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Post by 2fw8212a on Aug 15, 2019 9:05:12 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with reminders and warnings as long as we continue in a well-rounded gospel...ALL of it is needful. I understand what you are saying, and I agree.
But we function as a body and each one works as a member.
And prophesying is something that must never cease in the body. Otherwise, it is a church without mouth.
“...And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?
And how shall they hear without a preacher?” - Romans 10:14
It is not that we are purposefully going around in circles. It is just how it is, it is important.
The one who wants believers silent is the devil.
“...I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out...” - Luke 19:40
“But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in,
he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed;
and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.” - 1 Corinthians 14:24-25
Not to mention the added benefit that prophesying also edifies and makes one faith in Christ even stronger by the new things that are revealed.
“How is it then, brethren?
Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching,
has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.” - 1 Corinthians 14:26
“speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord...” - Ephesians 5:19
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Post by John on Aug 15, 2019 9:19:19 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with reminders and warnings as long as we continue in a well-rounded gospel...ALL of it is needful. I understand what you are saying, and I agree. But we function as a body and each one works as a member. And prophesying is something that must never cease in the body. Otherwise, it is a church without mouth. “...And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?
And how shall they hear without a preacher?” - Romans 10:14 It is not that we are purposefully going around in circles. It is just how it is, it is important. The one who wants believers silent is the devil. “...I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out...” - Luke 19:40 “But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in,
he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed;
and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.” - 1 Corinthians 14:24-25
Not to mention the added benefit that prophesying also edifies and makes one faith in Christ even stronger by the new things that are revealed.
“How is it then, brethren?
Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching,
has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.” - 1 Corinthians 14:26 “speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord...” - Ephesians 5:19 Yes. It is about being obedient to the Lord. Preach what he says to preach. For me, I am given a lot of warning type messages to bring. Another member of the body might be assigned more encouragements. Sometimes that is the reason for lack of balance. One is doing their job and another is not.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 15, 2019 10:25:52 GMT -5
We seem to be talking past each other. My comments weren’t focused on elemental repentance of the baby believer. They dealt with the correlation between deeper sinlessness and more fruitful spiritual works. Why aren’t Pentecostals using their charismatic doctrine to prophesy accurately, empty out hospitals, and give meaningful revelation to the body? They can’t get past first base because they won’t fully crucify every part of themselves. They clean up their act a little, call themselves sanctified, and expect to be the next Smith Wigglesworth. The war on sin goes deeper than that initial burst of repentance.
Rick Renner mentioned something funny on this topic in a video. In the early part of his ministry, he thought he had it all together. While praying in spirit one day, he glibly told the Lord to search his heart and remove any unpleasing thing. 45 minutes later, he was staring at a mile-long list of things the Lord had told him to write down that he needed to work on. How do we get a well-rounded gospel to come to life? How do we exhort, encourage, water saplings, give good counsel, and pray with confidence? How do we show the unbelieving world the power of God? We’re failing in this because we’re not half as holy as we tend to think we are. I say this about myself first and foremost. Until I see the character of Jesus and the lifestyle of the apostles fully reflected in me, I need to keep fighting sin.
It’s amazing how so many apostolic epistles preach on fighting sin harder, and only one church in Revelation passed the test, yet we are so quick to explain it away. Those early churches had widespread Holy Spirit baptism, tongues and prophecies, miracles, resurrections. They outlasted persecution when it was illegal to be Christian. They were martyrs and witnesses when the whole world was against them. I have too much respect for those early saints to dismiss them all as confused former pagans who barely knew up from down. If the Holy Spirit was moving so powerfully through them, and here we are with our morally superior civilized society, then what is our excuse?
Watchful, if you truly have it all together and there’s nothing else for you to work on, bless you. I’m happy for you. Feel free to skip over exhortations to sinlessness. Meanwhile for my own personal journey, I shall press on. Each new time I see God do a work through me, see an answered prayer, etc, it motivates me all the more to see what else I can do for the kingdom.
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Post by John on Aug 15, 2019 11:13:17 GMT -5
I personally don't think we can get too many of what people used to refer to as "hell, fire and brimstone messages." There is hardly any preaching about the torments of hell or sin in general today. I don't believe I am too holy for exhortations to live better.
That being said, I believe we are more balanced here than most places. We cover a lot more of the Bible than most if you participate across the board. We have discussions from the entire Bible in the forums. We have been having a read through the Bible in a year program. We have a weekly Wednesday night Bible study where we covered the parables, the sermon on the mount, James, and now Ephesians. We have a weekly prayer service. We have video messages. If people are getting discouraged by exhortations, and if one is living right, I don't know why that would discourage you, there are many other places to get your balanced Bible diet.
I almost forgot, we have Bible games, testimonies, and a place to write psalms and poems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 12:30:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure this is something that needs to be analyzed. As long as nothing was said that is incorrect then it can stand as the caution that it is.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 15, 2019 14:28:33 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with reminders and warnings as long as we continue in a well-rounded gospel...ALL of it is needful. For my part I'm just trying to remind us of where the bible says not to keep relaying the foundation of elementary things but to go on to maturity. Repentance from sin is one of those foundational things, so having done that we are not to put down stakes and keep camping out in it, but continue to follow the cloud and keep growing. Also something that comes to me this morning is that denominations and cults all tend to rally around and emphasize one thing to the neglect of so much else that is in the bible and part of the gospel. Baptists preach baptism but not receiving the Holy Spirit....Pentecostals preach the Holy Spirit but don't go on to do anything with it....denominations camp out in their pet doctrine that they think sets them apart from everyone else, and stop growing. We should preach ALL of it . HANDS UP SISTER and PRAISE THE LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 15, 2019 14:34:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure this is something that needs to be analyzed. As long as nothing was said that is incorrect then it can stand as the caution that it is. Here is a reminder about prophesyings . WE know the signs of the times and we know the church and the world at large are very full of evil now . So expect most prophesyings to sound just like they did anytime judgment was near . FULL of warnings and reminders for all to repent and beware .
As much as I exhort to praise the LORD I am led so heavy to keep on with those warnings . SISTER its a madhouse and its only getting worse . AND DELUSOIN and JUDGMENT is at the door . We are IN the last of the days . SO let all be on guard , seeking the LORD diligently and being here for one another to encourage and exhort daily . THEY DONE let in a TROGAN HORSE SISTER , and things are about to swell so fast and so full of evil . And our betrayal , ITS AT THE DOOR SISTER . And I have no fear of what is coming , BECAUSE GOD IS WITH US and no matter what comes against us , IMMANEUL , whether we live or die , WE GOT ALL HOPE SISTER . The end had to come eventually , WELL behold the signs of the times and yet more and more only mock at this . LET the lambs be at the ready , for better we suffer and even die for the LORD than fall for the great delsuoin that has began and will grow as a mushroom in the dark .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 15, 2019 15:26:59 GMT -5
Sister watchful and all , ALERT . What days do we really think we in . And what is really coming . TO know and understand that , TAKE A LOOK at the days of LOTT . All of us knows full well that sin and homosexuality and so on has been in the world for years . BUT when SODOM grew ripe and no longer hid its sins , and GOD sent angels to behold TAKE a look at how bad it had gotten . Lott invited the two men in , BUT sin was so full in those others , THEY wanted to KNOW THOSE MEN . and I think we know what KNOW MEANS . NOW they were so deeply entrenched with sin , That when lott even tried to correct them and said do not so wickedly , THEY SAID NOW WE GONNA DEAL WORSE WITH YOU . SO they had come to the point where sin was honored and correction was NO LONGER GONNA BE TOLERATED . Look at how fast things have moved in just a generation . SIN is no longer hid , HECK NO its all over the place , in libraries drag queens Gays marching and celebrating it in the streets , and now they holler , COME OUT and BAKE A CAKE FOR US , and if one corrects and offers them anything BUT TO bake that cake , they deal even worse with that one . YALL ITS LOTTS DAYS . IT IS and it will get worse . Laws will change and all inclusive laws will be and even now are being passed . AND GUESS WHAT , IN THOSE DAYS , GOD ENDED IT ALL and SODOM NEVER SAW IT COMING . WHAT ON EARTH MAKES US THINK HE WONT DO THE SAME just because ITS THE WHOLE WORLD Now doing it . NOPE IT MEANS THE FINAL END TIME JUDGMENT IS AT THE DOOR MAN . ITS COMING . AND We must do all to warn and exhort daily and let none be taken in the error of the wicked and fall from his own steadfastness . THE JUDGE STANDS AT THE DOOR . ITS SO CLEAR NOW . SO CLEAR .
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Post by John on Aug 16, 2019 3:41:38 GMT -5
Sister watchful and all , ALERT . What days do we really think we in . And what is really coming . TO know and understand that , TAKE A LOOK at the days of LOTT . All of us knows full well that sin and homosexuality and so on has been in the world for years . BUT when SODOM grew ripe and no longer hid its sins , and GOD sent angels to behold TAKE a look at how bad it had gotten . Lott invited the two men in , BUT sin was so full in those others , THEY wanted to KNOW THOSE MEN . and I think we know what KNOW MEANS . NOW they were so deeply entrenched with sin , That when lott even tried to correct them and said do not so wickedly , THEY SAID NOW WE GONNA DEAL WORSE WITH YOU . SO they had come to the point where sin was honored and correction was NO LONGER GONNA BE TOLERATED . Look at how fast things have moved in just a generation . SIN is no longer hid , HECK NO its all over the place , in libraries drag queens Gays marching and celebrating it in the streets , and now they holler , COME OUT and BAKE A CAKE FOR US , and if one corrects and offers them anything BUT TO bake that cake , they deal even worse with that one . YALL ITS LOTTS DAYS . IT IS and it will get worse . Laws will change and all inclusive laws will be and even now are being passed . AND GUESS WHAT , IN THOSE DAYS , GOD ENDED IT ALL and SODOM NEVER SAW IT COMING . WHAT ON EARTH MAKES US THINK HE WONT DO THE SAME just because ITS THE WHOLE WORLD Now doing it . NOPE IT MEANS THE FINAL END TIME JUDGMENT IS AT THE DOOR MAN . ITS COMING . AND We must do all to warn and exhort daily and let none be taken in the error of the wicked and fall from his own steadfastness . THE JUDGE STANDS AT THE DOOR . ITS SO CLEAR NOW . SO CLEAR . What is so disturbing Frienduff is that when these sodomites want a Christian business owner to make a wedding cake for a sodomite wedding, or they want a Christian photographer to take pictures for a sodomite wedding, and they try to refuse, there are judges that take their side. It makes it hard for Christians to avoid violating their conscience in trying to operate a business.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 6:51:28 GMT -5
Sister watchful and all , ALERT . What days do we really think we in . And what is really coming . TO know and understand that , TAKE A LOOK at the days of LOTT . All of us knows full well that sin and homosexuality and so on has been in the world for years . BUT when SODOM grew ripe and no longer hid its sins , and GOD sent angels to behold TAKE a look at how bad it had gotten . Lott invited the two men in , BUT sin was so full in those others , THEY wanted to KNOW THOSE MEN . and I think we know what KNOW MEANS . NOW they were so deeply entrenched with sin , That when lott even tried to correct them and said do not so wickedly , THEY SAID NOW WE GONNA DEAL WORSE WITH YOU . SO they had come to the point where sin was honored and correction was NO LONGER GONNA BE TOLERATED . Look at how fast things have moved in just a generation . SIN is no longer hid , HECK NO its all over the place , in libraries drag queens Gays marching and celebrating it in the streets , and now they holler , COME OUT and BAKE A CAKE FOR US , and if one corrects and offers them anything BUT TO bake that cake , they deal even worse with that one . YALL ITS LOTTS DAYS . IT IS and it will get worse . Laws will change and all inclusive laws will be and even now are being passed . AND GUESS WHAT , IN THOSE DAYS , GOD ENDED IT ALL and SODOM NEVER SAW IT COMING . WHAT ON EARTH MAKES US THINK HE WONT DO THE SAME just because ITS THE WHOLE WORLD Now doing it . NOPE IT MEANS THE FINAL END TIME JUDGMENT IS AT THE DOOR MAN . ITS COMING . AND We must do all to warn and exhort daily and let none be taken in the error of the wicked and fall from his own steadfastness . THE JUDGE STANDS AT THE DOOR . ITS SO CLEAR NOW . SO CLEAR . What is so disturbing Frienduff is that when these sodomites want a Christian business owner to make a wedding cake for a sodomite wedding, or they want a Christian photographer to take pictures for a sodomite wedding, and they try to refuse, there are judges that take their side. It makes it hard for Christians to avoid violating their conscience in trying to operate a business.
The way is becoming narrower for believers here in the west. It means many believers will need to lay down their livelihoods and/or be punished by secular laws.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 16, 2019 6:51:43 GMT -5
Sister watchful and all , ALERT . What days do we really think we in . And what is really coming . TO know and understand that , TAKE A LOOK at the days of LOTT . All of us knows full well that sin and homosexuality and so on has been in the world for years . BUT when SODOM grew ripe and no longer hid its sins , and GOD sent angels to behold TAKE a look at how bad it had gotten . Lott invited the two men in , BUT sin was so full in those others , THEY wanted to KNOW THOSE MEN . and I think we know what KNOW MEANS . NOW they were so deeply entrenched with sin , That when lott even tried to correct them and said do not so wickedly , THEY SAID NOW WE GONNA DEAL WORSE WITH YOU . SO they had come to the point where sin was honored and correction was NO LONGER GONNA BE TOLERATED . Look at how fast things have moved in just a generation . SIN is no longer hid , HECK NO its all over the place , in libraries drag queens Gays marching and celebrating it in the streets , and now they holler , COME OUT and BAKE A CAKE FOR US , and if one corrects and offers them anything BUT TO bake that cake , they deal even worse with that one . YALL ITS LOTTS DAYS . IT IS and it will get worse . Laws will change and all inclusive laws will be and even now are being passed . AND GUESS WHAT , IN THOSE DAYS , GOD ENDED IT ALL and SODOM NEVER SAW IT COMING . WHAT ON EARTH MAKES US THINK HE WONT DO THE SAME just because ITS THE WHOLE WORLD Now doing it . NOPE IT MEANS THE FINAL END TIME JUDGMENT IS AT THE DOOR MAN . ITS COMING . AND We must do all to warn and exhort daily and let none be taken in the error of the wicked and fall from his own steadfastness . THE JUDGE STANDS AT THE DOOR . ITS SO CLEAR NOW . SO CLEAR . What is so disturbing Frienduff is that when these sodomites want a Christian business owner to make a wedding cake for a sodomite wedding, or they want a Christian photographer to take pictures for a sodomite wedding, and they try to refuse, there are judges that take their side. It makes it hard for Christians to avoid violating their conscience in trying to operate a business.
Look at the similarities of a dead and evil conscious that has waxed hard . When those of the city surrounded the house and asked Lott to bring out the men What did Lott do . HE corrected and said do not so wickedly , look I have two daughters that have not KNOWN a man And they were not having it . THEY said YE A JUDGE , now we will deal worse with you . Take that to today . When the gay agenda came into the bakers shop . And said bake a cake for us , and he said I cannot do this , But you are free to have anything you need , I just cannot bake the cake for a gay wedding , AND THEY said < now we will do worse with you . ITS THE SAME MINDSET , yes it might not have waxed as bad , BUT ITS The SAME MINDSET . And soon enough it wont just be words , THEY gonna pass laws and society will get much worse , to the point that even most churches with even other religions will surround the true lambs . We are so fast headed towards the climatic end of it all . And I don't think much of any are really seeing the signs of the times and knowing what is going on , nor where its leading . GOD DID END SODOM . And we are headed to the That day of armegeddon , wherein , GOD INDEED will JUDGE the WORLD by the very WORD that DENIED Him . Let no man or woman that has their own business cave in . The LORD has the saints and shall take care of His own . But , yes , this will get way worse in the days ahead .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 16, 2019 7:02:21 GMT -5
And as the pressures of society increase and persecutions increase , SO TOO will the Power of the LORD upon the children of the Kingdom . Therefore I rejoice in my infirmities , I rejoice . WHY did paul say this . There is a key . THE POWER OF CHRIST rests upon us in our perseuctions . When I am weak then am I strong . MY GRACE is made perfect in weakness . Persecutions will perfect our faith when we take it patiently . Let no man fear what is and what is to come . There is nor will be nothing done that the light will not make manifest . There is NOTHING hidden from the EYES of GOD . Let all be faithful to the very end and final breath . Set the mark , the bar , ON CHRIST for every example of how we ought to walk and live . The war is not new to christains , But it is and will climax . Let each and all stand firm to the end with all hope in Christ and be ready to lose everything for the sake of our LORD . Yet having all hope in HIM , no matter what comes against us .
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Post by John on Aug 16, 2019 7:04:04 GMT -5
What is so disturbing Frienduff is that when these sodomites want a Christian business owner to make a wedding cake for a sodomite wedding, or they want a Christian photographer to take pictures for a sodomite wedding, and they try to refuse, there are judges that take their side. It makes it hard for Christians to avoid violating their conscience in trying to operate a business.
The way is becoming narrower for believers here in the west. It means many believers will need to lay down their livelihoods and/or be punished by secular laws. You are so right. There are many businesses I could never consider trying to operate in this climate. Certainly a bakery that does wedding cakes is one. Another would be a photographer for hire. Even running a Drug Store in many states would violate my conscience, as there are states that require all pharmacists to dispense RU486, the drug that kills unborn babies. It has gotten really bad. I would even think twice about having a business large enough to have to hire employees because of anti-discrimination laws, and the same thing goes for renting property. There was a time when you could refuse to rent to unmarried couples, but no more. Now you can't discriminate against homosexuals.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 16, 2019 7:11:12 GMT -5
The way is becoming narrower for believers here in the west. It means many believers will need to lay down their livelihoods and/or be punished by secular laws. You are so right. There are many businesses I could never consider trying to operate in this climate. Certainly a bakery that does wedding cakes is one. Another would be a photographer for hire. Even running a Drug Store in many states would violate my conscience, as there are states that require all pharmacists to dispense RU486, the drug that kills unborn babies. It has gotten really bad. I would even think twice about having a business large enough to have to hire employees because of anti-discrimination laws, and the same thing goes for renting property. There was a time when you could refuse to rent to unmarried couples, but no more. Now you can't discriminate against homosexuals.
Its why I will not enlarge my business . Oh I could real easy and have quite a few working with me . But NO WAY and NO HOW . The LORD has us and I will work on my own with my own two hands . Rest assured and know this too , in the days ahead true beleivers will not be able to work IN society . Think frito lay . There will come a time when anyone that does not conform to society and take its solution , and bow down and worship its IDOL of all inclusive , that these will simply be not only cast out of society but deemed such a threat to the world that the only possible hope is to RID THEM OFF THE EARTH for peace and safety in their EMPIRE of all inclusive WORLD WIDE GOVT for world peace . Its coming , cant be stopped . HEY nebb made an image too and when the music played it did not matter what god you followed or path , WHAT mattered was YA BETTER BOW TO IT or be cast into the fire . WELL THE SAME IDEA is building fast now . IT truly is the final hour of the great climatic battle that does come .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 16, 2019 7:14:59 GMT -5
When that song is played , Better not a lamb one bow to that music . BETTER BE AS were the THREE MEN in the book of Daniel . OH we KNOW for sure our GOD can deliver us , BUT EVEN IF HE DONT , WE AINT BOWING TO THIS........... and the fourth man shall be with us , through all our sufferings and even in the hour of our death . THE ONE WHO SEEMED to that king to be the SON OF GOD . WHO DO WE THINK that FOURTH MAN WAS . Exactly . HE WILL BE WITH US and not matter what we suffer , WE REJOICE IN HIM and even if we are killed , to be absent from this body is only to be present with the LORD . ITS coming , it truly is and we have no reason to fear what is coming . Fear not man or what he can do to us .
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