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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 8:01:21 GMT -5
I have never heard that term. If you are really a Calvinist, why not be one, if that is what you believe? If you are ashamed of your beliefs, maybe there is something wrong with them.
Deep , deep down , ever so deep down in your soul , YOU ALREADY KNOW the answer to this question . THEY as any other , AS DID THE SERPENT , appear to be as light YET COME to deicieve . ALL under the influence of a dark spirit know not they are deicieved , but this is how they do enter . The serpent did not come as a dragon , but as a seducer . And always what does IT DO, DID GOD REALLY SAY ............... NO , no , your misunderstanding , here let me ENLIGHTEN YOUR EYES with my FRUIT . YEP . ITS A DECIEVER all right .
So they are using methods of the devil to win converts supposedly for the Lord? If I believe something, I just come out and say it. You are free to accept or reject it, but I don't trick people into thinking one thing and then try to gradually seduce them. I guess in their warped sense of right and wrong, they think the ends justify the means?
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 28, 2019 8:04:07 GMT -5
It’s one thing to say you’re OSAS but you don’t want to push it. These false workers join churches, say nothing at all, work their way up to Sunday school teacher/deacon/youth pastor, and then start teaching a tiny little spin on Scripture. By the time you realize what they’re doing, they are friends with half the church. Non-trinity people do the same thing. Once they are good and settled in, they will act surprised by YOUR beliefs because “every seasoned Christian” shares their “mainstream” doctrine.
After they finished off the SBC, they moved on to Pentecostal churches.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 28, 2019 8:08:43 GMT -5
Deep , deep down , ever so deep down in your soul , YOU ALREADY KNOW the answer to this question . THEY as any other , AS DID THE SERPENT , appear to be as light YET COME to deicieve . ALL under the influence of a dark spirit know not they are deicieved , but this is how they do enter . The serpent did not come as a dragon , but as a seducer . And always what does IT DO, DID GOD REALLY SAY ............... NO , no , your misunderstanding , here let me ENLIGHTEN YOUR EYES with my FRUIT . YEP . ITS A DECIEVER all right .
So they are using methods of the devil to win converts supposedly for the Lord? If I believe something, I just come out and say it. You are free to accept or reject it, but I don't trick people into thinking one thing and then try to gradually seduce them. I guess in their warped sense of right and wrong, they think the ends justify the means?
EXACTLY BUTERO . those who love the LORD would simply come out and say it . And if it is in error , The others would correct it . ANY who believes its okay to hide certain things at first , to actually even lie and withhold , for sure are of the wrong spirit already . Because the truth gets spoken . But those with agendas , thinking they sit on some high learned wisdom , will often approach with the mindset , I will plant the ideas slowly and withhold till they are ready to reiceve it . these will purposefully even duck questions or even lie with their answers , thinking still they do the will of GOD . I have delt with more than one supposed high minded thing , more than once . THEY always think they sitting on some hidden knowledge , WHEN IN truth , the TRUTH IS , the spirit that has misguided them , OH IT KNOWS it cannot defeat the TRUTH and respons OF the truth from a lamb . THUS it waits and it lies too .
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 8:13:28 GMT -5
It’s one thing to say you’re OSAS but you don’t want to push it. These false workers join churches, say nothing at all, work their way up to Sunday school teacher/deacon/youth pastor, and then start teaching a tiny little spin on Scripture. By the time you realize what they’re doing, they are friends with half the church. Non-trinity people do the same thing. Once they are good and settled in, they will act surprised by YOUR beliefs because “every seasoned Christian” shares their “mainstream” doctrine. After they finished off the SBC, they moved on to Pentecostal churches. I experienced this when I was a Pastor, but not with OSAS. It was the feminist agenda. That is something that is taking place too. They are gradually taking over the churches one group at a time too. When I wouldn't budge, the ones involved left. I do know some "Jesus only" believers that tend to hide their beliefs, but do subtle things that give them away, like praying directly to Jesus rather than the Father in Jesus' name.
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 8:17:55 GMT -5
So they are using methods of the devil to win converts supposedly for the Lord? If I believe something, I just come out and say it. You are free to accept or reject it, but I don't trick people into thinking one thing and then try to gradually seduce them. I guess in their warped sense of right and wrong, they think the ends justify the means?
EXACTLY BUTERO . those who love the LORD would simply come out and say it . And if it is in error , The others would correct it . ANY who believes its okay to hide certain things at first , to actually even lie and withhold , for sure are of the wrong spirit already . Because the truth gets spoken . But those with agendas , thinking they sit on some high learned wisdom , will often approach with the mindset , I will plant the ideas slowly and withhold till they are ready to reiceve it . these will purposefully even duck questions or even lie with their answers , thinking still they do the will of GOD . I have delt with more than one supposed high minded thing , more than once . THEY always think they sitting on some hidden knowledge , WHEN IN truth , the TRUTH IS , the spirit that has misguided them , OH IT KNOWS it cannot defeat the TRUTH and respons OF the truth from a lamb . THUS it waits and it lies too .
Yes, that is what they do. They try to gradually get people to accept their lies over time. The issue I had with the unnamed message board is not that they believe OSAS but tell people you are free to be there even if you disagree. It is that they do that just to get you in, and if it comes to a point where they know you can't be converted, they will smear you, bear false witness against you, and do anything they have to in order to justify placing you on moderator review or banning you. It is highly deceptive. If they really let people disagree with equal access and equal treatment, I would have no quarrel with them, or if they said they are OSAS in their Statement of Faith.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 28, 2019 8:19:19 GMT -5
False teachers are fond of saying they have a deeply spiritual perspective. Baby Christians (anyone who disagrees with them) must be humored until a chance arises to enlighten them. These people see themselves as Paul visiting a synagogue to reason with the Jews. Babes in the faith are doing the best they can under the schoolmaster, so no need to berate them, but the time has come to reason them into all truth. Thus you see the five steps to real salvation and other such things.
Of course you can’t understand their wacky doctrine because it must be spiritually appraised, see. The fact that you reject is simply proof of your immaturity. Sometimes you’ll hear them say they aren’t at liberty to tell everything they know because you can’t handle it. They are the victims chased out of churches not ready for the truth. This is how these people talk.
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Post by Giller on Aug 28, 2019 8:37:06 GMT -5
I had experiences with the Jesus only people as well.
Were people wanted me to meet this so called Pentecostal preacher, and he was charismatic, but as he talked with me, I discerned that he was Jesus only, and I confirmed some of the things said with a friend who had studied this stuff, which I did to.
And I was absolutely correct, so me and my friend were warning certain people to not be part of this, because some were being drawn in, eventually these people took heed to what we said and came out.
Some people are very charismatic, and can easily fool the lambs.
And there was even a time a certain person showed us a video of these people singing , and I discerned right away, for some reason that it was Jesus only, and later on I checked it out and I was right.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 28, 2019 8:40:26 GMT -5
How long did we have a certain person in our own midst who didn’t believe Jesus is God? These things are hidden under many layers of so-called profoundly advanced knowledge.
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 8:48:45 GMT -5
How long did we have a certain person in our own midst who didn’t believe Jesus is God? These things are hidden under many layers of so-called profoundly advanced knowledge. That person is teaching at WCF now and they don't know. I wouldn't have known this person's true beliefs if they didn't come out with it to defend a heretic we put out. They will often hide things.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 28, 2019 9:01:01 GMT -5
Honestly, this is why I’m skeptical of those who say they’ve moved on from the basics. People who say that are almost always dabbling in heresy. If you’re too spiritual to rejoice in the basics, you’re puffed up. Paul said all Scripture is profitable for correction and instruction in righteousness. When these things are no longer your focus, myths and genealogies wait around the bend.
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 9:11:01 GMT -5
Honestly, this is why I’m skeptical of those who say they’ve moved on from the basics. People who say that are almost always dabbling in heresy. If you’re too spiritual to rejoice in the basics, you’re puffed up. Paul said all Scripture is profitable for correction and instruction in righteousness. When these things are no longer your focus, myths and genealogies wait around the bend. This person wasn't led gradually into heresy. He/She was never saved, never believed in the deity of Christ. That explains a lot. The doctrine was off in many areas. A person who is not born again can't understand spiritual truth as they don't have the Spirit. Most of the OSAS crowd are taught of Hermes instead of God.
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 10:22:53 GMT -5
While it is true that extra-Biblical books may have been referenced in actual scripture, that doesn't mean the extra-Biblical book in it's entirety is God's Word and equal to the Biblical canon. I reject the nonsense that there was a conspiracy to remove portions of the text and that the KJV mistranslated anything.
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 10:35:50 GMT -5
From the Narrow Way Forums Statement of Faith...
We have full confidence in the reliability of the Authorized King James Version Bible, and believe that everything in the Authorized King James Bible is absolute truth. This includes passages that are under attack like Mark 16:9-20 and 1 John 5:7. We hold to a literal view of the Bible.
For future reference, posts that are in opposition to any portion of our SOF are subject to removal with no explanation.
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Post by justinadams on Aug 28, 2019 12:42:56 GMT -5
From the Narrow Way Forums Statement of Faith...
We have full confidence in the reliability of the Authorized King James Version Bible, and believe that everything in the Authorized King James Bible is absolute truth. This includes passages that are under attack like Mark 16:9-20 and 1 John 5:7. We hold to a literal view of the Bible.
For future reference, posts that are in opposition to any portion of our SOF are subject to removal with no explanation.
Scriptures do not really need to be defended. Yeshua/Jesus (The Spirit of Prophesy) is Co-Equal with God The Father and the diminutive maybe inferred by 'only begotten son'. Monogenes is from the original Aramaic, from which the Greek is translated and really means ONE OF A KIND, ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE, a very fitting description of our Lord. Early Greek manuscripts do not add 'begotten son' and scholars consider it a poor rendition. I have no problem with this, but language is one of my things. It in no way criticizes the KJV but really, it adds distinctive meaning to what some see as an indistinct phrase.MONOGENES is used in the Septuagint Version (LXX – the translation of the Old Testament into Greek) to translate the Hebrew (Aramaic) adjective YACHID. It is translated in the KJV as "darling" Psalm 22:20; "my darling" in Psalm 35:17; "desolate" in Psalm 25:16; and "solitary" in Psalm 68:6.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 28, 2019 12:43:13 GMT -5
False teachers are fond of saying they have a deeply spiritual perspective. Baby Christians (anyone who disagrees with them) must be humored until a chance arises to enlighten them. These people see themselves as Paul visiting a synagogue to reason with the Jews. Babes in the faith are doing the best they can under the schoolmaster, so no need to berate them, but the time has come to reason them into all truth. Thus you see the five steps to real salvation and other such things. Of course you can’t understand their wacky doctrine because it must be spiritually appraised, see. The fact that you reject is simply proof of your immaturity. Sometimes you’ll hear them say they aren’t at liberty to tell everything they know because you can’t handle it. They are the victims chased out of churches not ready for the truth. This is how these people talk. SPOT ON RIGHT you are again dear sister . But guess what , you already know the what , BUT THE SHEEP DONT HEED THEM PRIDE FILLED THINGS .
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