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Post by John on Sept 18, 2019 7:18:31 GMT -5
It looks to me like there was some kind of order in the early church. Shouldn't we do things like the Bible says to? Is following the Bible creating a system? Did God create a system? I do think there is a type of structure found in scripture, but not to the point of laying out in precise details the order of each service.
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Sept 18, 2019 8:01:32 GMT -5
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Post by solid on Sept 18, 2019 8:01:32 GMT -5
It looks to me like there was some kind of order in the early church. Shouldn't we do things like the Bible says to? Is following the Bible creating a system? Did God create a system? I do think there is a type of structure found in scripture, but not to the point of laying out in precise details the order of each service.
Are you saying we need to go back to the Bible and create a new system?
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Post by John on Sept 18, 2019 8:07:12 GMT -5
I do think there is a type of structure found in scripture, but not to the point of laying out in precise details the order of each service.
Are you saying we need to go back to the Bible and create a new system? It is not that I think we need a "new system." I am saying we need to return to the original order or system if you want to call it that.
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 9:48:59 GMT -5
There is no doubt order in the bible, God gave us the 5 fold ministry, and he gave us the body.
He says to do all things decently and in order.
But in the sense of having a specific man made system, to were a denomination is formed, it is just not found in the bible, about God creating such a thing.
He formed a body to be an organism.
And we are called to love one another, and if things worked by that principal, which love also requires us to love his ways, then everything would fall into place.
Just show me one scripture were God commanded that a denomination be formed?
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Post by John on Sept 18, 2019 9:55:13 GMT -5
There is no doubt order in the bible, God gave us the 5 fold ministry, and he gave us the body. He says to do all things decently and in order. But in the sense of having a specific man made system, to were a denomination is formed, it is just not found in the bible, about God creating such a thing. He formed a body to be an organism. And we are called to love one another, and if things worked by that principal, which love also requires us to love his ways, then everything would fall into place. Just show me one scripture were God commanded that a denomination be formed? There is no command to start a denomination, but the early churches had oversight by the Apostles, so in that sense, they were connected.
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 10:01:02 GMT -5
And the church is not suppose to be an organisation, or some type of method, but it is something we become when we get born again, and Jesus came to bring us life.
And when we participate say in a service, it is to be done in a true living way, to were the Spirit is giving life to it.
There are too many methods in what is called the church today, like the methods that Rick Warren promotes.
And these methods does not create life, they actually quench the life of Christ in you.
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Post by John on Sept 18, 2019 10:05:08 GMT -5
And the church is not suppose to be an organisation, or some type of method, but it is something we become when we get born again, and Jesus came to bring us life. And when we participate say in a service, it is to be done in a true living way, to were the Spirit is giving life to it. There are too many methods in what is called the church today, like the methods that Rick Warren promotes. And these methods does not create life, they actually quench the life of Christ in you. Let's suppose you are going to start a church in your area. What would it be like?
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 10:05:27 GMT -5
There is no doubt order in the bible, God gave us the 5 fold ministry, and he gave us the body. He says to do all things decently and in order. But in the sense of having a specific man made system, to were a denomination is formed, it is just not found in the bible, about God creating such a thing. He formed a body to be an organism. And we are called to love one another, and if things worked by that principal, which love also requires us to love his ways, then everything would fall into place. Just show me one scripture were God commanded that a denomination be formed? There is no command to start a denomination, but the early churches had oversight by the Apostles, so in that sense, they were connected.
Yes Butero, I totally agree with that. There was oversight, and they were connected, and it was an oversight, to were yes they oversaw how the churches were doing, corrected things needed correction, and so forth, but through a spirit of care for the churches. They sought to walk in this type of oversight duty, from a genuine heart, to were they actually cared for people, it was not ritualistic, just going through the motions, but it was real.
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 10:08:40 GMT -5
And the church is not suppose to be an organisation, or some type of method, but it is something we become when we get born again, and Jesus came to bring us life. And when we participate say in a service, it is to be done in a true living way, to were the Spirit is giving life to it. There are too many methods in what is called the church today, like the methods that Rick Warren promotes. And these methods does not create life, they actually quench the life of Christ in you. Let's suppose you are going to start a church in your area. What would it be like?
Just seek to follow the ways the bible says to do so, that is it. And continuously seeking the Lord in prayer, in the various steps is paramount.
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 10:09:42 GMT -5
And yes there would be order and God would raise up leaders and so forth, and he does so one step at a time.
And you have to do with what you have.
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 10:11:17 GMT -5
To me you can have 5 people or even less and be a church.
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 10:12:47 GMT -5
We often times think of a grandios amount, or else in many people's minds it is not a church.
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 10:13:29 GMT -5
Remember that it is not the building that is the church, but the people.
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 10:16:33 GMT -5
And many people think that you have to be affiliated to the government to have a church, but the first church did not seek this, and the first church was not established this way.
Those were man made rules that brought about that, unless you are signed up in the system, then you are not a church, but tell that to the Chinese, who have house churches, or under ground churches.
We are very much being programmed by the government, or man made ways.
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Post by Giller on Sept 18, 2019 10:17:37 GMT -5
God brings people together.
And it does not have to be fancy, or after a specific way, the true love of God will draw us together.
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