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Post by frienduff on Nov 19, 2019 8:31:53 GMT -5
Amen brother, you correct. Blessed to see others are finally seeing the Truth. To those with "ears to hear" and a heart to receive, God is lifting the veil. Yet many walk in deception still. I'm still being shunned and banned from forums for preaching Repentance, and that the promises of Rev 2 & 3 will come only to those who "overcome." Peace and Blessings to all who truly walk with Jesus. The need for repentance is all over the bible, in both new and old testaments, so we would wonder how could anyone possibly argue with it. But it seems there is sometimes, or maybe often, a disconnect between the mind and heart of a person. It think it is possible that the heart may have repented but the carnal mind doesn't understand and tries to splice and dice the truth too finely to the point of getting lost in the weeds. I think not everyone who has a wrong understanding means that they are walking in sin, or that they are not saved. It is a bigger problem though when people come and actually teach or preach wrong understanding, as opposed to those who are just expressing their wrong understanding. I've even heard some say that you are not a Christian if you understand the concept of trinity wrong....yikes. Who is sufficient for these things.....we're all seeing through a glass darkly....and I'm mindful of where it says if we think we know we do not yet know as we ought. In newer ones especially . for example it don't make one of the devil if they don't understand the whole of tribulation and the exact timing of Gods appearance , ex pre mid post . Or if one is convicted about certain meats not to eat , does not make them of the devil anymore than one who believes he may eat all things freely . Specially early on , many that were raised in a church have much that needs burning out and may at first hang to some traditional taught concepts . Its sin itself that our conscious would become very aware of . SO if a man comes teaching contrary to doctrine concerning sin , THEN we got problems and we got major ones on that . But I did not understand the Godhead , till I think around five or six months after being led to Christ . And I was not of the devil any longer , even since day one that HE pulled me out . There are just concepts that need to be burned out and re learned . But then there are very and highly dangerous lies that must be fled very fast . One thing I can say , while I did not have the knowledge at first , THE SPIRIT KEPT ME from ever loving sin . I may not have known something , but I knew when something WAS NOT RIGHT . The knowledge kept coming , and by grace it does . Let us only increase our bible reading and feasting . Hands up sister of the northern frontier . You are loved .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 19, 2019 8:40:24 GMT -5
I like the scripture in Philippians 2 that talks about how Jesus left His 'divinity' behind, so to speak, and became as a servant, obeying and subjecting Himself to the Father and Holy Spirit, setting the example for us. I like every scripture, but the question is, who is Jesus? Is He God? I fully understand that He walked this earth as a man, but was Jesus God before he was born into this world, and is Jesus God today? I don't believe a misunderstanding about the Trinity will keep someone from being saved, but denying Jesus is God will keep someone from being saved because they are not believing that Jesus is who He said He is. Cult leaders believe Jesus is the Son of God or a prophet, but not God himself. If just accepting Jesus is the Son of God is enough to be saved, the Mormons have to be accepted as Christians.
In the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with GOD and God is the WORD .
And after the resurrection of JESUS CHRIST , a beautiful and wonderful thing was recorded for us to know and to embrace and love .
The desicple had seen the nails in his hand , He had seen his LORD alive and the words rang out , MY LORD and MY GOD . AND JESUS DID NOT CORRECT HIM for saying this . Had it been an error , JESUS Would have said NO , GET UP , I am a man like you worship GOD . Just as did the apostles , just as did even the angel twice to JOHN . THE TRUTH is , all over the old and holy scriptures it is written WORSHIP ONLY the LORD your GOD and HE alone shall you serve . SO HOW COME JESUS did not rebuke that disciple , WHEN not only had he knelt before HIM , but said the words MY LORD and MY GOD . Sure it may be hard for some to understand this , specially early on , BUT IT DONT MAKE IT ONE OUNCE LESS TRUTH . By grace I believed even when I did or do NOT understand and the understanding will come in time to all who are following HIM .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 19, 2019 8:46:32 GMT -5
When I read those things in the bible I knew they were true , EVEN though I did not understand . But cept ye be converted as small children , you shall in no wise enter into the kingdom . A small child may not understand all things , but rest assured they will believe the truth and obey it , even before they given the understanding by the SPIRIT . So this is why it IS so dangerous to fight against truth . BELEIVE what is written , EVEN IF you do not understand it . THE understanding will come in time to those who seek HIM , honoring and obeying HIM from the heart . But FIGHT NOT against the truth for only grave danger awaits and one who resists truth is in grave danger of being given over to a lie , to a wrong understanding and not only will they be headed in a direction opposite of the truth , they will endanger the lives of all who begin to believe their lie . EVEN if one does not understand the GOD HEAD and things like HOW JESUS said I go to the FATHER and HE is greater than I , JUST believe what the other scrips say too . And that disciple said my LORD and my GOD . Don't let our understanding end up contradicting truth . Simply believe truth that is written and be patient and be seeking HIM and HE will give us what we need to know and the understanding in time of what WE NEED to KNOW .
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Post by John on Nov 19, 2019 8:50:06 GMT -5
I like every scripture, but the question is, who is Jesus? Is He God? I fully understand that He walked this earth as a man, but was Jesus God before he was born into this world, and is Jesus God today? I don't believe a misunderstanding about the Trinity will keep someone from being saved, but denying Jesus is God will keep someone from being saved because they are not believing that Jesus is who He said He is. Cult leaders believe Jesus is the Son of God or a prophet, but not God himself. If just accepting Jesus is the Son of God is enough to be saved, the Mormons have to be accepted as Christians.
In the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with GOD and God is the WORD .
And after the resurrection of JESUS CHRIST , a beautiful and wonderful thing was recorded for us to know and to embrace and love .
The desicple had seen the nails in his hand , He had seen his LORD alive and the words rang out , MY LORD and MY GOD . AND JESUS DID NOT CORRECT HIM for saying this . Had it been an error , JESUS Would have said NO , GET UP , I am a man like you worship GOD . Just as did the apostles , just as did even the angel twice to JOHN . THE TRUTH is , all over the old and holy scriptures it is written WORSHIP ONLY the LORD your GOD and HE alone shall you serve . SO HOW COME JESUS did not rebuke that disciple , WHEN not only had he knelt before HIM , but said the words MY LORD and MY GOD . Sure it may be hard for some to understand this , specially early on , BUT IT DONT MAKE IT ONE OUNCE LESS TRUTH . By grace I believed even when I did or do NOT understand and the understanding will come in time to all who are following HIM .
In the situation I was mentioning, we weren't talking about a new Christian not understanding the Trinity. It was a person who is a Bible teacher who was doing videos teaching this kind of stuff, that Jesus is not God, but only the Son of God. That was his understanding of Jesus' relationship between the Father and the Son. If we were talking about a new believer that came in here to learn, that would be completely different. I wouldn't ban someone like that. This person I am thinking about wouldn't have been banned if they hadn't come as an instructor and even linked his other web-site and videos to us. Every situation we encounter is different, and the last thing I look to do is find fault to kick people out. It has to be pretty egregious. That is especially true when it comes to blocking an IP Address. That is not something we normally do.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 19, 2019 9:09:09 GMT -5
In the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with GOD and God is the WORD .
And after the resurrection of JESUS CHRIST , a beautiful and wonderful thing was recorded for us to know and to embrace and love .
The desicple had seen the nails in his hand , He had seen his LORD alive and the words rang out , MY LORD and MY GOD . AND JESUS DID NOT CORRECT HIM for saying this . Had it been an error , JESUS Would have said NO , GET UP , I am a man like you worship GOD . Just as did the apostles , just as did even the angel twice to JOHN . THE TRUTH is , all over the old and holy scriptures it is written WORSHIP ONLY the LORD your GOD and HE alone shall you serve . SO HOW COME JESUS did not rebuke that disciple , WHEN not only had he knelt before HIM , but said the words MY LORD and MY GOD . Sure it may be hard for some to understand this , specially early on , BUT IT DONT MAKE IT ONE OUNCE LESS TRUTH . By grace I believed even when I did or do NOT understand and the understanding will come in time to all who are following HIM .
In the situation I was mentioning, we weren't talking about a new Christian not understanding the Trinity. It was a person who is a Bible teacher who was doing videos teaching this kind of stuff, that Jesus is not God, but only the Son of God. That was his understanding of Jesus' relationship between the Father and the Son. If we were talking about a new believer that came in here to learn, that would be completely different. I wouldn't ban someone like that. This person I am thinking about wouldn't have been banned if they hadn't come as an instructor and even linked his other web-site and videos to us. Every situation we encounter is different, and the last thing I look to do is find fault to kick people out. It has to be pretty egregious. That is especially true when it comes to blocking an IP Address. That is not something we normally do.
OH , I KNOW . I was just reminding us about how young babes do not know , but that no matter what we should believe what is written , whether we understand it or not . But for sure I knew you were not talking about some newbie . Even as a newbie , It always seemed so dark when one would say JESUS IS NOT GOD , Even though I myself did not understand the Godhead . STILL I knew TRUTH and the word had said , GOD was the WORD . And that disciple had also said , MY LORD and my GOD . Sure I did not at first grasp HOW JESUS could say the FATHER is greater than I , YET I believed it , still believing GOD is HIS WORD . Just the thought of saying or denying the deity of Christ has terrified me for the souls that do this . if we don't understand , YET , THEN JUST LEAVE IT BE . Lest we be found to be speaking AGAINST GOD . Folks need to flee the tabernacles of men , and simply SEEK THE LORD and gather with those WHO DO LOVE HIM in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH and you know also what I will say next , AND FLEE this false unity at all costs . REAL UNITY is CHRIST CENTERED , not humanity and just getting along centered . OH , I know you know , but people come and read what is wrote so let them read and enjoy .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 19, 2019 9:13:19 GMT -5
And it is written , and HE shall be called wonderful counsler , the mighty GOD the everlasting FATHER . YET this speaks of the one who is born of a virgin . NOWWHY do we suppose it says that . Exactly . THE WORD DID BECOME FLESH and GOD IS HIS WORD . EMMANUEL does not mean a god is with us , IT MEANS GOD IS WITH US . not some prophet , not some great man , BUT GOD IS WITH US . Now let the lambs rejoice in HE who has saved us . LET the lambs PRAISE THE LORD . GOD is SPIRIT and we must worship HIM in SPIRIT and TRUTH . HE is HIS SPIRIT , HE IS TRUTH and HE IS HIS WORD . AND JESUS IS the very ESSENCE OF GOD and GOD is HIS OWN ESSENCE . Put those hands up and let a praise be given to the KING . And no matter what does come against us , THE LORD IS WITH US and shall be with us .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 10:50:42 GMT -5
I like the scripture in Philippians 2 that talks about how Jesus left His 'divinity' behind, so to speak, and became as a servant, obeying and subjecting Himself to the Father and Holy Spirit, setting the example for us. I like every scripture, but the question is, who is Jesus? Is He God? I fully understand that He walked this earth as a man, but was Jesus God before he was born into this world, and is Jesus God today? I don't believe a misunderstanding about the Trinity will keep someone from being saved, but denying Jesus is God will keep someone from being saved because they are not believing that Jesus is who He said He is. Cult leaders believe Jesus is the Son of God or a prophet, but not God himself. If just accepting Jesus is the Son of God is enough to be saved, the Mormons have to be accepted as Christians.
I'm agreeing with you John, and it says so very explicitly in scripture, at least two or three places.....but I just wanted to also mention that though He was/is God He didn't walk as God when He was on earth, but walked as a man in obedience and dependence on God, to show us the way and be a forerunner for us. He did not walk as equal to God but took on the form of a servant. I'm not sure but that might be where some are getting tripped up in saying that He was not God.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 19, 2019 13:34:09 GMT -5
If that is what is getting you banned and shunned from forums, it wouldn't get you in trouble here. We believe in the need for repentance and that we must overcome to have any inheritance in the Kingdom of God. Is that the only reason you have had issues at different forums?
That, and sharing my understanding of the relationship between the Father and the Son, even though it is as Jesus taught, has caused the many to verbally attack me and prevent me from teaching contrary to the traditions of man. And sadly it happened here already. Candy's intense hatred of me led her to even block my home IP address from posting on this forum. Sad indeed, that so much of God's Holy Word is shoved aside in favor of carnal wisdom. But as I must remain faithful to the Lord, I continue teaching His Word, and His alone. As always, Peace and Blessings to all who truly walk with Jesus. Well hi there Michael. Your obsession is getting a little creepy.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 19, 2019 16:53:22 GMT -5
Put those hands up my peoples and my friends . IT IS TIME TO PRAISE THE LORD .
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Post by John on Nov 19, 2019 18:46:55 GMT -5
If that is what is getting you banned and shunned from forums, it wouldn't get you in trouble here. We believe in the need for repentance and that we must overcome to have any inheritance in the Kingdom of God. Is that the only reason you have had issues at different forums?
That, and sharing my understanding of the relationship between the Father and the Son, even though it is as Jesus taught, has caused the many to verbally attack me and prevent me from teaching contrary to the traditions of man. And sadly it happened here already. Candy's intense hatred of me led her to even block my home IP address from posting on this forum. Sad indeed, that so much of God's Holy Word is shoved aside in favor of carnal wisdom. But as I must remain faithful to the Lord, I continue teaching His Word, and His alone. As always, Peace and Blessings to all who truly walk with Jesus. There are a few things I wanted to say to you based on this post. Obviously, I know who you are based on these comments. Our differences have nothing to do with traditions of men. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be. The fact you keep saying that makes me wonder who filled your head with that? Do you have a Bible teacher that holds to the same doctrines you do that repeated that line, and told you that is the reason we believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is God? If that is the case, or even if it is not, that is wrong.
There are really two different issues here. We are Trinitarian, but we have a bigger and more serious conflict. I have a minister friend that doesn't believe in the Trinity, but he believes Jesus is God. His mix up is that he believes that Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that God came to us in the form of man as Jesus Christ. He believes that in heaven, the only one we will see is Jesus. This is a serious doctrinal flaw, and I can easily refute it, but he is not denying that Jesus Christ is I AM. I could much more easily longsuffer with his error than yours. You are saying that Jesus lied to us. I want you to think about this. John 8:58-59.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
I want you to think about something. Why were they taking up stones to cast at Jesus? It certainly wasn't because he said he was older than Abraham. It is because Jesus said that he was I AM. They all knew what he meant. They understood that he was referencing when God told Moses that His name was I AM. Jesus was clearly stating that He is God. This is not tradition. This is the Word of God. Think about this too. Their reaction was to stone Jesus for blasphemy because He dared to say that He was God, and they couldn't accept that. You are doing the same thing. No, you aren't actually picking up physical stones to throw at Jesus, but you are walking just as much in unbelief as they did. You are calling Jesus a liar every single time you teach that Jesus is anything less than God, and you have reduced him to the point where we can share His throne with Him and be Messiah along with Him. Jesus did not teach any of that. I agree with you about the need to live holy and be an overcomer, but you can live as holy as you like, but if you reject Jesus as God, you are lost. I don't say that because of hatred, but because I sincerely care.
You said that Candy hates you so much, she blocked your home IP Address. First of all, I don't believe anyone here hates you. Secondly, Candance did not block your home IP Address. I did. It wasn't because I hate you. It was because you were teaching that Jesus lied to us when He said He is I AM. I can't have a teacher here calling Jesus a liar. I don't think you understand the seriousness of this, and it is contrary to our Statement of Faith. If you were just here as a seeker and a member and not coming to us as a teacher, I would possibly have given you more latitude, even though your beliefs are contrary to our SOF, because I really don't like banning anyone, and you are only the second person I have had to block. The other one kept making false accusations and attacking us verbally, and left me no choice. I didn't want to have to block him. A lady that I considered a friend was defending your position that Jesus isn't God and I had to stop her from teaching. That was not easy to do, because we go back a ways. I certainly don't hate her. I wish that she could come to believe fully in Jesus, as I wish the same thing for you that you would both be saved.
The way I see this, you have some very mixed up views of what the Bible teaches. I suspect that someone you trust as a Bible teacher is the cause of some of the mix ups, and that you likely came to some false conclusions on your own as a result of your belief about Jesus not being God and your assumption that all who believe Jesus is God do so based on tradition. I would love to help you work through this, but God has to reveal the truth of who Jesus is to your heart, so all we can do is pray for you. I don't know if you come here because you feel isolated and want fellowship with believers or if you are frustrated that we reject your teachings or both. We are not shunning you as a person, but we are rejecting you as a Bible teacher. Until you come to understand who Jesus is, you cannot be born again, and you won't have the Spirit living on the inside to lead you into truth, so you will be looking at scripture with a carnal mind, and everything you teach will be off. Since I know you are still here, I will remember you in prayer, and ask that God the Father will reveal the truth to you about the Trinity and who Jesus is that you can be born again.
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Post by Cletus on Nov 19, 2019 19:10:21 GMT -5
another thing to consider with...
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
notice it says going thru the midst of them? He walked thru them. imagine if you will a ghost passing thru a wall... or an angry mob. a mere man? me thinks not. you cant just walk thru an angry mob who is out to kill you. that is... if they can touch you, or grab you.
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Post by Following the Lamb on Mar 28, 2020 18:42:44 GMT -5
That, and sharing my understanding of the relationship between the Father and the Son, even though it is as Jesus taught, has caused the many to verbally attack me and prevent me from teaching contrary to the traditions of man. And sadly it happened here already. Candy's intense hatred of me led her to even block my home IP address from posting on this forum. Sad indeed, that so much of God's Holy Word is shoved aside in favor of carnal wisdom. But as I must remain faithful to the Lord, I continue teaching His Word, and His alone. As always, Peace and Blessings to all who truly walk with Jesus. There are a few things I wanted to say to you based on this post. Obviously, I know who you are based on these comments. Our differences have nothing to do with traditions of men. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be. The fact you keep saying that makes me wonder who filled your head with that? Do you have a Bible teacher that holds to the same doctrines you do that repeated that line, and told you that is the reason we believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is God? If that is the case, or even if it is not, that is wrong.
There are really two different issues here. We are Trinitarian, but we have a bigger and more serious conflict. I have a minister friend that doesn't believe in the Trinity, but he believes Jesus is God. His mix up is that he believes that Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that God came to us in the form of man as Jesus Christ. He believes that in heaven, the only one we will see is Jesus. This is a serious doctrinal flaw, and I can easily refute it, but he is not denying that Jesus Christ is I AM. I could much more easily longsuffer with his error than yours. You are saying that Jesus lied to us. I want you to think about this. John 8:58-59.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
I want you to think about something. Why were they taking up stones to cast at Jesus? It certainly wasn't because he said he was older than Abraham. It is because Jesus said that he was I AM. They all knew what he meant. They understood that he was referencing when God told Moses that His name was I AM. Jesus was clearly stating that He is God. This is not tradition. This is the Word of God. Think about this too. Their reaction was to stone Jesus for blasphemy because He dared to say that He was God, and they couldn't accept that. You are doing the same thing. No, you aren't actually picking up physical stones to throw at Jesus, but you are walking just as much in unbelief as they did. You are calling Jesus a liar every single time you teach that Jesus is anything less than God, and you have reduced him to the point where we can share His throne with Him and be Messiah along with Him. Jesus did not teach any of that. I agree with you about the need to live holy and be an overcomer, but you can live as holy as you like, but if you reject Jesus as God, you are lost. I don't say that because of hatred, but because I sincerely care.
You said that Candy hates you so much, she blocked your home IP Address. First of all, I don't believe anyone here hates you. Secondly, Candance did not block your home IP Address. I did. It wasn't because I hate you. It was because you were teaching that Jesus lied to us when He said He is I AM. I can't have a teacher here calling Jesus a liar. I don't think you understand the seriousness of this, and it is contrary to our Statement of Faith. If you were just here as a seeker and a member and not coming to us as a teacher, I would possibly have given you more latitude, even though your beliefs are contrary to our SOF, because I really don't like banning anyone, and you are only the second person I have had to block. The other one kept making false accusations and attacking us verbally, and left me no choice. I didn't want to have to block him. A lady that I considered a friend was defending your position that Jesus isn't God and I had to stop her from teaching. That was not easy to do, because we go back a ways. I certainly don't hate her. I wish that she could come to believe fully in Jesus, as I wish the same thing for you that you would both be saved.
The way I see this, you have some very mixed up views of what the Bible teaches. I suspect that someone you trust as a Bible teacher is the cause of some of the mix ups, and that you likely came to some false conclusions on your own as a result of your belief about Jesus not being God and your assumption that all who believe Jesus is God do so based on tradition. I would love to help you work through this, but God has to reveal the truth of who Jesus is to your heart, so all we can do is pray for you. I don't know if you come here because you feel isolated and want fellowship with believers or if you are frustrated that we reject your teachings or both. We are not shunning you as a person, but we are rejecting you as a Bible teacher. Until you come to understand who Jesus is, you cannot be born again, and you won't have the Spirit living on the inside to lead you into truth, so you will be looking at scripture with a carnal mind, and everything you teach will be off. Since I know you are still here, I will remember you in prayer, and ask that God the Father will reveal the truth to you about the Trinity and who Jesus is that you can be born again.
My only Teacher has been the Spirit of the Living God, and the Scripture confirms what He is unveiling to "those who have ears to hear what He is saying to the churches" in our day. My Lord is the Firstborn Son of God, the One who is subject to, and obedient to the Father. Indeed there is much confusion in the churches today, even among such good-hearted, well-intentioned folk such as many in this group. What sadden me is the refusal of such to accept the plain Word of God, and the very Words of Jesus Himself. Until the saints can begin to understand John 17, 1Cor 10 and Romans 8 in particular they will continue to miss that Way that Jesus walked. May the ears of all whom God has called to "come after" Jesus, hear and heed His voice. Amen.
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Post by John on Mar 29, 2020 6:04:50 GMT -5
There are a few things I wanted to say to you based on this post. Obviously, I know who you are based on these comments. Our differences have nothing to do with traditions of men. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be. The fact you keep saying that makes me wonder who filled your head with that? Do you have a Bible teacher that holds to the same doctrines you do that repeated that line, and told you that is the reason we believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is God? If that is the case, or even if it is not, that is wrong.
There are really two different issues here. We are Trinitarian, but we have a bigger and more serious conflict. I have a minister friend that doesn't believe in the Trinity, but he believes Jesus is God. His mix up is that he believes that Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that God came to us in the form of man as Jesus Christ. He believes that in heaven, the only one we will see is Jesus. This is a serious doctrinal flaw, and I can easily refute it, but he is not denying that Jesus Christ is I AM. I could much more easily longsuffer with his error than yours. You are saying that Jesus lied to us. I want you to think about this. John 8:58-59.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
I want you to think about something. Why were they taking up stones to cast at Jesus? It certainly wasn't because he said he was older than Abraham. It is because Jesus said that he was I AM. They all knew what he meant. They understood that he was referencing when God told Moses that His name was I AM. Jesus was clearly stating that He is God. This is not tradition. This is the Word of God. Think about this too. Their reaction was to stone Jesus for blasphemy because He dared to say that He was God, and they couldn't accept that. You are doing the same thing. No, you aren't actually picking up physical stones to throw at Jesus, but you are walking just as much in unbelief as they did. You are calling Jesus a liar every single time you teach that Jesus is anything less than God, and you have reduced him to the point where we can share His throne with Him and be Messiah along with Him. Jesus did not teach any of that. I agree with you about the need to live holy and be an overcomer, but you can live as holy as you like, but if you reject Jesus as God, you are lost. I don't say that because of hatred, but because I sincerely care.
You said that Candy hates you so much, she blocked your home IP Address. First of all, I don't believe anyone here hates you. Secondly, Candance did not block your home IP Address. I did. It wasn't because I hate you. It was because you were teaching that Jesus lied to us when He said He is I AM. I can't have a teacher here calling Jesus a liar. I don't think you understand the seriousness of this, and it is contrary to our Statement of Faith. If you were just here as a seeker and a member and not coming to us as a teacher, I would possibly have given you more latitude, even though your beliefs are contrary to our SOF, because I really don't like banning anyone, and you are only the second person I have had to block. The other one kept making false accusations and attacking us verbally, and left me no choice. I didn't want to have to block him. A lady that I considered a friend was defending your position that Jesus isn't God and I had to stop her from teaching. That was not easy to do, because we go back a ways. I certainly don't hate her. I wish that she could come to believe fully in Jesus, as I wish the same thing for you that you would both be saved.
The way I see this, you have some very mixed up views of what the Bible teaches. I suspect that someone you trust as a Bible teacher is the cause of some of the mix ups, and that you likely came to some false conclusions on your own as a result of your belief about Jesus not being God and your assumption that all who believe Jesus is God do so based on tradition. I would love to help you work through this, but God has to reveal the truth of who Jesus is to your heart, so all we can do is pray for you. I don't know if you come here because you feel isolated and want fellowship with believers or if you are frustrated that we reject your teachings or both. We are not shunning you as a person, but we are rejecting you as a Bible teacher. Until you come to understand who Jesus is, you cannot be born again, and you won't have the Spirit living on the inside to lead you into truth, so you will be looking at scripture with a carnal mind, and everything you teach will be off. Since I know you are still here, I will remember you in prayer, and ask that God the Father will reveal the truth to you about the Trinity and who Jesus is that you can be born again.
My only Teacher has been the Spirit of the Living God, and the Scripture confirms what He is unveiling to "those who have ears to hear what He is saying to the churches" in our day. My Lord is the Firstborn Son of God, the One who is subject to, and obedient to the Father. Indeed there is much confusion in the churches today, even among such good-hearted, well-intentioned folk such as many in this group. What sadden me is the refusal of such to accept the plain Word of God, and the very Words of Jesus Himself. Until the saints can begin to understand John 17, 1Cor 10 and Romans 8 in particular they will continue to miss that Way that Jesus walked. May the ears of all whom God has called to "come after" Jesus, hear and heed His voice. Amen. You are ignoring key scriptures in the Word of God that show that Jesus Christ is God. That is the problem. Jesus Christ is obedient to God the Father, just as my hands are obeying my head right now, but they are part of the same body. Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and God the Father are one. All 3 make up one God, just as a body is made up of more than one a member, yet it is one body. The head directs what the body does. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but He is also God.
I know that you feel you are being taught of the Spirit, but I know you did not come to your conclusions on your own, and they did not come from the Spirit. You clearly have human teachers that influenced you. They would be the ones you claim have ears to hear. You must have certain individuals in mind when you said that. You are not claiming to be the only one with your beliefs. Jesus Himself said that He is I AM. By doing that, Jesus is telling the world that He is God. Yes, the scripture confirms Jesus Christ is God. Why is it you do not believe Him?
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Cletus
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Post by Cletus on Mar 29, 2020 10:12:21 GMT -5
There are a few things I wanted to say to you based on this post. Obviously, I know who you are based on these comments. Our differences have nothing to do with traditions of men. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be. The fact you keep saying that makes me wonder who filled your head with that? Do you have a Bible teacher that holds to the same doctrines you do that repeated that line, and told you that is the reason we believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is God? If that is the case, or even if it is not, that is wrong.
There are really two different issues here. We are Trinitarian, but we have a bigger and more serious conflict. I have a minister friend that doesn't believe in the Trinity, but he believes Jesus is God. His mix up is that he believes that Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that God came to us in the form of man as Jesus Christ. He believes that in heaven, the only one we will see is Jesus. This is a serious doctrinal flaw, and I can easily refute it, but he is not denying that Jesus Christ is I AM. I could much more easily longsuffer with his error than yours. You are saying that Jesus lied to us. I want you to think about this. John 8:58-59.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
I want you to think about something. Why were they taking up stones to cast at Jesus? It certainly wasn't because he said he was older than Abraham. It is because Jesus said that he was I AM. They all knew what he meant. They understood that he was referencing when God told Moses that His name was I AM. Jesus was clearly stating that He is God. This is not tradition. This is the Word of God. Think about this too. Their reaction was to stone Jesus for blasphemy because He dared to say that He was God, and they couldn't accept that. You are doing the same thing. No, you aren't actually picking up physical stones to throw at Jesus, but you are walking just as much in unbelief as they did. You are calling Jesus a liar every single time you teach that Jesus is anything less than God, and you have reduced him to the point where we can share His throne with Him and be Messiah along with Him. Jesus did not teach any of that. I agree with you about the need to live holy and be an overcomer, but you can live as holy as you like, but if you reject Jesus as God, you are lost. I don't say that because of hatred, but because I sincerely care.
You said that Candy hates you so much, she blocked your home IP Address. First of all, I don't believe anyone here hates you. Secondly, Candance did not block your home IP Address. I did. It wasn't because I hate you. It was because you were teaching that Jesus lied to us when He said He is I AM. I can't have a teacher here calling Jesus a liar. I don't think you understand the seriousness of this, and it is contrary to our Statement of Faith. If you were just here as a seeker and a member and not coming to us as a teacher, I would possibly have given you more latitude, even though your beliefs are contrary to our SOF, because I really don't like banning anyone, and you are only the second person I have had to block. The other one kept making false accusations and attacking us verbally, and left me no choice. I didn't want to have to block him. A lady that I considered a friend was defending your position that Jesus isn't God and I had to stop her from teaching. That was not easy to do, because we go back a ways. I certainly don't hate her. I wish that she could come to believe fully in Jesus, as I wish the same thing for you that you would both be saved.
The way I see this, you have some very mixed up views of what the Bible teaches. I suspect that someone you trust as a Bible teacher is the cause of some of the mix ups, and that you likely came to some false conclusions on your own as a result of your belief about Jesus not being God and your assumption that all who believe Jesus is God do so based on tradition. I would love to help you work through this, but God has to reveal the truth of who Jesus is to your heart, so all we can do is pray for you. I don't know if you come here because you feel isolated and want fellowship with believers or if you are frustrated that we reject your teachings or both. We are not shunning you as a person, but we are rejecting you as a Bible teacher. Until you come to understand who Jesus is, you cannot be born again, and you won't have the Spirit living on the inside to lead you into truth, so you will be looking at scripture with a carnal mind, and everything you teach will be off. Since I know you are still here, I will remember you in prayer, and ask that God the Father will reveal the truth to you about the Trinity and who Jesus is that you can be born again.
My only Teacher has been the Spirit of the Living God, and the Scripture confirms what He is unveiling to "those who have ears to hear what He is saying to the churches" in our day. My Lord is the Firstborn Son of God, the One who is subject to, and obedient to the Father. Indeed there is much confusion in the churches today, even among such good-hearted, well-intentioned folk such as many in this group. What sadden me is the refusal of such to accept the plain Word of God, and the very Words of Jesus Himself. Until the saints can begin to understand John 17, 1Cor 10 and Romans 8 in particular they will continue to miss that Way that Jesus walked. May the ears of all whom God has called to "come after" Jesus, hear and heed His voice. Amen. if all you are going to offer is that many in this group are confused as to what scripture says even though we may be good hearted and well intentioned, that does not give much as to what it is people are confused about. i read the chapters you listed, and i do not see what i miss according to how Jesus walked. i have always advocated and encouraged others to get answers directly from God, and have done so in pursuing truth so i do not see how you have some knowledge that seems to be missed by "many here" and i would be so bold as to say people here do hear and heed His voice. so what is it that you claim we are missing out on? i would really like to know. i would also like to point out simple verses that is something that God quickened in me and also is used to preach the gospel to the lost as The Holy Spirit speaks thru my mouth... and i have no idea what i am going to say:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
after reviewing these scriptures, i think you are right as i really am confused at your words, perhaps you could shed some light on the meaning and the great mystery we good hearted and well intentioned folks here seem to be ignorant of.
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Post by joseph on Mar 29, 2020 10:42:35 GMT -5
The Woman Caught in Adultery …10Then Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers? Has no one condemned you?” 11“No one, Lord,” she answered. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Now go and sin no more.” 12Once again, Jesus spoke to the people and said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows Me will never walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.”… Berean Study Bible · Download
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