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Post by Giller on Sept 8, 2019 8:50:18 GMT -5
The word of God says many things about the conscience, here are a few scriptures:
1Ti 3:9 (9) Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1Ti 4:2 (2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Heb 10:22 (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
It talks about a pure conscience, a conscience that can be seared with a hot iron, and in one of these verses the heart being sprinkled from an evil conscience.
If people want to comment on these specific verses or other verses concerning the conscience that is totally fine.
But one area I want to focus on, is the area of being sprinkled from an evil conscience by the blood of the lamb, or as Hebrews 10:2 says, having no more conscience of sins, which can only be brought about by the blood of Jesus.
That is the difference between, being conscience of what sin is, and having no more conscience of sins because of the blood of the lamb.
Because some of the faith movement people mention about not being conscience of sin, or having no sin conscientiousness, by the speaking of positive things so to override sin.
And many of the faith movement people and seeker sensitive, do not speak much against sin, just on what they would call positive things, or what has been know as the "doctrine of positive thinking", or Norman Vincent Peale stuff.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Sept 8, 2019 9:40:21 GMT -5
And many of the faith movement people and seeker sensitive, do not speak much against sin... There is nothing wrong with preaching against sin, if it is done by faith (i.e. under the direction of the Holy Spirit).
People just need to have more boldness and live out of sin.
“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children,
brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.” - Luke 14:26
“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.” - Matthew 10:37
Preaching against sin helps (especially new believers); as painful as it may sound. And unbelievers are encouraged to reconsider their ways.
Most people do not preach against sin today because they have no authority to do so (i.e. they live in sin).
How would a pastor preach against sin when he had just sinned?!
He will not have enough faith to overcome the accusations against him and preach truth.
The devil will do all he can to avoid preaching of the truth.
That is one of the reasons a preacher cannot give much chance for the devil otherwise he will will not be able to preach with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
And that is why the Lord always prepare those who are called to do such a thing.
“Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor,
sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.” - 2 Timothy 2:21
Blessings!
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Post by frienduff on Sept 8, 2019 10:08:33 GMT -5
And many of the faith movement people and seeker sensitive, do not speak much against sin... There is nothing wrong with preaching against sin, if it is done by faith (i.e. under the direction of the Holy Spirit).
People just need to have more boldness and live out of sin.
“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children,
brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.” - Luke 14:26
“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.” - Matthew 10:37
Preaching against sin helps (especially new believers); as painful as it may sound. And unbelievers are encouraged to reconsider their ways.
Most people do not preach against sin today because they have no authority to do so (i.e. they live in sin).
How would a pastor preach against sin when he had just sinned?!
He will not have enough faith to overcome the accusations against him and preach truth.
The devil will do all he can to avoid preaching of the truth.
That is one of the reasons a preacher cannot give much chance for the devil otherwise he will will not be able to preach with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
And that is why the Lord always prepare those who are called to do such a thing.
“Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor,
sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.” - 2 Timothy 2:21
Blessings!
That's right letters . And the good news is I bet giller agrees . Is it odd that the early church in their letters mentioned more than once , TO NOT DO EVIL and that those who do such WILL not inherit the kingdom of GOD , and yet today its , ALL is well and none mention much at all about sin , And if they do more and more its the practicing of doing as the early church leaders instructed that is spoken against when others bring their same approach . YET that approach was never meant to change . But it did . But let not a lamb one that mentions the name of JESUS be a partaker of the darkness of sins evil . Or as paul once taught , LET all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST our LORD and savoir , DEPART FROM INQUITY . Those approaches must remain the same . For many do and are being taken in with the error of the wicked and it must be warned against . Letters you put those hands up and rejoice in the LORD . My prayer is no matter what ever happens to me that narrow way will march on in the LORD and keep on with the good exhortations . My belly and side are giving me all sorts of problems my friend . My brother who had his appendix removed , says my symptoms describe appendcitus . But I got no Insurance , You keep praying letters . Keep praying . Its getting worse for now , but on we go in the LORD my friend . I love you all . Let none be swayed once , let the exhortations carry on till the final breath .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 16:59:31 GMT -5
The word of God says many things about the conscience, here are a few scriptures: 1Ti 3:9 (9) Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 1Ti 4:2 (2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Heb 10:22 (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. It talks about a pure conscience, a conscience that can be seared with a hot iron, and in one of these verses the heart being sprinkled from an evil conscience. If people want to comment on these specific verses or other verses concerning the conscience that is totally fine. But one area I want to focus on, is the area of being sprinkled from an evil conscience by the blood of the lamb, or as Hebrews 10:2 says, having no more conscience of sins, which can only be brought about by the blood of Jesus. That is the difference between, being conscience of what sin is, and having no more conscience of sins because of the blood of the lamb. Because some of the faith movement people mention about not being conscience of sin, or having no sin conscientiousness, by the speaking of positive things so to override sin. And many of the faith movement people and seeker sensitive, do not speak much against sin, just on what they would call positive things, or what has been know as the " doctrine of positive thinking", or Norman Vincent Peale stuff. Others may differ, but here's how I understand it, so far. When we come to faith in Christ Jesus we are washed clean from that moment and have no conscience of sin. But if afterward we do something we know to be wrong, then we have conscience of that sin. I believe it is possible for a person to have sin or commit sin that they do not know about or do not know it is sin, and in Christ the person is still saved through faith in Him, since in the OT there were sacrifices for sins committed in ignorance. But little by little as we walk with the Lord He begins revealing things about ourselves that we didn't know before, in order that we may overcome those things as we become more and more sanctified. Going from glory to glory, from victory to victory. Exo 23:29-30
I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee.
By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 17:07:48 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with preaching against sin, if it is done by faith (i.e. under the direction of the Holy Spirit).
People just need to have more boldness and live out of sin.
“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children,
brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.” - Luke 14:26
“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.” - Matthew 10:37
Preaching against sin helps (especially new believers); as painful as it may sound. And unbelievers are encouraged to reconsider their ways.
Most people do not preach against sin today because they have no authority to do so (i.e. they live in sin).
How would a pastor preach against sin when he had just sinned?!
He will not have enough faith to overcome the accusations against him and preach truth.
The devil will do all he can to avoid preaching of the truth.
That is one of the reasons a preacher cannot give much chance for the devil otherwise he will will not be able to preach with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
And that is why the Lord always prepare those who are called to do such a thing.
“Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor,
sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.” - 2 Timothy 2:21
Blessings!
That's right letters . And the good news is I bet giller agrees . Is it odd that the early church in their letters mentioned more than once , TO NOT DO EVIL and that those who do such WILL not inherit the kingdom of GOD , and yet today its , ALL is well and none mention much at all about sin , And if they do more and more its the practicing of doing as the early church leaders instructed that is spoken against when others bring their same approach . YET that approach was never meant to change . But it did . But let not a lamb one that mentions the name of JESUS be a partaker of the darkness of sins evil . Or as paul once taught , LET all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST our LORD and savoir , DEPART FROM INQUITY . Those approaches must remain the same . For many do and are being taken in with the error of the wicked and it must be warned against . Letters you put those hands up and rejoice in the LORD . My prayer is no matter what ever happens to me that narrow way will march on in the LORD and keep on with the good exhortations . My belly and side are giving me all sorts of problems my friend . My brother who had his appendix removed , says my symptoms describe appendcitus . But I got no Insurance , You keep praying letters . Keep praying . Its getting worse for now , but on we go in the LORD my friend . I love you all . Let none be swayed once , let the exhortations carry on till the final breath .
Brother, if you have pain in the lower right quadrant of your abdomen and a fever then it could be appendicitus. It is possible for the immune system to fight off the infection, but if the appendix swells to the point where it ruptures, then it can spread the infection throughout the body (sepsis) and that would be very serious. Are there any charity hospitals or clinics around where you could get checked out? I thought the USA had such facilities. Will keep you in prayer.
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Post by Giller on Sept 8, 2019 19:31:41 GMT -5
Here is a definition from the Thayer's Greek definitions:
(Thayer's Greek definitions)
(G4893
συνείδησις suneidēsis
Thayer Definition: 1) the consciousness of anything 2) the soul as distinguishing between what is morally good and bad, prompting to do the former and shun the latter, commending one, condemning the other 2a) the conscience
Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a prolonged form of G4894)
In the conscience there is a type of awareness.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 8, 2019 19:42:04 GMT -5
That's right letters . And the good news is I bet giller agrees . Is it odd that the early church in their letters mentioned more than once , TO NOT DO EVIL and that those who do such WILL not inherit the kingdom of GOD , and yet today its , ALL is well and none mention much at all about sin , And if they do more and more its the practicing of doing as the early church leaders instructed that is spoken against when others bring their same approach . YET that approach was never meant to change . But it did . But let not a lamb one that mentions the name of JESUS be a partaker of the darkness of sins evil . Or as paul once taught , LET all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST our LORD and savoir , DEPART FROM INQUITY . Those approaches must remain the same . For many do and are being taken in with the error of the wicked and it must be warned against . Letters you put those hands up and rejoice in the LORD . My prayer is no matter what ever happens to me that narrow way will march on in the LORD and keep on with the good exhortations . My belly and side are giving me all sorts of problems my friend . My brother who had his appendix removed , says my symptoms describe appendcitus . But I got no Insurance , You keep praying letters . Keep praying . Its getting worse for now , but on we go in the LORD my friend . I love you all . Let none be swayed once , let the exhortations carry on till the final breath .
Brother, if you have pain in the lower right quadrant of your abdomen and a fever then it could be appendicitus. It is possible for the immune system to fight off the infection, but if the appendix swells to the point where it ruptures, then it can spread the infection throughout the body (sepsis) and that would be very serious. Are there any charity hospitals or clinics around where you could get checked out? I thought the USA had such facilities. Will keep you in prayer. Pray away my dear sister . Yes its right there on the lower right quadrant . I knew I had problems when also later it started feeling really odd in the private area . And the bowels and all are swollen up . I looked it up to see if it can also feel like that , like a dull ache in the private area . My brother had that too . SO did luke . I look bloated sister , well kinda . But its not giving me much pain at all . Not really , I accidentally bumped that right side , And then it did really hurt . But its been nearly three days . It slowly progressed . But keep praying . Because long before it bursts , SHOULDNT it hurt a whole lot . OR can it just stay a dull pain . Either way if its still bothering me , Tomorrow morning I will have to get it checked out . Oh we have an emergency room , I think they would admit me and just put me on payment plans . Either way , KEEP praying . You are loved dear sister .
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Post by Giller on Sept 8, 2019 21:05:48 GMT -5
In regards to having no conscience of sins, as regards our sins being washed under the blood of the lamb, it is not meaning that we are not conscience of what sin is or is not, but rather having no conscience of sins, in this sense, points to having been washed from the filth and guilt of sin, and therefore our sins are no longer or no longer remain, thus, that stain, that guilt, that condemnation, is gone, therefore us having no more conscience of sins.
And it is evident that God wants us to know what sin is, for the bible says this:
Eph 4:31 (31) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Col 3:9 (9) Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Rom 7:7 (7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Now in saying these things, it does not mean that we seek to get life from the moral law, for there is no life in the moral law, for life is found in the person of Jesus Christ.
And if we walk in the love of God, you won't even be thinking of killing , stealing and so forth, and it is not that we have the moral law continuously before our eyes, to were we are trying to fulfill the law, no not at all, but nevertheless it is still needed for the sake of conviction when needed, and for the sake of awareness of what is right and wrong.
But for life, what is needed is Christ, and the results he brought to us through the resurrection and the cross.
Our faith must be placed in Christ and him crucified, in him and his finished work.
But in the case of the faith movement, they say for us not to have a sin consciousness, to were if we speak positive enough it will override the sin consciousness, that is a big reason why they do not speak against sin very much.
You can even speak just the positive things of the word, and yet still not be free from sin.
How do we overcome Satan?
By the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.
It is not so much about speaking positive, but it is rather dealing with sin the way the bible tells us to deal with it.
If you sin, you repent and bring it under the blood, you do not try to confess positively that you are a king's kid, to deal with it, but rather you deal with it, by putting your faith in his blood, through repentance.
And if you are being tempted with sin, the bible says to fight the good fight of faith, through properly putting your faith in Christ and his finished work, knowing that you have the victory in him, and thus continue to stand, and God will bring the victory, that is to stand on his word.
But it takes our faith to be tested now and again, and we have to remember that we are always growing in faith.
We fight the same way Jesus showed us to fight, when he fought the temptations of Satan in the wilderness, but knowing we have the victory, in what he has already accomplished.
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Post by Giller on Sept 8, 2019 21:34:09 GMT -5
1Ti 3:9
(9) Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
A pure conscious is a conscious that has been purged from sin, it is a conscious that has no longer that guilty stain, it is a conscious that is walking in the love of God, that allows the word to renew it's mind.
It is a conscience that does not allow mixture, but delights in the pure word of God.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 7:05:08 GMT -5
Brother, if you have pain in the lower right quadrant of your abdomen and a fever then it could be appendicitus. It is possible for the immune system to fight off the infection, but if the appendix swells to the point where it ruptures, then it can spread the infection throughout the body (sepsis) and that would be very serious. Are there any charity hospitals or clinics around where you could get checked out? I thought the USA had such facilities. Will keep you in prayer. Pray away my dear sister . Yes its right there on the lower right quadrant . I knew I had problems when also later it started feeling really odd in the private area . And the bowels and all are swollen up . I looked it up to see if it can also feel like that , like a dull ache in the private area . My brother had that too . SO did luke . I look bloated sister , well kinda . But its not giving me much pain at all . Not really , I accidentally bumped that right side , And then it did really hurt . But its been nearly three days . It slowly progressed . But keep praying . Because long before it bursts , SHOULDNT it hurt a whole lot . OR can it just stay a dull pain . Either way if its still bothering me , Tomorrow morning I will have to get it checked out . Oh we have an emergency room , I think they would admit me and just put me on payment plans . Either way , KEEP praying . You are loved dear sister .
We sure take our "free" health care up here too much for granted sometimes. Yes, good idea to get checked out for sure, and I hope it will not cost too much to at least get a medical opinion, and then take it from there and seek the Lord's leading, brother. Meanwhile I'm sure everyone here will be praying for healing and a good report...let us know what the doc says. Pain can vary a lot between individuals in general, and I can't remember if pain will always necessarily increase before a rupture or not.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 9, 2019 11:15:48 GMT -5
Pray away my dear sister . Yes its right there on the lower right quadrant . I knew I had problems when also later it started feeling really odd in the private area . And the bowels and all are swollen up . I looked it up to see if it can also feel like that , like a dull ache in the private area . My brother had that too . SO did luke . I look bloated sister , well kinda . But its not giving me much pain at all . Not really , I accidentally bumped that right side , And then it did really hurt . But its been nearly three days . It slowly progressed . But keep praying . Because long before it bursts , SHOULDNT it hurt a whole lot . OR can it just stay a dull pain . Either way if its still bothering me , Tomorrow morning I will have to get it checked out . Oh we have an emergency room , I think they would admit me and just put me on payment plans . Either way , KEEP praying . You are loved dear sister .
We sure take our "free" health care up here too much for granted sometimes. Yes, good idea to get checked out for sure, and I hope it will not cost too much to at least get a medical opinion, and then take it from there and seek the Lord's leading, brother. Meanwhile I'm sure everyone here will be praying for healing and a good report...let us know what the doc says. Pain can vary a lot between individuals in general, and I can't remember if pain will always necessarily increase before a rupture or not. Not much . the cost was one hundred and five dollars . THEN the cost for anti biotics . BUT THE PRAYERS are working . Even when he pushed on that spot , sister their was no pain . I woke up feeling even better . But he said Watch it and if it does get worse GO to the Emergency room . I had to take a urine test too and etc . But the GOOD LORD in HIS MERCIES alone IS the ONE who has done this . I HAVE NO DOUBT AT ALL on that . The lymph nodes appeard a bit swolled , but he was not at all concerned . IT IS GETTING and GOT MUCH BETTER . SO HANDS UP and let all PRAISETHE LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 9, 2019 11:17:43 GMT -5
THIS MAN GONNA PRAISE AND THANK GOD . SO hands up and praise the HOLY LORD . OH thank the HOLY LORD . How merciful and full of mercies HE IS DAILY . HANDS UP and REJOICE IN THE KING . HANDS UP and PRAISE the HOLY LORD . BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 9, 2019 11:22:41 GMT -5
The doctor also had this to say . HE no likey OBAMA CARE . I guess he aint alone . Because I had asked him about maybe getting a low cost insurance . That was when he said that Obama care stuff is no good . Guess doctors don't like it either . And it aint as cheap or low cost as one might think either .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 13:11:39 GMT -5
We sure take our "free" health care up here too much for granted sometimes. Yes, good idea to get checked out for sure, and I hope it will not cost too much to at least get a medical opinion, and then take it from there and seek the Lord's leading, brother. Meanwhile I'm sure everyone here will be praying for healing and a good report...let us know what the doc says. Pain can vary a lot between individuals in general, and I can't remember if pain will always necessarily increase before a rupture or not. Not much . the cost was one hundred and five dollars . THEN the cost for anti biotics . BUT THE PRAYERS are working . Even when he pushed on that spot , sister their was no pain . I woke up feeling even better . But he said Watch it and if it does get worse GO to the Emergency room . I had to take a urine test too and etc . But the GOOD LORD in HIS MERCIES alone IS the ONE who has done this . I HAVE NO DOUBT AT ALL on that . The lymph nodes appeard a bit swolled , but he was not at all concerned . IT IS GETTING and GOT MUCH BETTER . SO HANDS UP and let all PRAISETHE LORD .
\O/ \O/ Glory, thank you Jesus! praise the Lord! Amen! That's good news brother, I'm glad to hear it....what a good God we serve...and MIGHTY!
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Post by frienduff on Sept 9, 2019 16:31:29 GMT -5
That's right sister of the north lands . And whether HE had healed me or not , HE IS GOOD ALL THE TIME . But HE DID . SO LET ALL REJOICE IN THE LORD . Let us thank Him and praise HIM . My soul is on fire and may the LORD BE PRAISED .
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