN EVEN the so called churches have removed JESUS as the ONLY WAY and speak of all religions and good works as being evidence one follows god . Do notice the lil g . JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY and if a man believes not from the HEART and confess him by mouth Then THAT SOUL DOES NOT KNOW HIM , BUT DENYS HIM .
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Post by John on Aug 13, 2019 7:46:42 GMT -5
You are right Frienduff. There are many false teachers lying to the church, beckoning them to leave the difficult straight and narrow path, to join them on the broad road. Some even go so far as to call this entering into God's rest. What a deception. People believe it because they want to. They desire an easier road to life, but they are deceived. The broad road of living according to the flesh leads to eternal damnation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 9:01:51 GMT -5
There comes a point where we are not to receive or bid Godspeed to those who are preaching another gospel. I think it's only a matter of time for a lot of evangelical churches before they start to hold fundraising dances, casino nights and Bingos like the Catholic churches do...sadly. How can two walk together except they be agreed...we just can't walk with those who bring false gospels.
Paul was preaching mostly to Gentiles and who needed instructing in righteousness. Believing Jews had an advantage of having already been instructed out of the Law, they already had some idea of what was right and wrong in the sight of God, but this was not so for Gentiles who were former pagans...they just did not even know what the concept of sin was and needed instructing. From my observation and experience when someone comes to faith in Christ all sins and bondages do not necessarily automatically fall off right away...there is a learning curve and a good fight of faith to fight against the flesh.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 13, 2019 9:03:28 GMT -5
Let me add to this in case any confused people are reading... we do not teach that Christians should use their own human willpower, intellect, or psychology methods to change behavior. Such efforts are always limited and usually temporary. What we need is for the Holy Spirit to empower us.
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Post by John on Aug 13, 2019 10:10:05 GMT -5
Let me add to this in case any confused people are reading... we do not teach that Christians should use their own human willpower, intellect, or psychology methods to change behavior. Such efforts are always limited and usually temporary. What we need is for the Holy Spirit to empower us. I believe in resisting the devil with all of our might until true deliverance comes. I agree that we need the power of the Holy Spirit to free us from the bondages of sin.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 13, 2019 12:29:32 GMT -5
You are right Frienduff. There are many false teachers lying to the church, beckoning them to leave the difficult straight and narrow path, to join them on the broad road. Some even go so far as to call this entering into God's rest. What a deception. People believe it because they want to. They desire an easier road to life, but they are deceived. The broad road of living according to the flesh leads to eternal damnation.
And the simple truth is this . I will use the worst of the wicked and show exactly what GOD DID and continues to do .
I was the worst of many . Facts are facts so we may as well not debate this . According to the flesh most folks I know would have been saints next to me . Course we know all are evil . That was just an example . OKAY . BUT then one day it was grace , and what did grace do ., LED ME RIGHT TO REPENTANCE . TOTALLY NEW MIND , TOTALLY NEW DIRECTION . Love for evil replaced with LOVE for that which is GOOD . As that desire was given , all the sayings of JESUS I read , were nothing but TOTAL JOY . Even when I read and learned I could not be remarried , TOTAL JOY . I have had total joy and happiness in the keeping of JESUS SAYINGS by the power of HIS SPIRIT that dwells within . His burden is easy , ITS JOY MAN , and his yoke is light , its joy and peace to do just heed the SPIRIT . Now , what has caused me sorrow , pain , grief , WHENEVER I HAVE ERRED . THAT is what is heavy and burdensome , HIS YOKE IS NOT Disobediacne IS NOW what is heavy and a toil to the soul . WHEN JESUS said my burden is easy , my yoke is light , THIS IS SO TRUE . TOTAL REST when I am in obedience unto the SPIRIT . BUT DISSARY and a troubled soul when I have erred . THE SIN that does so war against what , THE SOUL . SO , folks need to cease with these lies I hear all over the churches . And need to stop giving false hope in acroymns , and rather GIVE THE REAL HOPE IN CHRIST . AND YES there will be many times of warnings as well as encouragments . BUT IF IT ALL POINTS TO JESUS and ALL HIS SAYINGS , THEN ITS JUST FOOD OF BEAUTY AND TOTAL EDIFICATION to the SOUL . SO , LET all who name the name of JESUS depart FROM INQUITY and let not these things be once named among you as becometh saints , FOR SIN WILL DESTROY YOU it will harden the heart and literally destroy the faith . ITS WHY we must correct asap , Its why by that same Spirit we must warn and encourage . AND DO SO DAILY .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 13, 2019 12:40:16 GMT -5
How does can sin destroy the faith one might ask . Real easy . Folks become tormented in mind when they are in sin . They then are easy prey to another jesus gospel . THe one that teaches , HEY relax , You cant lose salvation . INSTEAD of learning the POWER OF JESUS and that HE CAN INDEED set those who believe in HIM , FREE FROM THE POWER of sin THAT JESUS is never preached . SO folks struggle on day by day in sin , and then when the mind has been tormented long enough A BAD ANSWER WILL COME and they will SO early run right too . AND YET the one thing remains the same , THEY NEVER KNOW THE POWER OF CHRIST WHO SETS MEN FREE . THEY only feel FREE , they only THINK I am free , and yet they servants to sin . WHO would preach a gospel that does not set captives free . WHY the ONE WHO HELD THOSE CAPTIVES IN BONDAGE WOUULD ...................... WE BETTER START teaching folks THE WHOLE GOSPLE MAN . Because by pointing to CHRIST , folks who might be trapped , WILL ACTUALLY believe they can be set free AND THEY WILL CRY TO BE SET FREE . AND GOD WILL SURELY HEAR that prayer . Folks I know people sin , But it must be never taken lightly AND it must never be taught we cannot learn , that we cannot cease from sin . PAUL NEVER SAID THAT , HE SAID TO CEASE FROM SIN . TO STOP IT . WE MUST TOO . WE must keep the pattern identical and point to JESUS and remind them OF ALL THINGS that both HE and those apostels who knew HIM had taught . And the pattern includes correction for if one errs . WE MUST DO ALL THINGS BY THAT SAME SPIRIT that the early church BOTH TAUGHT and LIVED . OR WE will not make it . The same spirit that was in them , IF IT IS TRULY IN US , WOULD BE TELLING US THIS . IT REMINDS ME DAILY , so it would remind all daily . AND the same SPIRIT would unction those who are more mature to guide and teach the others as well . SAME AS BACK THEN . NO CHANGES , BUT THE SAME .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 13, 2019 12:52:30 GMT -5
Let me add to this in case any confused people are reading... we do not teach that Christians should use their own human willpower, intellect, or psychology methods to change behavior. Such efforts are always limited and usually temporary. What we need is for the Holy Spirit to empower us. But we should teach them to not sin or err . And we should remind them as did paul , IF YOU WILL FOLLOW THE SPIRIT then you WONT , lets look at that word again , YOU WONT FULLFILL the lusts of the flesh . IF YOU FOLLOW THE SPIRIT , YOU WONT SIN . HE MAY AS WELL HAVE SAID THAT . Because how true that is . IF we mind the SPIRIT and we truly have the SPIRIT , then when the flesh pops up any lustful thought THE SPIRIT HAMMERS OUT ALARM BELLS . Anybody want an example . SEE if we say sin is not in our flesh , WE ARE LIARS . Because we all have evil present within us . AND its going to tempt us . ITS JUST , that if we have the SPIRIT , THE MOMENT we are tempted of our own flesh , THAT SPIRIT is gonna be RIGHT THEIR TO WARN US BY CONVICTION . DONT DO IT , aka , DONT LOOK , aka , DONT THINK ON THIS . And we do have POWER over it . We have the choice to obey the SPIRITS warnings and cease , OR to entertain the lust and go right into SIN . WE BETTER OBEY THE SPIRIT and not the flesh . And that same spirit would tell us to warn and remind others , TO Cease from sin , to not let evil be named once among us as becometh saints . I think people forget , those words were SPIRIT INSPIRED , Just as were ALL TRUTH . And why did paul warn , BECAUSE THE HOLY GHOST had it planted in his heart , TO DO SO Folks think warners are acting by their own flesh , BUT THIS IS NOT THE CASE with all who do warn . The true warners and exhorters , WARN and exhort BY THE SPIRIT to do all for the GOOD of the others . REMINDERS are FROM THE SPIRIT to each one . IF SO BE the warnings and reminders ARE TRUTH and magnify and HONOR the LORD . But if any warning or encouragement is contradictory to any WORD that JESUS said or them apostels wrote , or to that pattern of correction and godly edfication . ITS NOT COMING FROM THE GHOST CALLED MOST HOLY , its coming from the flesh and darkness .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 13, 2019 12:58:42 GMT -5
Folks , ol frienduff aint got time to call a spade a dark object that has a funny shape , I WILL CALL IT A SPADE . TRUTH is always RIGHT to the POINT and does not beat around the bush . Whether it comes very grave or however , IF ITS TRUTH ITS VERY BLACK AND WHITE and RIGHT TO THE POINT . And it never finds a way around the truth . TRUTH don't do that . The liar does do that . The time for pandering to emotions , MUST END . And the time to serve GOD and do what is best for others , MUST TRULY BEGIN . Lets face facts now . WE are going to offend by teaching truth . Those who receive it , WILL THANK GOD FOR IT and those who reject it , will just hate us only more . ITS The way it is . AND WE DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE the church to pander to the world to win souls . IF WE DO THAT , WE LOSE EVERYTHING . JESUS SET THE PATTERN and we must never once try and change it . WE MUST SIMPLY LIVE IT and expound unto others to do the same . And do all things HE instructed , BELIEVING EVERYTHING HE EVER SAID OR TAUGHT and changing NOTHING .
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Post by John on Aug 13, 2019 13:08:46 GMT -5
For the most part, those preaching we can't stop sinning are still slaves to sin. They never experienced the power of God to set them free. Most don't want to quit sinning, so they don't even resist temptations. God knows they aren't wanting free, so he leaves them in bondage. In the meantime, they keep misinterpreting Paul's words in Romans.
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