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Post by Giller on Aug 29, 2019 9:20:06 GMT -5
In this post, I am just stirring up a discussion, of how we sometimes can get trapped, in just saying popular sayings in Christian circles, which is is important so to see if it is even biblically compatible.
We have to be careful that we do not just go with the flow, and check out things, and seek to be accurate to the way God sees things.
One saying i think about is this, "let's go to church stuff", which is not biblically accurate, what the bible shows is that we are the church, and that we gather with the church, but never that we go to church.
And this has become a doctrine, were many if they go to a building that is going to church, for they the building as the church, but if you gather i n a house many of these same people, will not call that going to church.
Believers are the church, and they gather with each other, God really does want us to see things the way he says they are, now yes some do not know better, but the way to brings things back into God's focus is not by going wit the flow, but by showing the truth of things.
Because when you tend to go with the flow, the true meaning of the thing gradually gets lost, and even tend to made into a false meaning.
There are many examples of this so called Christian lingo that goes around.
For myself, I do not just want to repeat what another Christian says, I really want to know what I am saying.
Many sometimes compromise in order to lead people to Christ, but that is not a good way to follow, and really just hinders the gospel.
Yes I am a non conformist, to the Christian lingo in Christian circles, I just want to be conformed more to Christ's image.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 29, 2019 9:28:19 GMT -5
So true brother... “be the church” slowly became “go to church” which somehow became “report to a building once a week.”
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 29, 2019 9:31:50 GMT -5
Then when you get to the building, half the people are not even saved, so you have a crowd of unregenerate lost people attempting to offer worship. It’s never quite been explained how spiritually dead people in darkness can worship God in spirit and truth. The result, we get “worship” songs based on our feelings about God. Make people think about how much God loves us, this will stir their emotions, and we’ll call this worshipping God. The whole thing is a charade.
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Post by John on Aug 29, 2019 18:59:44 GMT -5
What you said is definitely true. You could probably attend many "houses of worship" where not one true Christian attends. The Bible says that we are the temple of the Holy Ghost. Wherever the true followers of Christ meet, that is having church, and where two or more are gathered together in His name, Jesus is in the midst.
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Post by Giller on Aug 29, 2019 22:56:58 GMT -5
I often times see preachers start to say certain sayings at times, and then you see it spread through whole congregations, and even much of the church world.
And some of these sayings are not totally biblical or at least half truths.
Then many in the Christian world, just jump on the bandwagon not knowing what they are saying, and a saying gets popular, without the person checking it out whether it matches up with the word of God or not.
They assume because pastor so and so says this, then it must be biblical..
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Post by Giller on Aug 29, 2019 22:58:16 GMT -5
What are some of the sayings you have seen?
Were it has become popular but went unchecked?
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Post by John on Aug 30, 2019 4:24:19 GMT -5
We have often come against one that is completely made up that says "faith plus nothing." That is not in the Bible anywhere. It contradicts the Book of James. There is also the mythical sin of legalism, which is not found in scripture anywhere, but is preached on like it is worse than murder in the sight of God. It contradicts things Jesus taught. I once had a Pastor that made up his own definition of grace that he claimed God gave him, and then preached it like he was reading an actual Dictionary definition from that day forward to reinforce it. Making up something and then repeating it like it is truth is a tactic that is used to brainwash people and pervert their understanding. We have to be careful. If something seems a bit off, look it up to see if it is really in the Bible.
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Post by solid on Aug 30, 2019 5:59:30 GMT -5
We have often come against one that is completely made up that says "faith plus nothing." That is not in the Bible anywhere. It contradicts the Book of James. There is also the mythical sin of legalism, which is not found in scripture anywhere, but is preached on like it is worse than murder in the sight of God. It contradicts things Jesus taught. I once had a Pastor that made up his own definition of grace that he claimed God gave him, and then preached it like he was reading an actual Dictionary definition from that day forward to reinforce it. Making up something and then repeating it like it is truth is a tactic that is used to brainwash people and pervert their understanding. We have to be careful. If something seems a bit off, look it up to see if it is really in the Bible.
It comes down to knowing your Bible.
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Post by John on Aug 30, 2019 6:08:43 GMT -5
We have often come against one that is completely made up that says "faith plus nothing." That is not in the Bible anywhere. It contradicts the Book of James. There is also the mythical sin of legalism, which is not found in scripture anywhere, but is preached on like it is worse than murder in the sight of God. It contradicts things Jesus taught. I once had a Pastor that made up his own definition of grace that he claimed God gave him, and then preached it like he was reading an actual Dictionary definition from that day forward to reinforce it. Making up something and then repeating it like it is truth is a tactic that is used to brainwash people and pervert their understanding. We have to be careful. If something seems a bit off, look it up to see if it is really in the Bible.
It comes down to knowing your Bible. There is that, and the need for a healthy amount of skepticism. Know your Bible, and if anyone says something that sounds a bit off, even if they are a leader, have a title and even run a large ministry, confirm what they said using a KJV Bible. Make sure they are not quoting scripture out of context. If they only reference scripture, make sure it says what they claim it does.
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Post by solid on Aug 30, 2019 8:31:13 GMT -5
It comes down to knowing your Bible. There is that, and the need for a healthy amount of skepticism. Know your Bible, and if anyone says something that sounds a bit off, even if they are a leader, have a title and even run a large ministry, confirm what they said using a KJV Bible. Make sure they are not quoting scripture out of context. If they only reference scripture, make sure it says what they claim it does.
There was a thread at worthy where the guy claimed God made promises to us and only posted references to scripture. It was all made up. They didn't say what he said they did. Someone pointed that out, and that caused me to look them up.
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Post by John on Aug 30, 2019 8:42:53 GMT -5
There is that, and the need for a healthy amount of skepticism. Know your Bible, and if anyone says something that sounds a bit off, even if they are a leader, have a title and even run a large ministry, confirm what they said using a KJV Bible. Make sure they are not quoting scripture out of context. If they only reference scripture, make sure it says what they claim it does.
There was a thread at worthy where the guy claimed God made promises to us and only posted references to scripture. It was all made up. They didn't say what he said they did. Someone pointed that out, and that caused me to look them up. I saw that. Bloodbought wrote the post with the false made up promises and FF exposed it as a lie. I think it was recycled, because I think he posted that same lie with references to scriptures that supposedly backed him up when in reality they didn't when I was still a member.
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Post by Giller on Aug 30, 2019 8:52:25 GMT -5
Today the word legalism is used to point to anything one might disagree with you.
If you preach against sin, some might call that legalism.
Here is a definition of the word legalism, that I have found:
(https://www.thefreedictionary.com/legalism)
(le•gal•ism (ˈli gəˌlɪz əm) n.
1. strict adherence to law or prescription, esp. to the letter rather than the spirit.
2. the theological doctrine that salvation is gained through good works. )
This is what is said, in a certain definition.
When I think of the word legalism, I think of the word legality.
There are laws in the bible, and do's and don'ts, but of course salvation is not through say the law, but through Christ, but to preach against sin itself, is not wrong, it is what God wants us to do.
The law itself is not sin, what would be sin, is seeking to be saved by the law itself, rather than Christ.
So if the word legalism is used to say that you are not saved by the law itself, that is true, but to say the law itself is sin, that is not true, and many if you just mention a biblical law or precept, they will call you a legalist, which they have no clue about what they are talking about.
It is like the law of God is repugnant to them, which is wrong.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 30, 2019 9:00:18 GMT -5
“In the world not of the world.” The Bible doesn’t actually say this. It’s a paraphrase of John 17. Jesus could have taken His followers with Him after the resurrection, but He asked Father to let them stay and grow His church. Worldly Christians use this phrase as an excuse to love things of the world and also claim to be spiritual. James said friendship with the world is enmity with God, so they get around this by saying they can be “in” what they’re not “of.
What’s worse is when they use this cliche to judge other Christians. If you say you don’t have Netflix because you don’t care for the world, they call you a Pharisee, and they say you must be “in the world not of the world” if you wish to evangelize your neighbors. Apparently Jesus is incapable of saving people through you until you know all the important pop culture references.
Another phrase that gets much traction is “carnal Christian.” This idea of a worldly, rebellious, unregenerate Christian being merely “carnal’ was invented in a denomination meeting in the 1950s. It gave large churches a way to lower their standards to keep the money/attendance up. Small church pastors tried to hold the line, but denomination bosses pounded on them with rhetoric that sounded vaguely Biblical. Paul said Christians at Corinth were carnal because they were divided over the apostles — not because they were unregenerate. Denomination bosses took this term and applied to people in church who are totally unregenerate and unremorseful. To be a “worldly Christian” makes as much sense as a “democratic dictator.”
“To love others you must first learn to love yourself.” Dimestore psychology that’s nowhere in the Bible.
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Post by Giller on Aug 30, 2019 9:00:27 GMT -5
I find that in the "go to church" saying, it has been made into some kind of law of merits, and if you do not gather at a building, but rather in a house or whatever, some of them look down on you, and will say that a house is not a church and so on.
And in regards to the faith movement, I have seen some amount of paranoia, that it has produced, to were some get annoyed in hearing the word "but", now I can understand that if you are using the word but to bring doubt to the word, that of course is not good, but I have tested one who use to believe in this, and mentioned the word "but" in a constructive way, and they were uncomfortable at just hearing the word but, which is actually in the bible.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 30, 2019 9:03:09 GMT -5
Today the word legalism is used to point to anything one might disagree with you. If you preach against sin, some might call that legalism. Here is a definition of the word legalism, that I have found: (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/legalism)(le•gal•ism (ˈli gəˌlɪz əm) n. 1. strict adherence to law or prescription, esp. to the letter rather than the spirit. 2. the theological doctrine that salvation is gained through good works. )This is what is said, in a certain definition.
When I think of the word legalism, I think of the word legality. There are laws in the bible, and do's and don'ts, but of course salvation is not through say the law, but through Christ, but to preach against sin itself, is not wrong, it is what God wants us to do. The law itself is not sin, what would be sin, is seeking to be saved by the law itself, rather than Christ. So if the word legalism is used to say that you are not saved by the law itself, that is true, but to say the law itself is sin, that is not true, and many if you just mention a biblical law or precept, they will call you a legalist, which they have no clue about what they are talking about. It is like the law of God is repugnant to them, which is wrong. If you parse the Bible on technical terms as if it’s a contract, you’re acting like a lawyer, and that’s what legalism is. You can use legalism to preach any doctrine. It has nothing to do with righteousness.
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