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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 10:04:23 GMT -5
Frienduff I agree brother. This ought to be simple. It’s quite simple in the Bible. The complicated debates arise because Calvinists and seeker-friendlies tie it up in knots for their own gain, and then holiness people go on the defensive. Personally I don’t find much delight in opposing false doctrines all day. Nor did paul , nor do I , nor do you , nor should any . YET look how fast paul would correct . THE JOY does not come by enforcing the ROD , If one repents , THEN THE JOY OCCURS . We must always correct error for the good of the people . But I have never had JOY in having to rebuke those in error . MY JOY has only been IN THE LORD and WHEN I SEEN OTHERS WALKING IN THE TRUTH . Paul even was this way . WHY do you THINK he wrote that second letter to the Corinthians . SO THEY WOULD REPENT before HE ARRIVED . so instead of dire rebukes , IT WOULD BE JOY FROM THEM of WHOM HE did receive . Yet , always remninding of the dangers of error , PAUL was and they were too . Any day of the week and twice told ,I would rather see folks just loving the LORD and walking in truth , Rather then I would to have to be rebuking them . Think about this . WHEN WE SEE one bring truth , what do we do , how do we feel. YOU KNOW IT REJOICES YOUR HEART . WHEN you see one bring error .......................DO YOU FEEL JOY or a heavy burden and danger for that person . Exactly . Folks think , often, I am a hater who loves to just dispute and fight . WHEN that is not the case . IT IS LOVE , IT IS CARE and CONCERN for those in error . NOW notice that when the apostels met those who opposed the truth and would not repent . THEY ran them out , they blinded some , they rebuked them huge . MY big problem is WITH THE mega false ones that LORD their lies over the flocks . AND my big groaning is watching or hearing THOSE WHO LOVE TO HAVE IT SO and cling to their lies . So we need to continue to expose , BUT MAN WE NEED TO KEEP IT SIMPLE TOO . Beause paul was right , these meats that calvin brought in not only are they dangerous , GOOD HEAVENS it causes strife upon strife . Calvin was a highly dangerous man . And the sooner we learn this , THE BETTER WE GONNA BE for KNOWING IT . LETS just return to the pattern and words OF OUR LORD JESUS and of the apostels and prophets .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 10:13:20 GMT -5
Here should be a huge wakeup reminder call . Did we forget what days we in . Do we really wanting to be striving over mens meats , OR BUILDING ONE ANOTHER UP in the PURE and SIMPLE PATH OF CHRIST
And seeing that TIME is running out AND also that no man knows their final hour . DO we want to be debating the meats of men of who , what why , OR KEEPING IT SIMPLE and POINTING TO JESUS as the means of salvation and reminding the church TO BE YE HOLY and be OBEYING HIM .
ITS REAL SIMPLE . LIVE as though its your last day , and on my last day I do not want to have spent it debating mens preconceived meats on whatever , BUT RATHER JUST PONITING to the ONLY HOPE WE HAVE , WHICH IS CHRIST and edifying all to who know HIM to CONTINUE IN HIM .
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 11, 2019 10:15:14 GMT -5
I hope you understand what I mean about opposing false doctrines all day. Not to shy away from correction. I mean I don’t let false teachers live rent free in my head. I don’t enjoy doing their little dances.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 10:20:38 GMT -5
And that would include correcting . For we desire none to perish . But lets edify IN what JESUS TAUGHT and the apostels taught . KEEPING all HOPE in CHRIST and just telling the world , REPENT and BELEIVE IN THE ONLY SAVOIR . Everything will fall into place if we simply Follow CHRIST and learn HIM well and what the apostels said . People get offened when I rebuke their teachers . Say like calvin , or the pope or rick warren or ostein or others . Yet they are false . IF any man however wants to examine my teachers . GO READ THE BIBLE . ITS WHAT GOD PUT ME IN . EXACTLY . Cant rebuke that . I am greatful I was put ONLY in the BIBLE and did not grow up under the doctrines of men . WHILE I did sin more than most , then grace appeared and the love of truth was shed faith in Christ occurred . ANd right into the bible with a fresh mind I went . Not having to unlearn what calvin or others taught , SINCE I never learned it to begin with . JUST LEARING the pure scrips . WHAT a wonderful work of GRACE this has been . So lets just cast aside the doctrines of men and start fresh n bibles and learn it well . OBEYING from the heart OUR LORD . Having all hope and true JOY IN HIM and doing all to ensure the edification of the body and to always be on guard against false wolves and false doctrine . LEARN the BIBLE , LEARN JESUS . ANd if our FAITH is in HIM , THEN WE DO HAVE THE SPIRIT and we WILL LEARN as we ought .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 10:25:51 GMT -5
I hope you understand what I mean about opposing false doctrines all day. Not to shy away from correction. I mean I don’t let false teachers live rent free in my head. I don’t enjoy doing their little dances. I understood you very clear dear sister . I KNEW in no way did you mean it like that . YOU ARE LOVED dear sister . Now hands up and let us rejoice in the LORD .
We also should be finding a way to start helping out our brothers and sisters who are in need . For ten days I will not be able to work . NO , I am not aksing for money , I said that because I wont be able to give . But I found one in need . I have the desire . I don't know if they want their name said . But in a month or so , maybe we can mail them a little money to help out . Not much at all . Just a little . They live in Wisconsin . I don't think it will be needed every month . And this dear sister , NEVER ONCE ASKED FOR IT . But I can tell she might need a little help . WE KNOW her , but I don't want to say her name here , just in case it would bother her . Its things like this that are so good to do . The church took care of its own . I don't think its an emergency this month . But maybe in October we can surprise them . I will speak more on this later .
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 11, 2019 10:27:59 GMT -5
And that would include correcting . For we desire none to perish . But lets edify IN what JESUS TAUGHT and the apostels taught . KEEPING all HOPE in CHRIST and just telling the world , REPENT and BELEIVE IN THE ONLY SAVOIR . Everything will fall into place if we simply Follow CHRIST and learn HIM well and what the apostels said . People get offened when I rebuke their teachers . Say like calvin , or the pope or rick warren or ostein or others . Yet they are false . IF any man however wants to examine my teachers . GO READ THE BIBLE . ITS WHAT GOD PUT ME IN . EXACTLY . Cant rebuke that . I am greatful I was put ONLY in the BIBLE and did not grow up under the doctrines of men . WHILE I did sin more than most , then grace appeared and the love of truth was shed faith in Christ occurred . ANd right into the bible with a fresh mind I went . Not having to unlearn what calvin or others taught , SINCE I never learned it to begin with . JUST LEARING the pure scrips . WHAT a wonderful work of GRACE this has been . So lets just cast aside the doctrines of men and start fresh n bibles and learn it well . OBEYING from the heart OUR LORD . Having all hope and true JOY IN HIM and doing all to ensure the edification of the body and to always be on guard against false wolves and false doctrine . LEARN the BIBLE , LEARN JESUS . ANd if our FAITH is in HIM , THEN WE DO HAVE THE SPIRIT and we WILL LEARN as we ought . Some of you guys are more suited to that than I am. Places like Worthy just wear on my nerves so bad I can’t deal with it. Brother you know, it’s easier to witness to a lost person who’s never heard of Calvin, than to try to make a Calvinist unlearn those complex doctrines. That man’s teaching does something to the brain.
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Post by John on Sept 11, 2019 10:39:52 GMT -5
John 3:16 does not say that God so loved every single person every conceived, so he sent his only begotten son. It says that God so loved the world, which clearly means his creation. If saying this is speaking of the elect is twisting this verse, how much more is claiming it is saying every person ever conceived when it doesn't say that?
Calvinism means that you follow Calvin's doctrine, not that you believe there is an elect. If you believe in predestination and election, but reject most everything else Calvin taught, you are not a Calvinist. You are holding to a Biblical teaching. Jesus states that there are children of the devil in this world. Jesus said that to be saved, the Father must choose to reveal His son to you. That is a fact. If He doesn't, you won't be saved. That is a fact. The question is, does God love children of the devil that He knows will never be saved? Did God love Esau? Did God love Saul? Did God love Pharaoh who opposed Moses? Does God loves those he rejects at the judgment? Those are legitimate questions that cannot be answered using John 3:16.
Westboro Baptist did more than hate sin and sinners. They rejoiced over innocent people dying because they desired judgment to come on America. They protested military funerals, when the soldiers may have been believers. There is another issue here. We don't know who the elect are, so it would be wrong of us to hate people based on behavior, and we should pray for everyone. If you hated Saul, later Paul, you hated one of the elect, as he was a chosen vessel. God knew that, but we didn't. I can prove everything I said here using scripture. But we still come back to the question asked in the OP, does Jesus hate? If we are speaking of sinners and fallen angels, the jury is still out.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 11, 2019 10:52:31 GMT -5
John 3:16 does not say that God so loved every single person every conceived, so he sent his only begotten son. It says that God so loved the world, which clearly means his creation. If saying this is speaking of the elect is twisting this verse, how much more is claiming it is saying every person ever conceived when it doesn't say that?
Calvinism means that you follow Calvin's doctrine, not that you believe there is an elect. If you believe in predestination and election, but reject most everything else Calvin taught, you are not a Calvinist. You are holding to a Biblical teaching. Jesus states that there are children of the devil in this world. Jesus said that to be saved, the Father must choose to reveal His son to you. That is a fact. If He doesn't, you won't be saved. That is a fact. The question is, does God love children of the devil that He knows will never be saved? Did God love Esau? Did God love Saul? Did God love Pharaoh who opposed Moses? Does God loves those he rejects at the judgment? Those are legitimate questions that cannot be answered using John 3:16.
Westboro Baptist did more than hate sin and sinners. They rejoiced over innocent people dying because they desired judgment to come on America. They protested military funerals, when the soldiers may have been believers. There is another issue here. We don't know who the elect are, so it would be wrong of us to hate people based on behavior, and we should pray for everyone. If you hated Saul, later Paul, you hated one of the elect, as he was a chosen vessel. God knew that, but we didn't. I can prove everything I said here using scripture. But we still come back to the question asked in the OP, does Jesus hate? If we are speaking of sinners and fallen angels, the jury is still out.
Wow. I didn’t realize you believe God chooses our election. Okay.
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Post by John on Sept 11, 2019 10:59:56 GMT -5
John 3:16 does not say that God so loved every single person every conceived, so he sent his only begotten son. It says that God so loved the world, which clearly means his creation. If saying this is speaking of the elect is twisting this verse, how much more is claiming it is saying every person ever conceived when it doesn't say that?
Calvinism means that you follow Calvin's doctrine, not that you believe there is an elect. If you believe in predestination and election, but reject most everything else Calvin taught, you are not a Calvinist. You are holding to a Biblical teaching. Jesus states that there are children of the devil in this world. Jesus said that to be saved, the Father must choose to reveal His son to you. That is a fact. If He doesn't, you won't be saved. That is a fact. The question is, does God love children of the devil that He knows will never be saved? Did God love Esau? Did God love Saul? Did God love Pharaoh who opposed Moses? Does God loves those he rejects at the judgment? Those are legitimate questions that cannot be answered using John 3:16.
Westboro Baptist did more than hate sin and sinners. They rejoiced over innocent people dying because they desired judgment to come on America. They protested military funerals, when the soldiers may have been believers. There is another issue here. We don't know who the elect are, so it would be wrong of us to hate people based on behavior, and we should pray for everyone. If you hated Saul, later Paul, you hated one of the elect, as he was a chosen vessel. God knew that, but we didn't. I can prove everything I said here using scripture. But we still come back to the question asked in the OP, does Jesus hate? If we are speaking of sinners and fallen angels, the jury is still out.
Wow. I didn’t realize you believe God chooses our election. Okay. If God created us knowing all we will ever do, who will be saved and who will be lost, and Jesus says you can't be saved unless the Father reveals Christ to you, I don't see how you can believe anything else. I have explained this before. But I am not a Calvinist or OSAS believer. Neither group agrees with me.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 11, 2019 11:03:50 GMT -5
Okay. For some reason it didn’t register to me when you spoke on it before.
I have no interest in speculating whether God loves Lucifer, so I’ll see myself out of this thread.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 13:09:38 GMT -5
And that would include correcting . For we desire none to perish . But lets edify IN what JESUS TAUGHT and the apostels taught . KEEPING all HOPE in CHRIST and just telling the world , REPENT and BELEIVE IN THE ONLY SAVOIR . Everything will fall into place if we simply Follow CHRIST and learn HIM well and what the apostels said . People get offened when I rebuke their teachers . Say like calvin , or the pope or rick warren or ostein or others . Yet they are false . IF any man however wants to examine my teachers . GO READ THE BIBLE . ITS WHAT GOD PUT ME IN . EXACTLY . Cant rebuke that . I am greatful I was put ONLY in the BIBLE and did not grow up under the doctrines of men . WHILE I did sin more than most , then grace appeared and the love of truth was shed faith in Christ occurred . ANd right into the bible with a fresh mind I went . Not having to unlearn what calvin or others taught , SINCE I never learned it to begin with . JUST LEARING the pure scrips . WHAT a wonderful work of GRACE this has been . So lets just cast aside the doctrines of men and start fresh n bibles and learn it well . OBEYING from the heart OUR LORD . Having all hope and true JOY IN HIM and doing all to ensure the edification of the body and to always be on guard against false wolves and false doctrine . LEARN the BIBLE , LEARN JESUS . ANd if our FAITH is in HIM , THEN WE DO HAVE THE SPIRIT and we WILL LEARN as we ought . Some of you guys are more suited to that than I am. Places like Worthy just wear on my nerves so bad I can’t deal with it. Brother you know, it’s easier to witness to a lost person who’s never heard of Calvin, than to try to make a Calvinist unlearn those complex doctrines. That man’s teaching does something to the brain. You are right my dear sister . You just keep on doing as you are doing . Pointing to Christ .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 13:14:21 GMT -5
Wow. I didn’t realize you believe God chooses our election. Okay. If God created us knowing all we will ever do, who will be saved and who will be lost, and Jesus says you can't be saved unless the Father reveals Christ to you, I don't see how you can believe anything else. I have explained this before. But I am not a Calvinist or OSAS believer. Neither group agrees with me.
Butero . with all my heart can we just leave this be . IF you know something and it aint being received , can we just preach what we know and let us focus on What we know . And that is this , NO JESUS no eternal life . And mouth only aint no good . I mean the strife would cease man . My dear friend let the itch go . Just let it go . You are loved butero. SO please don't take this the wrong way . But let us just focus on the simple things we know . Thus the gospel that does save will be center on our heart . There are things we just wont know . BUT what we do know , THAT JESUS only saves and if a man denies HIM in mouth or in heart its damanation , let us focus on this . Worthy is under the inclusive attacks o yet another . I don't want us striving , we need to be getting built up and fast . Cause I do warn us all , ITS GOING TO COME To this site . And we must be ready to defend and contend for the true faith .
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Post by John on Sept 11, 2019 13:22:49 GMT -5
If God created us knowing all we will ever do, who will be saved and who will be lost, and Jesus says you can't be saved unless the Father reveals Christ to you, I don't see how you can believe anything else. I have explained this before. But I am not a Calvinist or OSAS believer. Neither group agrees with me.
Butero . with all my heart can we just leave this be . IF you know something and it aint being received , can we just preach what we know and let us focus on What we know . And that is this , NO JESUS no eternal life . And mouth only aint no good . I mean the strife would cease man . My dear friend let the itch go . Just let it go . You are loved butero. SO please don't take this the wrong way . But let us just focus on the simple things we know . Thus the gospel that does save will be center on our heart . There are things we just wont know . BUT what we do know , THAT JESUS only saves and if a man denies HIM in mouth or in heart its damanation , let us focus on this . Worthy is under the inclusive attacks o yet another . I don't want us striving , we need to be getting built up and fast . Cause I do warn us all , ITS GOING TO COME To this site . And we must be ready to defend and contend for the true faith .
I just locked the other thread so it won't be a further stumbling block over this topic. If everyone else is content to let it go, I will.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 13:28:46 GMT -5
Butero . with all my heart can we just leave this be . IF you know something and it aint being received , can we just preach what we know and let us focus on What we know . And that is this , NO JESUS no eternal life . And mouth only aint no good . I mean the strife would cease man . My dear friend let the itch go . Just let it go . You are loved butero. SO please don't take this the wrong way . But let us just focus on the simple things we know . Thus the gospel that does save will be center on our heart . There are things we just wont know . BUT what we do know , THAT JESUS only saves and if a man denies HIM in mouth or in heart its damanation , let us focus on this . Worthy is under the inclusive attacks o yet another . I don't want us striving , we need to be getting built up and fast . Cause I do warn us all , ITS GOING TO COME To this site . And we must be ready to defend and contend for the true faith .
I just locked the other thread so it won't be a further stumbling block over this topic. If everyone else is content to let it go, I will.
HANDS UP and PRAISE THE LORD . THE LORD , IT IS HE ALONE WHO IS OUR HOPE . That's right butero . And even though I know you know this , AINT it a blessing JUST TO HEAR IT AGAIN . HANDS UP and REJIOCE IN THE LORD and IN THE LORD let all rejoice .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 13:30:37 GMT -5
By now I am sure we know what is coming next , And on that NOTE LET THE LORD BE PRAISED . Man , there simply is NO JOY LIKE THE LORD and PRAISING HIM and ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO DO THE SAME , THAT EVEN GIVES ME MORE JOY . HANDS UP , And let the LORD be praised . And let us remember that in all we do or say , may it HONOR HIM . Be faithful to the end and a crown awaits .
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