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Post by frienduff on Aug 13, 2019 13:20:23 GMT -5
Let me add to this in case any confused people are reading... we do not teach that Christians should use their own human willpower, intellect, or psychology methods to change behavior. Such efforts are always limited and usually temporary. What we need is for the Holy Spirit to empower us. I believe in resisting the devil with all of our might until true deliverance comes. I agree that we need the power of the Holy Spirit to free us from the bondages of sin.
and that is what JAMES said , peter said , paul said . James flat out told the church , Sumbit to GOD and RESIST THE DEVIL and that the devil will flee .......................flee . And that letter was INSPIRED BY THE SPIRIT . WE must continue reminding all and doing so daily . The early church did , and if we have the same spirit , THEN WE WOULD TOO . The men need to mount up and take care of the churches , and the women need to do all to aide them , and the body should do all to supply what is needed . FOLKS we are and have always been at one point . CHOOSE YE THIS DAY WHOM YE SHALL SERVE and LET US RUN FULL FORCE INTO THE TRENCHES SERVING ONLY GOD and doing all to exhort daily to build up the church and keep it safe from the vileset of men and many who do teach contrary today . The time of pandering to dead empty sermons of men who have long done all to CHANGE THE CHURCH to pander to sinners , IS OVER . I see a man doing that , HE WILL GET EXPOSED . IF we see a man or any teaching what ought not to be taught , THEY will get exposed and warned against . The churches are not in the beginning of decay , and they are just falling apart , ITS at the stage where its in total free fall smashed flat . AND NOW THEY BUILD the largest GODLEN BULL THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN . And the many are running and many more will run RIGHT TO ITS SOLUTION . WE are not witnessing the beginning of decay , WE ARE WITNESSING TOTAL DESTRUCTION NOW with TOTAL DECEPTOIN and a WHOLE ONE WORLD MINDSET ALL INCLUSVIE GOLDEN BULL is being made in the fire . FOR NOW JESUS MAKES INTERCESSION and uses the saints to warn and expose to correct . BECAUSE MOSES TOO did all to make intercession for the people , BUT WHEN HE RETURNED MOSES CAME WITH WRATH and quite a few thousand who had done the evil were KILLED . BUT HOW MUCH WORSE for those who trod not moses under foot and built the golden calf , BUT TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT and now worship the incluisive golden bull . MANY in heart have long said , OH this JESUS has been gone a long time and they have went to work doing all kinds of evil . Mocking even those who now say , And warn that the Coming of the LORD indeed draws nigh and shall come as a thief upon the world . OH , BUT IT WILL . And all who were not in the ark but had pleasure in the bulls all inclusive sin , Will not be able to enter that door , WHEN ONCE THE SON OF MAN HAS RISEN UP . OH they will cry and plead and bang and knock , BUT THE DOOR will not open . WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NOW . Double down all efforts to keep any false pattern from coming into these doors , expose it all , and daily POINT ONLY TO JESUS and ALL THAT PATTERN .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 14, 2019 5:56:34 GMT -5
For the most part, those preaching we can't stop sinning are still slaves to sin. They never experienced the power of God to set them free. Most don't want to quit sinning, so they don't even resist temptations. God knows they aren't wanting free, so he leaves them in bondage. In the meantime, they keep misinterpreting Paul's words in Romans.
This is why we must have the same approach towards sin as the early church taught . If we will simply keep that which has been taught in memory and keep being refreshed in those letters and all sound doctrine then it keeps us refreshed . I have found those pure words to be such a refreshing to the soul . With all the opinions of men floating about , we need more than ever to be continuously refreshed in what we KNOW is TRUTH . Opinions of men will surely dull the senses when we take heed to that kind of advice and sit and just hear it . Yet the Word and words of GOD found in the scripture are , along with the HOLY SPIRIT that gives grace to know , understand and grow , Are what sharpens our senses . This too I believe is why GOD , for our own good , tells us not to be unequally yoked together . We start to slip and become dull when we in and are yoked with the wrong company and wrong teachings and wrong examples . And its why the Spirit has us to flee that which is evil. Its why paul by the Spirit would remind the church about how even a lil leaven can leaven the whole lump . A more modern example would be , look what seeker friendly really did in essence . Under its concept people were taught a wrong pattern . And when sinners were allowed in , YET NOT CORRECTED but rather PANDERED TOO It destroyed . IF , for example , a gay man comes into a church and their is no conviction of sin , but rather just the pandering to what makes him happy and feel loved REST assured that man will have a false peace and will even praise the LORD , and this in turn will have those who did such a thing THINKING oh wow we are winning them to Christ . WHEN in fact what really happens is , folks begin to see them as geuniuine , andyet they did not repent of that sin . Under the concept of how many churches , longback , began to view the church and its view towards sin , has led to this final hour . What I mean is , When you teach folks and give the impression that sin cannot be ceased , or maybe try and sin less , BUT NOT the approach the true church had its going to lead to much worse . NOW , today most live in sin , and anyone else in a sin , a right out willfull sin , THEY SEE as no different than themselves . Thus the mindset hey we all sinners has really taken root and the effect is total bad news . Because now it has leavened quite full . And correction is gone , and embracing has well long began . It just goes from bad to worse when the original pattern towards anything gets changed . How many folks have you all heard say , HEY we all sin man , WHENEVER , say for example one says homosexuality is sin . The mindset has changed big time towards sin. The dire need to truly warn one in error has long been replaced with don't judge we all sin , just love and hug them to JESUS and the SPIRIT will convict them . BUT that is the problem . IF ONE HAS THE SPIRIT would they not be ALREADY CORRECTING and doing all to warn a soul . And this has led to acceptance of sins and worse and worse it keeps getting . Without correction the place only gets worse . Now more and more embrace homosexuality under a banner of love , so called love . And now they do this with other religions and now folks are accepting all religions under a banner of so called love and thinking The GOD of Love is all accepting of even other religions now . We are headed into an all out total falling away from truth . SO what we must DO , IS KEEP the pattern about anything , THE SAME AS DID THE APOSTELS WHO WE KNOW KNEW CHRIST . IF we change that pattern , things will quickly begin to fall . Instead let all only increase the reading of the bible and my advice is that we put down all other books and Watch out for who you listen to on the internet . Get more refreshed in the bible again . If we leave off being refreshed in the bible , and the THINGS of GOD our senses will dull and we will then no longer be able to see , to discern and then we will wax worse and worse . We must make an all out call to ensure folks are reading bibles daily and take heed to the SPIRIT and what is written in that bible .
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 14, 2019 9:28:06 GMT -5
I know we may sound like a broken record on the topic of fighting sin, but until we make more progress on this front as a body, there’s not much else we can do. No more great revelations are coming to a church in this mess. No more power is coming to the body when it’s so diseased. Hebrews talks of waging war against sin to the point of it being painful. We are nowhere near that. We’re like a bunch of grade schoolers who constantly want to move on to “the meat” of physics and chemistry, yet we haven’t got our times tables down. But we trudge on through physics, figuring out a bit here and there — ah, 3 x 5 is always 15 — and then we congratulate ourselves on how much we’ve grown. A few students are sitting in the corner saying we need to hit worksheets to learn our sums. But nah, we’ve been through all that, we know enough to get by, and anyway it’s discouraging to do the same thing over and over.
So we use our lousy engineering skills to build structures that collapse. Oops another building fell. Nah, we don’t need to go back to those times tables worksheets, the problem is we had too small a budget. Drum up more revenue from the church members. Make them drum up more visitors. Get a business consultant to teach us leadership methods. With enough money and influence, who needs math??
Is the war against sin just a matter of appeasing God’s high standards? Is it just a way to stay out of trouble? Or is the war on sin a necessary work to bring and health and mobility to the body?
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Post by John on Aug 14, 2019 10:12:33 GMT -5
I know we may sound like a broken record on the topic of fighting sin, but until we make more progress on this front as a body, there’s not much else we can do. No more great revelations are coming to a church in this mess. No more power is coming to the body when it’s so diseased. Hebrews talks of waging war against sin to the point of it being painful. We are nowhere near that. We’re like a bunch of grade schoolers who constantly want to move on to “the meat” of physics and chemistry, yet we haven’t got our times tables down. But we trudge on through physics, figuring out a bit here and there — ah, 3 x 5 is always 15 — and then we congratulate ourselves on how much we’ve grown. A few students are sitting in the corner saying we need to hit worksheets to learn our sums. But nah, we’ve been through all that, we know enough to get by, and anyway it’s discouraging to do the same thing over and over. So we use our lousy engineering skills to build structures that collapse. Oops another building fell. Nah, we don’t need to go back to those times tables worksheets, the problem is we had too small a budget. Drum up more revenue from the church members. Make them drum up more visitors. Get a business consultant to teach us leadership methods. With enough money and influence, who needs math?? Is the war against sin just a matter of appeasing God’s high standards? Is it just a way to stay out of trouble? Or is the war on sin a necessary work to bring and health and mobility to the body? I think the problem is much worse than immaturity in the church. I wish that is all it was. The church is sin sick and dying because the wages of sin is death. It is spreading through the body. The enemy got hold of what were considered fringe preachers that few took serious and made them mainstream. The devil has been advancing taking one congregation at a time. He sends a few of his representatives into churches who influence the Pastor that we need to get with the times if we want to grow. They convince them not to preach against sin, because if you just get them in, Jesus will clean them up. That doesn't happen. It is our responsibility to make disciples. They look at the research and push casual dress, showing no respect for God's house. They make light of the place of worship as being considered holy ground. It is just a building. We are told not to preach about hell. Scaring people doesn't work they say, so we don't warn people. God is a loving Father so he won't do anything if you do sin. God only has a handful of people he can count on that haven't been deceived by these lies or that He can count on to keep preaching the truth and sounding the warnings. You come to a place like this, and we come across as unbalanced in preaching against sin all the time, but we are but a small number trying to counter all the false teachers. What I see is not immature Christians, but deceived, hell bound professing Christians that really don't know God. They may have started out in the right way, but they sure aren't following God now. These deceitful workers are gradually making converts to their false doctrine. Sheep are dying and going to hell that were on their way to heaven starting out because they fell for the lies that any attempt to cease from sin to remain saved is a works based salvation and failing to enter into God's rest. What I am trying to do and what I see others like me trying to do is rescue sheep heading to the slaughter, and keep others from leaving the sheepfold. It is about life and death, not just carnal baby Christians that won't mature.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 14, 2019 10:32:12 GMT -5
Certainly all of what you said is true. The mainstream body is slowly dying. My comment was aimed at the sincere believers who we would consider the best case scenario today. Even among the best these days, immaturity and spiritual blindness are the norm. It seems like the superstars are those who are barely treading water. Yeah because they are better than the seekers, they think they are qualified to move on to the meat. They’re not as bad as the Joel Osteen crowd, so why keep harping about sin to them?
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Post by John on Aug 14, 2019 10:37:17 GMT -5
Certainly all of what you said is true. The mainstream body is slowly dying. My comment was aimed at the sincere believers who we would consider the best case scenario today. Even among the best these days, immaturity and spiritual blindness are the norm. It seems like the superstars are those who are barely treading water. Yeah because they are better than the seekers, they think they are qualified to move on to the meat. They’re not as bad as the Joel Osteen crowd, so why keep harping about sin to them? You are absolutely right. The bar has been set very low.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Aug 14, 2019 11:50:31 GMT -5
...They will claim passages like the one in 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 only applies to sinners, not Christians, when they are engaged in the same sinful behavior... “...Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant...” - Luke 19:22
Instead of them forsake their sins, they insist in them and shout they're saved no matter what.
How would someone tell this before the Lord in that Day?!
It would be like:
I knew You are holy and that You hate sin.
Then the Lord will say:
If you knew I hated sin then why have you insisted to walk in them your whole life?
“...And he was speechless.” - Matthew 22:12
“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away,
and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’” - Matthew 22:13
“For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” - Matthew 12:37
“And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” - John 3:19
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 16:01:31 GMT -5
As long as the whole gospel gets preached and reminded of, I'm happy. It truly is such good news, and believe it or not there are those who need encouragement to hold fast their confidence, because they are poor in spirit. A bruised reed God will not break and a smoldering wick He will not snuff out. The ones who need to be warned and corrected to cease sinning are those who are sinning I would think, while those who have left their sinful life behind need to go on to maturity and prepare for the coming of the Lord since the time is getting shorter.
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Post by John on Aug 14, 2019 17:22:53 GMT -5
As long as the whole gospel gets preached and reminded of, I'm happy. It truly is such good news, and believe it or not there are those who need encouragement to hold fast their confidence, because they are poor in spirit. A bruised reed God will not break and a smoldering wick He will not snuff out. The ones who need to be warned and corrected to cease sinning are those who are sinning I would think, while those who have left their sinful life behind need to go on to maturity and prepare for the coming of the Lord since the time is getting shorter. Yes and no. If someone has ceased from sin, they do need to hear more than just one message after another not to sin, but just because someone has quit sinning now, that doesn't mean they won't be tempted to return to sin later. For that reason, they need to hear that message on a regular basis too as a warning.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Aug 14, 2019 20:21:44 GMT -5
Yes and no. If someone has ceased from sin, they do need to hear more than just one message after another not to sin, but just because someone has quit sinning now, that doesn't mean they won't be tempted to return to sin later. For that reason, they need to hear that message on a regular basis too as a warning. I would like to know what is the problem in reminding people to avoid sin.
If anyone has a problem hearing that it is just a reason they need to hear more.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 14, 2019 20:54:22 GMT -5
Certainly all of what you said is true. The mainstream body is slowly dying. My comment was aimed at the sincere believers who we would consider the best case scenario today. Even among the best these days, immaturity and spiritual blindness are the norm. It seems like the superstars are those who are barely treading water. Yeah because they are better than the seekers, they think they are qualified to move on to the meat. They’re not as bad as the Joel Osteen crowd, so why keep harping about sin to them? You are absolutely right. The bar has been set very low.
IF the bar , the mark IS NOT SET ON JESUS , THE CHURCH FAILS . IT wont make it . WE MUST LEARN TO WALK AS HE DID . AND john is right . IF WE say HE abides in us , THEN WE WALK AS DID HE . THE BAR IS SET ON JESUS , or FAILURE . ITS that black and white . Course most folks attack that message and reminder too . But as I said , WE GONNA FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL PATTERN THAT JESUS SET and the APOSTELS WOULD TEACH TOO . ITS ALL , OR ITS NOTHING . HANDS UP AND PRIASE THE LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 14, 2019 21:01:53 GMT -5
That's right sister candance . The bar the mark the prize IS JESUS or not at all . And its written by paul , we don't compare ourselves to other men . It don't matter if one is not as wicked or greedy as ostein IF THEY aint walking as did CHRIST , THEY AINT GONNA MAKE IT . Folks can deceive themselves all day with words like , WELL I aint as bad as so and so , WELL it don't matter , SIN is sin and if the bar is not set on CHRIST and to walk as did HE ITS ALL IN VAIN . THEY WONT MAKE IT .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 14, 2019 21:05:00 GMT -5
Yes and no. If someone has ceased from sin, they do need to hear more than just one message after another not to sin, but just because someone has quit sinning now, that doesn't mean they won't be tempted to return to sin later. For that reason, they need to hear that message on a regular basis too as a warning. I would like to know what is the problem in reminding people to avoid sin.
If anyone has a problem hearing that it is just a reason they need to hear more. ME TOO LETTERS . I can sit and listen to ALL TRUTH . all promises , all encouragments and all warnings about not to sin AND ITS ALL GOOD FOOD FOR ME . NO , when most folks don't like being reminded , rest assured its because they are not comfortable , AND THE QUESTION THEN is WHY ARE THEY NOT COMFORTABLE . THE ANSWER IS REAL SIMPLE . THEY IN A SIN and are uneasy about reminders and would rather hear about promises and feel peace . WE NEED ALL OF IT and we need IT DAILY . EXHORT DAILY , lest any DOES become hardened through the deceitfulness of what ...........OF SIN .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 14, 2019 21:10:05 GMT -5
As long as the whole gospel gets preached and reminded of, I'm happy. It truly is such good news, and believe it or not there are those who need encouragement to hold fast their confidence, because they are poor in spirit. A bruised reed God will not break and a smoldering wick He will not snuff out. The ones who need to be warned and corrected to cease sinning are those who are sinning I would think, while those who have left their sinful life behind need to go on to maturity and prepare for the coming of the Lord since the time is getting shorter. Yes and no. If someone has ceased from sin, they do need to hear more than just one message after another not to sin, but just because someone has quit sinning now, that doesn't mean they won't be tempted to return to sin later. For that reason, they need to hear that message on a regular basis too as a warning.
Exhort one another daily , lest any does become hardened through the deceitfulness of sin . WE NEED IT ALL . WE NEED all REMINDERS and we need them DAILY . TO ME , so long as its truth , it don't matter if it comes grave , dire warnings or great reminders of promises , ITS ALL FOOD FOR ME . NOW WATCH THIS . FOR ME it is not griveious to write these things , ITS SAFE FOR YOU . PAUL constanly said and wrote reminders of warnings and to be on guard against false ones too . AND HE DID it and he said , AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE and now write too you . I HAVE TOLD YOU THESE THINGS . HE even tells one , TO AFFIRM THESE THINGS CONSTANTLY . Take a peek at that last word , CONSTANTLY . OH WE NEED IT ALL . AND BY GRACE , I WONT BE SLOWING DOWN . HOWEVER I am led I will do . AND MAY I DO IT FAITHFULLY , HEEDING HIM at all times . DOUBLE DOWN , wait , NO TRIPLE DOWN . WE cannot go the way of the many . I AM TELLING YOU , that folks are wearing down . AND WE CANNOT . KEEP THE PATTERN IDENTICAL , warn often , encourage often , JUST DO as the SPIRIT LEADS .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 6:50:32 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with reminders and warnings as long as we continue in a well-rounded gospel...ALL of it is needful. For my part I'm just trying to remind us of where the bible says not to keep relaying the foundation of elementary things but to go on to maturity. Repentance from sin is one of those foundational things, so having done that we are not to put down stakes and keep camping out in it, but continue to follow the cloud and keep growing.
Also something that comes to me this morning is that denominations and cults all tend to rally around and emphasize one thing to the neglect of so much else that is in the bible and part of the gospel. Baptists preach baptism but not receiving the Holy Spirit....Pentecostals preach the Holy Spirit but don't go on to do anything with it....denominations camp out in their pet doctrine that they think sets them apart from everyone else, and stop growing.
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