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Post by frienduff on Aug 28, 2019 12:50:12 GMT -5
While it is true that extra-Biblical books may have been referenced in actual scripture, that doesn't mean the extra-Biblical book in it's entirety is God's Word and equal to the Biblical canon. I reject the nonsense that there was a conspiracy to remove portions of the text and that the KJV mistranslated anything.
Its because , you will never guess what happened . Or maybe you will .
its true the bible makes mention of enoch etc . If I were a world wise hermes man , I could write a book about enoch , make it sound very biblical in areas and yet be filled with the wisdom of this world etc . THEN I could make the claim , HEY its the book of enoch THE BIBLE WAS TALKING ABOUT , WHEN INDEED it never was , it was my OWN WRITING . Those secondary books in the bible , they were the invetions of men , its so clear . And at least the men were wise enough to call them secondary. I have read those books . WILL ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME , WHY I HAD NO PEACE in them , YET TOTAL PEACE and LOVE IN THE BIBLE . WAIT , I already KNOW THE ANSWER . I WHIFFED mans wisdom in those books . While even some of them have LOTS of truths the wisdom of man IS IN THEM . AND some folks just love them up . By grace ITS THE BIBLE I HOLD UP . Folks better watch out . Because any man can make any claim . But is that claim really OF THE SPIRIT or just the flesh .
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 12:51:03 GMT -5
From the Narrow Way Forums Statement of Faith...
We have full confidence in the reliability of the Authorized King James Version Bible, and believe that everything in the Authorized King James Bible is absolute truth. This includes passages that are under attack like Mark 16:9-20 and 1 John 5:7. We hold to a literal view of the Bible.
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Scriptures do not really need to be defended. Yeshua/Jesus (The Spirit of Prophesy) is Co-Equal with God The Father and the diminutive maybe inferred by 'only begotten son'. Monogenes is from the original Aramaic, from which the Greek is translated and really means ONE OF A KIND, ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE, a very fitting description of our Lord. Early Greek manuscripts do not add 'begotten son' and scholars consider it a poor rendition. I have no problem with this, but language is one of my things. It is no way criticizes the KJV but really, it adds distinctive meaning to what some see as an indistinct phrase.MONOGENES is used in the Septuagint Version (LXX – the translation of the Old Testament into Greek) to translate the Hebrew (Aramaic) adjective YACHID. It is translated in the KJV as "darling" Psalm 22:20; "my darling" in Psalm 35:17; "desolate" in Psalm 25:16; and "solitary" in Psalm 68:6. Okay, but do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? Do you believe in the Trinity? Do you believe Jesus is God? Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
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Post by frienduff on Aug 28, 2019 12:55:45 GMT -5
This might anger some folks , But I seen errors in even the so called mighty Augustine so many hold up . I did read some of the early ones writings . I have read a bit of them . AND guess what , I ALWAYS found ERROR . BUT NOT IN THE BIBLE . NOT IN THE BIBLE . EXACTLY . We would be amazed at what has been going on FOR A LONG LONG TIME . AND its why I say , disregaurd them . BUT HOLD THOSE BIBLES HIGH and READ IT OVER and OVER , and OVER and over and over and over and over AGAIN and then over and over and over and over and , well I think we all get the point . ITS THE ONLY BOOK I truly LOVE . NOW Hands up and praise the HOLY LORD . And be on guard for men that also try and push the early church fathers writings on us , CAUSE AS I said , I have read those in the library and I have ALWAYS found errors . While some may have had less than others , ERRORS were found and some outright extremely dangerous heresays . BUT you know what I found IN THE BIBLE . TOTAL TRUTH , great joy and such filling of the soul . HERMES , BE GONE , and all things contrary to the PURE and PREFECT SPIRIT and TRUTH of OUR LORD . I WONT be winning any awards from any scholars , BUT I GOT THE JOY OF THE LORD and HE KEEPS us safe .
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 28, 2019 12:57:13 GMT -5
Joseph Smith did that with the book of Mormon. Curious how a farmer in 19th century New York found an ancient document in a foreign language and it came out sounding EXACTLY like Elizabethan English.
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 13:09:32 GMT -5
Joseph Smith did that with the book of Mormon. Curious how a farmer in 19th century New York found an ancient document in a foreign language and it came out sounding EXACTLY like Elizabethan English. They claim he had supernatural help translating it using an oracle or something like that. The whole thing is absurd. I have read a lot of the Book of Mormon, and it is so obviously fake, and it contradicts later so-called prophetic words by Joseph Smith.
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 13:14:06 GMT -5
While it is true that extra-Biblical books may have been referenced in actual scripture, that doesn't mean the extra-Biblical book in it's entirety is God's Word and equal to the Biblical canon. I reject the nonsense that there was a conspiracy to remove portions of the text and that the KJV mistranslated anything.
Its because , you will never guess what happened . Or maybe you will .
its true the bible makes mention of enoch etc . If I were a world wise hermes man , I could write a book about enoch , make it sound very biblical in areas and yet be filled with the wisdom of this world etc . THEN I could make the claim , HEY its the book of enoch THE BIBLE WAS TALKING ABOUT , WHEN INDEED it never was , it was my OWN WRITING . Those secondary books in the bible , they were the invetions of men , its so clear . And at least the men were wise enough to call them secondary. I have read those books . WILL ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME , WHY I HAD NO PEACE in them , YET TOTAL PEACE and LOVE IN THE BIBLE . WAIT , I already KNOW THE ANSWER . I WHIFFED mans wisdom in those books . While even some of them have LOTS of truths the wisdom of man IS IN THEM . AND some folks just love them up . By grace ITS THE BIBLE I HOLD UP . Folks better watch out . Because any man can make any claim . But is that claim really OF THE SPIRIT or just the flesh .
Regarding the Book of Enoch, all anyone had to do was know that one scripture, and incorporate it into a single verse, and build a false book around it. There is also the possibility that part of the book was genuine, but was added to. Nobody knows, so there is no way to trust it. I have read 1 Enoch and 2 Enoch. They are interesting, but I don't consider them trustworthy.
As far as Bible Apocrypha goes, the 14 books in the middle of the 1611 Edition KJV Bible, they were always considered inferior to the 66 books of the canon, but were considered important enough to translate to English. I have read them 3 times. They are not full of contradictions and errors as some claim, but neither are they inerrant, and they cannot be called the Word of God. I have seen some minor things here and there they didn't seem right.
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Post by justinadams on Aug 28, 2019 13:14:26 GMT -5
Scriptures do not really need to be defended. Yeshua/Jesus (The Spirit of Prophesy) is Co-Equal with God The Father and the diminutive maybe inferred by 'only begotten son'. Monogenes is from the original Aramaic, from which the Greek is translated and really means ONE OF A KIND, ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE, a very fitting description of our Lord. Early Greek manuscripts do not add 'begotten son' and scholars consider it a poor rendition. I have no problem with this, but language is one of my things. It is no way criticizes the KJV but really, it adds distinctive meaning to what some see as an indistinct phrase.MONOGENES is used in the Septuagint Version (LXX – the translation of the Old Testament into Greek) to translate the Hebrew (Aramaic) adjective YACHID. It is translated in the KJV as "darling" Psalm 22:20; "my darling" in Psalm 35:17; "desolate" in Psalm 25:16; and "solitary" in Psalm 68:6. Okay, but do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? Do you believe in the Trinity? Do you believe Jesus is God? Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Most definitely, yes: and I also believe that in the Tanach we see Yeshua/Jesus the Messiah as the second person of the Godhead in action as "the second Yahweh" which is the way Hebrew scholars described Him. Yeahus/Jesua IS the fullness of the Godhead and has spiritually, bodily and eternally reigned in the Council of God as the Right hand of the Father (The Ancient of Days). Yeshua is to be seen in the burning bush with Yahweh, in Gideon's discourse, in Psalm 82 and Deut 32 and numerous other places. He is often described as "one like the Son of Man", which is one of the ways He describes Himself ontologically in the New Testament. He told the High Priest that he would see Him again riding on the clouds of Glory. This is a distinctive old Testament phrase denoting Godhead. (The priest tore his clothes - he knew what that meant). The spirit of prophesy is also a description of Yeshua as well. One God three persons, indivisible yet with separate personalities, The Trinity. Ontologically the Trinity is a difficult concept for some to grasp. We are told the Spirit Brooded over the waters during Creation. We are told that Yeshua was the active Creator - for by Him were all thing Created; what is seen and what is not seen. He said I AM the Alpha and Omega. "Before Abram, I AM". In Gethsemane, "I AM HE" and they all fell down...
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Post by John on Aug 28, 2019 13:30:04 GMT -5
Okay, but do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? Do you believe in the Trinity? Do you believe Jesus is God? Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Most definitely, yes: and I also believe that in the Tanach we see Yeshua/Jesus the Messiah as the second person of the Godhead in action as "the second Yahweh" which is the way Hebrew scholars described Him. Yeahus/Jesua IS the fullness of the Godhead and has spiritually, bodily and eternally reigned in the Council of God as the Right hand of the Father (The Ancient of Days). Yeshua is to be seen in the burning bush with Yahweh, in Gideon's discourse, in Psalm 82 and Deut 32 and numerous other places. He is often described as "one like the Son of Man", which is one of the ways He describes Himself ontologically in the New Testament. He told the High Priest that he would see Him again riding on the clouds of Glory. This is a distinctive old Testament phrase denoting Godhead. (The priest tore his clothes - he knew what that meant). The spirit of prophesy is also a description of Yeshua as well. One God three persons, indivisible yet with separate personalities, The Trinity. Ontologically the Trinity is a difficult concept for some to grasp. We are told the Spirit Brooded over the waters during Creation. We are told that Yeshua was the active Creator - for by Him were all thing Created; what is seen and what is not seen. He said I AM the Alpha and Omega. "Before Abram, I AM". In Gethsemane, "I AM HE" and they all fell down... Thanks Justin. We encountered members that didn't believe Jesus is God or that the Holy Spirit is God, and were kind of shocked by that. That is the only reason I asked.
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Post by justinadams on Aug 28, 2019 13:44:05 GMT -5
Most definitely, yes: and I also believe that in the Tanach we see Yeshua/Jesus the Messiah as the second person of the Godhead in action as "the second Yahweh" which is the way Hebrew scholars described Him. Yeahus/Jesua IS the fullness of the Godhead and has spiritually, bodily and eternally reigned in the Council of God as the Right hand of the Father (The Ancient of Days). Yeshua is to be seen in the burning bush with Yahweh, in Gideon's discourse, in Psalm 82 and Deut 32 and numerous other places. He is often described as "one like the Son of Man", which is one of the ways He describes Himself ontologically in the New Testament. He told the High Priest that he would see Him again riding on the clouds of Glory. This is a distinctive old Testament phrase denoting Godhead. (The priest tore his clothes - he knew what that meant). The spirit of prophesy is also a description of Yeshua as well. One God three persons, indivisible yet with separate personalities, The Trinity. Ontologically the Trinity is a difficult concept for some to grasp. We are told the Spirit Brooded over the waters during Creation. We are told that Yeshua was the active Creator - for by Him were all thing Created; what is seen and what is not seen. He said I AM the Alpha and Omega. "Before Abram, I AM". In Gethsemane, "I AM HE" and they all fell down... Thanks Justin. We encountered members that didn't believe Jesus is God or that the Holy Spirit is God, and were kind of shocked by that. That is the only reason I asked.
YIKES!!!
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Post by justinadams on Aug 28, 2019 13:55:34 GMT -5
This might anger some folks , But I seen errors in even the so called mighty Augustine so many hold up . I did read some of the early ones writings . I have read a bit of them . AND guess what , I ALWAYS found ERROR . BUT NOT IN THE BIBLE . NOT IN THE BIBLE . EXACTLY . We would be amazed at what has been going on FOR A LONG LONG TIME . AND its why I say , disregaurd them . BUT HOLD THOSE BIBLES HIGH and READ IT OVER and OVER , and OVER and over and over and over and over AGAIN and then over and over and over and over and , well I think we all get the point . ITS THE ONLY BOOK I truly LOVE . NOW Hands up and praise the HOLY LORD . And be on guard for men that also try and push the early church fathers writings on us , CAUSE AS I said , I have read those in the library and I have ALWAYS found errors . While some may have had less than others , ERRORS were found and some outright extremely dangerous heresays . BUT you know what I found IN THE BIBLE . TOTAL TRUTH , great joy and such filling of the soul . HERMES , BE GONE , and all things contrary to the PURE and PREFECT SPIRIT and TRUTH of OUR LORD . I WONT be winning any awards from any scholars , BUT I GOT THE JOY OF THE LORD and HE KEEPS us safe . Augustine not so good. Calvin and others, not so so so good.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 28, 2019 17:38:25 GMT -5
From the Narrow Way Forums Statement of Faith...
We have full confidence in the reliability of the Authorized King James Version Bible, and believe that everything in the Authorized King James Bible is absolute truth. This includes passages that are under attack like Mark 16:9-20 and 1 John 5:7. We hold to a literal view of the Bible.
For future reference, posts that are in opposition to any portion of our SOF are subject to removal with no explanation.
Scriptures do not really need to be defended. Yeshua/Jesus (The Spirit of Prophesy) is Co-Equal with God The Father and the diminutive maybe inferred by 'only begotten son'. Monogenes is from the original Aramaic, from which the Greek is translated and really means ONE OF A KIND, ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE, a very fitting description of our Lord. Early Greek manuscripts do not add 'begotten son' and scholars consider it a poor rendition. I have no problem with this, but language is one of my things. It in no way criticizes the KJV but really, it adds distinctive meaning to what some see as an indistinct phrase.MONOGENES is used in the Septuagint Version (LXX – the translation of the Old Testament into Greek) to translate the Hebrew (Aramaic) adjective YACHID. It is translated in the KJV as "darling" Psalm 22:20; "my darling" in Psalm 35:17; "desolate" in Psalm 25:16; and "solitary" in Psalm 68:6. and what do these scholars as well as yourself have to say about these scriptures in relation to "the only begotten":
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
it seems to me only begotten is an excellent fit when you consider that we are made sons by adoption per scripture and also this verse: Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
i know of no other man who is said be of The Holy Ghost. there is usually "the will of man" or "the will of the flesh" as John 1:13 says.
I am asking you this because there are a good many right now preaching Jesus is not the only Begotten, and these teachers are normally also preaching prosperity and faith doctrines. I have not seen your words to promote that, but there is a big push in teachings that Jesus isnt the only begotten and i am wondering where you are coming from on this?
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Post by justinadams on Aug 29, 2019 4:07:36 GMT -5
Scriptures do not really need to be defended. Yeshua/Jesus (The Spirit of Prophesy) is Co-Equal with God The Father and the diminutive maybe inferred by 'only begotten son'. Monogenes is from the original Aramaic, from which the Greek is translated and really means ONE OF A KIND, ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE, a very fitting description of our Lord. Early Greek manuscripts do not add 'begotten son' and scholars consider it a poor rendition. I have no problem with this, but language is one of my things. It in no way criticizes the KJV but really, it adds distinctive meaning to what some see as an indistinct phrase.MONOGENES is used in the Septuagint Version (LXX – the translation of the Old Testament into Greek) to translate the Hebrew (Aramaic) adjective YACHID. It is translated in the KJV as "darling" Psalm 22:20; "my darling" in Psalm 35:17; "desolate" in Psalm 25:16; and "solitary" in Psalm 68:6. and what do these scholars as well as yourself have to say about these scriptures in relation to "the only begotten":
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
it seems to me only begotten is an excellent fit when you consider that we are made sons by adoption per scripture and also this verse: Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
i know of no other man who is said be of The Holy Ghost. there is usually "the will of man" or "the will of the flesh" as John 1:13 says.
I am asking you this because there are a good many right now preaching Jesus is not the only Begotten, and these teachers are normally also preaching prosperity and faith doctrines. I have not seen your words to promote that, but there is a big push in teachings that Jesus isnt the only begotten and i am wondering where you are coming from on this?
'Begotten' is anachronistic. Our society is NOT the same as the early Jewish/Israeli male dominated hierarchy. We have been 'freed' and the notion of father-son has been eroded. He's just my kid. Not, He is my equal. Yeshua was from the beginning and whilst it is nice and poetic to see the Father - Son Godhead, it means very little today to us and in actuality, MONOGENESE means UNIQUE - ONE OF A KIND. Israelis could make this of great importance by telling someone, 'Hey my son carries my name' implying equality. Not so in our society. When the creed 'says begotten not made' it goes over our heads. It is a misunderstood concept, because it has CAUSALITY attached to it. The Father - The Ancient of Days always had Yeshua/Jesus as an intrinsic part of the Godhead along with the Spirit that we see echoed in the Tanach. The creed is so wordy and inconclusive that it actually muddies the idea that 'I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE'. If you can forget begotten (a word not used and therefore obsolete) and use the original Aramaic derivative of 'darling' or 'my UNIQUE one' rather than the diminutive (to us) word 'Son'. It is theologically difficult to say 'my equal' that 'always existed yet is my offspring'. In the Tanach, the second person of the God-head is often indistinguishable from the First. The terms become interchangeable. Fist one, Ya, then the other, then ha-Shem again, then The Word. They all appear at different times and sometimes all together and often PHYSICAL in the form of a man (Daniel) Check out Jeremiah 1:4 "Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. 6 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. 7 But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak. 8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD. 9 Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth. There are many elohim in the Councel of the Lord God. Psalm 82. They are just other holy ones that are not embodied. There is only ONE Elohim (God) and one Yeshua (Son) and one Spirit (Ruach). There are many spirit beings that are called gods (little g) in the Tanach. This is more a description like angel of what they do though they are supposed to assist God they appear to be disobedient. Daniel says there are countles millions upon millions... Mormons and other wacky groups take the Tanach and weave nonsense around this spirit stuff. We in the church have had supernatural teaching stripped from our scriptures so most pastors/teachers are afraid of it instead of teaching it the correct way. Thus people are blindsided easily by these cults.
How can you refute something you never studied - how can you minister truth to those that have been misled?NOTE: most commentaries and even doctrines spin stuff about God's Council and His heavenly Cosmology. They tend to leave all that to the pagans and sneer at the supernatural. In its place are very poor 'explanations' that rely on people not asking certain questions. It is part of the mas disinformation campaign most likely at its heart the Cessationist doctrine. It totally misses Yahweh's Spiritual Workings, and seems to want it all to be explained in physical human terms. It misses most of the historical Israeli narrative. The Lord has made it all available to us. Read Psal 82, Deut 32, Jer 1, Isiah 14, Daniel, Revelations. The Unseen is even more 'real' than the physical because it encapsulates BOTH. "As on earth, so also in Heaven". As far as adoption goes. Fine for us. Yeshua was NOT adopted though. It is a Tanach and Israeli concept because God calls Israel 'my son' as well. For us adoption is great and appropriate. But some sects want Yeshua/Jesus to be also 'adopted'. He was pre-extant. He was before the beginning. If you really want to know about The Ancient of Days you HAVE to understand the Messiah and the way He portrays Himself and His Father as ONE. The same, INDIVISABLE of one essence with the Father. I suggest all believers do some serious study on the topics raised. You can be sure that the cults have studied your scriptures probably more than you have. No point in Christians arguing among themselves if they are not well grounded in all scriptures. Do not be afraid of your Bible. Do not be afraid of how amazing your God is. And most importantly, do not reduce your God to your level of understanding about Him, His aims, His Goals and His Goodness.
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Post by Giller on Aug 29, 2019 7:44:45 GMT -5
This might anger some folks , But I seen errors in even the so called mighty Augustine so many hold up . I did read some of the early ones writings . I have read a bit of them . AND guess what , I ALWAYS found ERROR . BUT NOT IN THE BIBLE . NOT IN THE BIBLE . EXACTLY . We would be amazed at what has been going on FOR A LONG LONG TIME . AND its why I say , disregaurd them . BUT HOLD THOSE BIBLES HIGH and READ IT OVER and OVER , and OVER and over and over and over and over AGAIN and then over and over and over and over and , well I think we all get the point . ITS THE ONLY BOOK I truly LOVE . NOW Hands up and praise the HOLY LORD . And be on guard for men that also try and push the early church fathers writings on us , CAUSE AS I said , I have read those in the library and I have ALWAYS found errors . While some may have had less than others , ERRORS were found and some outright extremely dangerous heresays . BUT you know what I found IN THE BIBLE . TOTAL TRUTH , great joy and such filling of the soul . HERMES , BE GONE , and all things contrary to the PURE and PREFECT SPIRIT and TRUTH of OUR LORD . I WONT be winning any awards from any scholars , BUT I GOT THE JOY OF THE LORD and HE KEEPS us safe . Ya Augustine had tremendous errors, and many of the Catholic doctrines go hand in hand with many of his beliefs, even some of the Calvinistic doctrines.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 29, 2019 7:50:51 GMT -5
This might anger some folks , But I seen errors in even the so called mighty Augustine so many hold up . I did read some of the early ones writings . I have read a bit of them . AND guess what , I ALWAYS found ERROR . BUT NOT IN THE BIBLE . NOT IN THE BIBLE . EXACTLY . We would be amazed at what has been going on FOR A LONG LONG TIME . AND its why I say , disregaurd them . BUT HOLD THOSE BIBLES HIGH and READ IT OVER and OVER , and OVER and over and over and over and over AGAIN and then over and over and over and over and , well I think we all get the point . ITS THE ONLY BOOK I truly LOVE . NOW Hands up and praise the HOLY LORD . And be on guard for men that also try and push the early church fathers writings on us , CAUSE AS I said , I have read those in the library and I have ALWAYS found errors . While some may have had less than others , ERRORS were found and some outright extremely dangerous heresays . BUT you know what I found IN THE BIBLE . TOTAL TRUTH , great joy and such filling of the soul . HERMES , BE GONE , and all things contrary to the PURE and PREFECT SPIRIT and TRUTH of OUR LORD . I WONT be winning any awards from any scholars , BUT I GOT THE JOY OF THE LORD and HE KEEPS us safe . Ya Augustine had tremendous errors, and many of the Catholic doctrines go hand in hand with many of his beliefs, even some of the Calvinistic doctrines. Yes sir giller . correct you are .
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 29, 2019 8:52:27 GMT -5
I think I understand what Justin is saying. When we say begotten, we stop at biological fatherhood. That’s certainly true of Jesus, but His incredible unity with Father God goes deeper than that. Creation was made through Jesus, the water and the cloud in the desert were Jesus, etc, which means Father and Jesus worked together daily. Where the Father was, there Jesus was, and where Jesus was the Father was, in everything. This is why Jesus can be found so much in the OT. Yes Jesus IS the only begotten — but He’s also the beloved in whom Father is well pleased.
John tried to capture this in his gospel. Jesus said He did nothing but what He learned and saw from Father. He spoke only what He heard from Father. There’s never been a time when the two worked apart from each other.
Clues to this abound in KJV, but it sounds like it’s more explicit/aggressive in the originals. Modern translations diligently work to weaken, diminish, and spin away from it further.
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