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Post by Apostle Peter on Sept 3, 2019 22:38:42 GMT -5
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water; Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to usward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of person ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming for the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness, Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. A-men.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 4, 2019 6:40:52 GMT -5
Hands up and REJOICE in the LORD . Feasting on the truth is always such a rejoice of the heart . Hands up and let all praise the LORD .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 7:31:06 GMT -5
<<...beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. BUT grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. >>
From the scriptures it seems we are encouraged and admonished to keep growing, and not rest on our laurels at any point on the way, otherwise we will be in danger of falling or of being led away. Like the cloud in the wilderness kept leading the children of Israel onward to the Promised Land, not to put down stakes and stay where they were camped. See how the words BUT, FOR and lest link to the preceding sentences.
Heb 6:1-6
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
And this will we do, if God permit.
FOR it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Luk 14:27-30
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
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Post by John on Sept 4, 2019 7:43:07 GMT -5
People that are living half in and half out often times are those that have lost faith that the Lord will return like He said He would. They will mock those that suggest we need to be ready, and will talk about how every generation for the last 2000 years have said Jesus will come back soon and He hasn't returned yet. They don't understand that God is longsuffering, and Jesus is tarrying in order to give as many as possible a chance to get right, but His longsuffering will come to an end. Just like the people mocked Noah and his warnings of an impending flood, people are mocking the idea of the return of the Lord, but he will keep His promise and will return for His church. We need to be ready at all times.
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Post by Passin' Thru on Sept 10, 2019 23:33:01 GMT -5
Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 13:00:37 GMT -5
These scriptures come to mind:
Joel 2:9-11 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Joel 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
There's no doubt in my mind that Joel 2 is alluding to the last days and the time of the Lord's return. Reading further, it reads to me that for those who have fallen away the locust army devours their harvest, but for the penitent remnant the Lord will give them a harvest (corn, new wine, oil)....and/or perhaps we can read it that it's because of being chastised by the army that there will be repentance and harvest.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 12, 2019 7:20:06 GMT -5
These scriptures come to mind: Joel 2:9-11 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Joel 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
There's no doubt in my mind that Joel 2 is alluding to the last days and the time of the Lord's return. Reading further, it reads to me that for those who have fallen away the locust army devours their harvest, but for the penitent remnant the Lord will give them a harvest (corn, new wine, oil)....and/or perhaps we can read it that it's because of being chastised by the army that there will be repentance and harvest. For a second I thought you were referring to the locust army in revelation . But now I see you are talking about joel . IN revelation it seems different , due to these locusts come against those who followed the beast . I think for sure and for certain the falling away will get far worse , but also we gonna see a few coming out of the wrong churches and etc. Peter quoted joel two on the Day of Pentecost to the peoples . Sister , we all need to be on guard big time about what I saw on worthy . This is a highly deceptive delusion . And yes its tied into the word Love . They are saying that if folks love their neighbor then in essence they are following Christ , EVEN if they don't know him or profess him . ITS that delusion sister and it is in churches too . ITs why Kenneth and others have been using the word love so much . It truly is one big agenda to gather all religions and peoples of the earth under one common mindset . That is GOD is love , and yet while that half is true , WE KNOW ANY LOVE that comes from GOD would PROCLAIM JESUS as LORD and SAVOIR . THIS love does not , it denies this . IT denies that a man must confess him . Its not good sister . I have corrected it but he aint listening . The man is under a delusion . Yall we cant let that come here . THE ONE THING that is ABSOLUTE about our salvation is this , WE must believe FROM the heart and CONFESS with the mouth the LORD in order to be saved . I knew it would come , BY GRACE . This will really take off in the times ahead . THEN in time anyone preaching Exclusive salvation , will not be tolerated by the world or churches even other religions are going under it . Look at the message of the pope three years back , his prayer . And the muslim , buddist , jew , christain all saying GOD IS LOVE . This stuff is really increasing . I love you all , let us be on guard and be ready to defend the true faith till the last breath . ONE for sure thing is , That we must keep our confidence steadfast IN CHRIST to the end . AND HE said if a man believes in HIM he is saved if not He is damned. Yet they even take this out of text . You should have seen what that man said in response to what I said . They think if one believes in LOVE then they automatically BELIEVE IN CHRIST even if they don't know the name or profess him by mouth . THIS STUFF is going out of control . WHICH should show us we truly are running out of time . And that the delusion really has began . The great falling away at its peak . Because they are convincing folks to deny the very fundamental Cornerstone of our entire foundation . And while we know the other religions are false , they have convinced and are convincingthem too about this love stuff . SO we see a huge end time gathering under a COMMON Mindset . This should remind us of at the sound of the music all must bow to the image that nebb set up . ONLY we see the talking of an image in revelation too . And those who wont worship this image of the beast will be killed . By grace we can see things coming . Let us be here for one another and let us always POINT to CHRIST and adorn His doctrine .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 12, 2019 7:32:20 GMT -5
I See john read it . Good . Yall , as the end approaches We knew decptoins would abound just as would inquity . Its here now . We have to be here for one another . IF anyone starts trying to bring thoughts like we seen on that Robert schuler show IT MUST be corrected ASAP . WE NEED to Focus on what we know that the apostels knew . NO confession of JESUS equals no salvation. Man they have been at work for quite some time , ONLY NOW the effects of leaven have created such a delusion . I want us to pray and consider we very well might be gathering in person in the time ahead . As this increases more and more of society as ONE will really come against us . So many will go under the delusion . Lets keep it simple . And that is , JESUS HIMSELF , the APOSTELS , and the elect lambs through all generations FOCUSED on and knew that if one confessed NOT JESUS as LORD by mouth and it was not from the heart that GOD raised him from the dead . That he is the only name under heaven Given unto men in order to be saved . THEY KNEW IT . ITS THE LAST GENERATION that is going haywire under this false inclusive love thing . And we must not PARTAKE of it in any way . HOLD FIRM the HOPE IN JESUS to the end .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 12, 2019 7:41:31 GMT -5
PS . this had nothing to do with watchfuls post . Other than when I saw the words harvest , IT just reminded me of what I saw at worthy . NOT that watchful is at all connected to that delusion . Sometimes when I seen things or a word , A remembrance can come to mind . Yall , WE NEED TO DO AS JESUS SAID . PRAY ye that ye enter not into temptation , taking heed to all things HE DID and said . In the end what matters , IS THAT A MAN or WOMAN confessed JESUS as LORD and FOLLOWED HIM . Without this grace , THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION , NO ETERNAL LIFE . We need to increase prayers for one another and all the lambs world wide .
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 12, 2019 8:22:04 GMT -5
And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. — Joel 2:30-31
I don’t know what the floor full of wheat represents in Joel 2, but parts of this chapter are clearly about the second coming.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 9:01:09 GMT -5
These scriptures come to mind: Joel 2:9-11 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Joel 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
There's no doubt in my mind that Joel 2 is alluding to the last days and the time of the Lord's return. Reading further, it reads to me that for those who have fallen away the locust army devours their harvest, but for the penitent remnant the Lord will give them a harvest (corn, new wine, oil)....and/or perhaps we can read it that it's because of being chastised by the army that there will be repentance and harvest. For a second I thought you were referring to the locust army in revelation . But now I see you are talking about joel . IN revelation it seems different , due to these locusts come against those who followed the beast . I think for sure and for certain the falling away will get far worse , but also we gonna see a few coming out of the wrong churches and etc. Peter quoted joel two on the Day of Pentecost to the peoples . Sister , we all need to be on guard big time about what I saw on worthy . This is a highly deceptive delusion . And yes its tied into the word Love . They are saying that if folks love their neighbor then in essence they are following Christ , EVEN if they don't know him or profess him . ITS that delusion sister and it is in churches too . ITs why Kenneth and others have been using the word love so much . It truly is one big agenda to gather all religions and peoples of the earth under one common mindset . That is GOD is love , and yet while that half is true , WE KNOW ANY LOVE that comes from GOD would PROCLAIM JESUS as LORD and SAVOIR . THIS love does not , it denies this . IT denies that a man must confess him . Its not good sister . I have corrected it but he aint listening . The man is under a delusion . Yall we cant let that come here . THE ONE THING that is ABSOLUTE about our salvation is this , WE must believe FROM the heart and CONFESS with the mouth the LORD in order to be saved . I knew it would come , BY GRACE . This will really take off in the times ahead . THEN in time anyone preaching Exclusive salvation , will not be tolerated by the world or churches even other religions are going under it . Look at the message of the pope three years back , his prayer . And the muslim , buddist , jew , christain all saying GOD IS LOVE . This stuff is really increasing . I love you all , let us be on guard and be ready to defend the true faith till the last breath . ONE for sure thing is , That we must keep our confidence steadfast IN CHRIST to the end . AND HE said if a man believes in HIM he is saved if not He is damned. Yet they even take this out of text . You should have seen what that man said in response to what I said . They think if one believes in LOVE then they automatically BELIEVE IN CHRIST even if they don't know the name or profess him by mouth . THIS STUFF is going out of control . WHICH should show us we truly are running out of time . And that the delusion really has began . The great falling away at its peak . Because they are convincing folks to deny the very fundamental Cornerstone of our entire foundation . And while we know the other religions are false , they have convinced and are convincingthem too about this love stuff . SO we see a huge end time gathering under a COMMON Mindset . This should remind us of at the sound of the music all must bow to the image that nebb set up . ONLY we see the talking of an image in revelation too . And those who wont worship this image of the beast will be killed . By grace we can see things coming . Let us be here for one another and let us always POINT to CHRIST and adorn His doctrine .
I understand what you are saying brother. But some understanding I have received by grace, is that there is nothing new under the sun and what has been will be again...prophecy is speaking in spirit and often has more than one fulfillment. In the sense that, as it was fulfilled concerning Israel, our ensample, it will also be fulfilled concerning the church. For example, where it says the glory of the latter house will be greater than the former house....was also fulfilled concerning Israel, but I believe will be fulfilled again, concerning the church. Anyway, I understand your caution, we need to be careful, but by all means I encourage you to test and consider this. As for the delusion..... so very thankfully there is a remnant that is well taught of the Lord that there is salvation in no other name but Jesus Christ. Our own righteousness is as filthy rags and nobody is going to be able to stand before Almighty God in the end in their own name on the basis of their own righteousness. Only those who are hid in Christ will be protected from the consuming fire. Yes, they are destroying the very foundations of the faith and of truth....Scripture says what can the righteous do when the foundation is destroyed....the answer is there is nothing that can be done at that point, but we are instructed elsewhere to flee out of the building before it falls down. When you see "Jerusalem" (ie, church) surrounded by armies (about to be judged), flee to the mountains (high places and hidden in God/Christ...looking up for our redemption draws nigh). This was a prophecy that was also already fulfilled with Israel, but is seeing another fulfillment in these last days with the church. Yes, they are making another religion, a counterfeit religion, that is NOT the faith we have received from Christ and the prophets and apostles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 9:19:06 GMT -5
PS . this had nothing to do with watchfuls post . Other than when I saw the words harvest , IT just reminded me of what I saw at worthy . NOT that watchful is at all connected to that delusion . Sometimes when I seen things or a word , A remembrance can come to mind . Yall , WE NEED TO DO AS JESUS SAID . PRAY ye that ye enter not into temptation , taking heed to all things HE DID and said . In the end what matters , IS THAT A MAN or WOMAN confessed JESUS as LORD and FOLLOWED HIM . Without this grace , THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION , NO ETERNAL LIFE . We need to increase prayers for one another and all the lambs world wide . Again I understand being cautious, but still it's sad when we hear wonderful words of scripture that we would have to sort of default into being reminded about the false misuse of those things. I want to just rejoice in the truth. We need to really leave the false church so far behind that we are not moved one jot by what the deceived are doing and saying, in the sense that it has ought to do with us. Brother we are to be innocent of evil, so encourage us all to cleave to the Lord and His word, and not be moved one little inch from it just because others are counterfeiting the real. The only harvest the counterfeit will bring will be a harvest of death....as per Joel's army devouring everything in sight (God's judgment) and as per the false prophets of Baal ordered killed when Elijah triumphed over them by the hand of the Lord.
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Post by John on Sept 12, 2019 9:46:13 GMT -5
PS . this had nothing to do with watchfuls post . Other than when I saw the words harvest , IT just reminded me of what I saw at worthy . NOT that watchful is at all connected to that delusion . Sometimes when I seen things or a word , A remembrance can come to mind . Yall , WE NEED TO DO AS JESUS SAID . PRAY ye that ye enter not into temptation , taking heed to all things HE DID and said . In the end what matters , IS THAT A MAN or WOMAN confessed JESUS as LORD and FOLLOWED HIM . Without this grace , THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION , NO ETERNAL LIFE . We need to increase prayers for one another and all the lambs world wide . Again I understand being cautious, but still it's sad when we hear wonderful words of scripture that we would have to sort of default into being reminded about the false misuse of those things. I want to just rejoice in the truth. We need to really leave the false church so far behind that we are not moved one jot by what the deceived are doing and saying, in the sense that it has ought to do with us. Brother we are to be innocent of evil, so encourage us all to cleave to the Lord and His word, and not be moved one little inch from it just because others are counterfeiting the real. The only harvest the counterfeit will bring will be a harvest of death....as per Joel's army devouring everything in sight (God's judgment) and as per the false prophets of Baal ordered killed when Elijah triumphed over them by the hand of the Lord. I know what you are saying. I had to stop myself from turning a post into a rant against the OSAS heresy. If we focus on the truth, hopefully others will recognize the error. I do understand why Frienduff is so cautious. He is clearly called of God to warn of danger. He has also seen people who started out right fall away, and that does happen. It is the sad reality that there are a lot of false teachers today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 10:32:29 GMT -5
And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. — Joel 2:30-31I don’t know what the floor full of wheat represents in Joel 2, but parts of this chapter are clearly about the second coming. Amen sister..I believe it was both the first coming of Christ when the sun turned to darkness at His crucifixion, and also will happen again when He comes the second time, or be associated with the season of His second coming. And the corn (wheat), wine, and oil seems to be about a harvest of spiritual fruitfulness....which a remnant of Israel received (the early church), and also the church will receive the promised fullness to come, which that was only the earnest of.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 12, 2019 15:01:45 GMT -5
And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. — Joel 2:30-31I don’t know what the floor full of wheat represents in Joel 2, but parts of this chapter are clearly about the second coming. Amen sister..I believe it was both the first coming of Christ when the sun turned to darkness at His crucifixion, and also will happen again when He comes the second time, or be associated with the season of His second coming. And the corn (wheat), wine, and oil seems to be about a harvest of spiritual fruitfulness....which a remnant of Israel received (the early church), and also the church will receive the promised fullness to come, which that was only the earnest of. WELL put those hands up and praise the LORD . WE KNOW WHO OUR SAVOIR IS . IF you go to WORTHY , beware of luigi . That one is heavily infected with this inclusive stuff . But he aint alone , its all over the leaders of even many prostestant churches now and it will get worse . IF you got to worthy and see that thread , YOU GONNA SEE just how for years this was the plan all along . TURN GOD into an INCLUSIVE LOVE where CONFESSION in JESUS is not necessary for salvation . ITS a fat lie of course . But this fellow is heavily seduced and aint backing down .
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