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Post by Giller on Sept 30, 2019 2:01:14 GMT -5
1Co 1:21 (21) For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Here it is really about a discussion about what God chose to use to bring people to salvation.
And I want to show contrasts between the way the so called churches seek to bring people to Christ vs what the bible says.
And things God can use, and cannot use, and what was the disciples' example and Christ's example?
Should be an interesting discussion, and who knows maybe, we can mention some of the works of the flesh, to show things that might go in that category, and some of the movements and so on.
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Post by John on Sept 30, 2019 4:35:30 GMT -5
If we were to admit that God's way of bringing people to saving faith was simply preaching the gospel, we wouldn't need all the church growth seminars and programs. How can we all get rich?
(Disclaimer: There may have been a bit of sarcasm in that post.)
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Post by Giller on Sept 30, 2019 11:56:22 GMT -5
Well we know that the seeker sensitive people, have many tactics to use, to so call bring people to Christ.
Some have coffee shops in their buildings were they have their services, some have banqueting in their services, some have gizmo lights to manipulate people's feelings and so on.
All in the name of bringing people to Christ, which is really not bringing people to Christ.
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Post by Giller on Sept 30, 2019 12:00:50 GMT -5
What is needed is for the power of God to be back on the scene, to were the word is preached in the power of the Spirit.
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Post by Giller on Sept 30, 2019 13:31:38 GMT -5
Of course God can speak to people in many ways even through creation science.
Psa 19:1 (1) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Someone can be looking at the sky or some animal, or whatever, and it can speak to them in the sense that they say to themselves there must be a God.
And also things like archaeology, and end time prophecy can also speak to people so to show that the bible is real.
So God can use these things, and does, but in the end it is the gospel that will actually save the person, but these things can be use to show people that the word of God is true.
And even with miracles, and healings, that can show to people that the bible is real and true.
There are real proofs to the gospel, and miracles and healings are part of Christ's ministry.
Anyhow God is good.
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Post by Giller on Oct 1, 2019 10:24:03 GMT -5
1Co 9:19-23 (19) For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. (20) And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; (21) To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. (22) To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. (23) And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
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Post by 777 on Oct 21, 2019 19:57:05 GMT -5
The message of the gospel is good news. When you read in the Bible, they just shared the message of salvation and people accepted or rejected it. Then they moved on to share the same message with others. There were not gimmicks or anything like that.
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Post by Giller on Oct 23, 2019 12:24:13 GMT -5
There is no gimmicks being promoted here.
And of course they shared the gospel with people.
It is all about pointing to Christ, but if you read some of Paul's examples, he many times used they own arguments against them, which is not wrong to do, even Jesus did so with the pharisees.
The bible also says this:
Pro 26:4-5 (4) Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. (5) Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Also even prophets warned of coming judgments.
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Post by Giller on Oct 23, 2019 12:32:37 GMT -5
We are a witness in many ways, through the preaching of the gospel, through what we stand on, through the lives we live etc, etc, etc.
What we need is to walk in the power of the Spirit, and to get know his leading better.
Even healings can speak to people, to show to them that the gospel is real, there is real evidence to the gospel.
The word of God, is not something we preach with no substance, it has substance to it, it really sets the captives free, and so on.
The word of God has so much substance, it can be proven in so many ways, such as archaeology, end time prophecy, creation science, people being set free, people being healed, miracles and so on, and so on, and so on.
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Post by solid on Oct 24, 2019 6:44:53 GMT -5
There is no gimmicks being promoted here. And of course they shared the gospel with people. It is all about pointing to Christ, but if you read some of Paul's examples, he many times used they own arguments against them, which is not wrong to do, even Jesus did so with the pharisees. The bible also says this: Pro 26:4-5 (4) Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. (5) Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. Also even prophets warned of coming judgments. That is what you have to do. They will say things they think prove them right but it is full of holes and contradictions. You have to turn it around on them.
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Post by Cletus on Oct 24, 2019 16:56:18 GMT -5
the gimmick is basically... how do we get them saved and keep them happy and coming back without telling them they have to repent?
Its the same gimmick since the garden. oh no... you wont die. you eyes will be opened.
also, i remember reading about Jesus flipping over some tables and cracking a whip because people turned His Father's house into a marketplace.
these people promoting gimmicks are only telling people apart of who God Is. I wonder if they even know He Is austere and that He reaps where He did not sow. that He will judge the wicked with a sentence of an everlasting torment.
we are supposed to learn of Him AND His ways. He Is The Way... and we have people perverting this with gimmicks. no wonder so many churches are dead. If you falsely represented me i would leave.
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Post by solid on Oct 26, 2019 5:01:34 GMT -5
the gimmick is basically... how do we get them saved and keep them happy and coming back without telling them they have to repent? Its the same gimmick since the garden. oh no... you wont die. you eyes will be opened. also, i remember reading about Jesus flipping over some tables and cracking a whip because people turned His Father's house into a marketplace. these people promoting gimmicks are only telling people apart of who God Is. I wonder if they even know He Is austere and that He reaps where He did not sow. that He will judge the wicked with a sentence of an everlasting torment. we are supposed to learn of Him AND His ways. He Is The Way... and we have people perverting this with gimmicks. no wonder so many churches are dead. If you falsely represented me i would leave. They want to escape hell without having to serve Jesus.
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Post by John on Oct 27, 2019 21:41:12 GMT -5
the gimmick is basically... how do we get them saved and keep them happy and coming back without telling them they have to repent? Its the same gimmick since the garden. oh no... you wont die. you eyes will be opened. also, i remember reading about Jesus flipping over some tables and cracking a whip because people turned His Father's house into a marketplace. these people promoting gimmicks are only telling people apart of who God Is. I wonder if they even know He Is austere and that He reaps where He did not sow. that He will judge the wicked with a sentence of an everlasting torment. we are supposed to learn of Him AND His ways. He Is The Way... and we have people perverting this with gimmicks. no wonder so many churches are dead. If you falsely represented me i would leave. They want to escape hell without having to serve Jesus. A lot of people want that, but it doesn't work that way.
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