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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2019 11:39:30 GMT -5
So if that is the case, that most churches will fall apart, and no longer be, then were does that leave this one world religion? And we know that people will be swept up, in one way or another into this one world religion.
We know that God is sending, and has sent a strong delusion so that people will believe a lie, and eventually worship the Antichrist.
And we know that the bible in the last days does not speak of a great revival, although I do believe that God is a God of revival and that revivals can still take place.
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2019 11:40:44 GMT -5
Lets forget about Millennials verses other Christians that left the church. I would be more interested in knowing what made long time church members leave the church. I am talking about faithful members of a church, the kind that were involved in ministry there, like teaching classes, driving the church van, people like that. Why did they leave? What were the complaints they had? I think we would do good to listen to them more than people that left because they say they could find God outside the church. What do they see as the problem with today's church?
Ya that would be interesting.
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2019 11:42:15 GMT -5
And also what is happening in the rest of the world, and not just in our neck of the woods, which really is just a small part of the world.
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Post by John on Oct 2, 2019 11:44:05 GMT -5
So if that is the case, that most churches will fall apart, and no longer be, then were does that leave this one world religion? And we know that people will be swept up, in one way or another into this one world religion. We know that God is sending, and has sent a strong delusion so that people will believe a lie, and eventually worship the Antichrist. And we know that the bible in the last days does not speak of a great revival, although I do believe that God is a God of revival and that revivals can still take place. They win if they scatter everyone or if they remain part of the one world state approved church. There will always remain some that remain in the system, and they are controlled. The disinterested and scattered will offer little resistance to the anti-Christ, especially when they are isolated from the rest of the body of Christ.
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2019 11:48:05 GMT -5
So if that is the case, that most churches will fall apart, and no longer be, then were does that leave this one world religion? And we know that people will be swept up, in one way or another into this one world religion. We know that God is sending, and has sent a strong delusion so that people will believe a lie, and eventually worship the Antichrist. And we know that the bible in the last days does not speak of a great revival, although I do believe that God is a God of revival and that revivals can still take place. They win if they scatter everyone or if they remain part of the one world state approved church. There will always remain some that remain in the system, and they are controlled. The disinterested and scattered will offer little resistance to the anti-Christ, especially when they are isolated from the rest of the body of Christ.
So would you say John that there will only be a certain amount of churches to remain open, just they will be government controlled?
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2019 11:51:18 GMT -5
And also I got to wonder, how many of the pastors are even aware of what is truly taking place?
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2019 11:53:26 GMT -5
Do you think they are trying to back church people into a corner, and have less of what they call churches, so it can be more easy to manage?
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Post by John on Oct 2, 2019 11:54:21 GMT -5
And also I got to wonder, how many of the pastors are even aware of what is truly taking place? I never considered this was a scheme to destroy the church, but it makes sense. I think there will be state approved congregations like they have in communist nations. Others will be illegal.
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Post by John on Oct 2, 2019 11:56:45 GMT -5
Do you think they are trying to back church people into a corner, and have less of what they call churches, so it can be more easy to manage? When most of the Christians don't go to any church, and have little or no interaction with other saints, it will be easier to control them.
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2019 11:58:22 GMT -5
And also I got to wonder, how many of the pastors are even aware of what is truly taking place? I never considered this was a scheme to destroy the church, but it makes sense. I think there will be state approved congregations like they have in communist nations. Others will be illegal.
So could communism be one of the many goals? And sooner or later once some of these things are established, could they go after the house churches? And disallow all house churches?
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2019 12:02:01 GMT -5
Do you think they are trying to back church people into a corner, and have less of what they call churches, so it can be more easy to manage? When most of the Christians don't go to any church, and have little or no interaction with other saints, it will be easier to control them.
This might be true, but sometimes God has a way of making things backfire, and he can potentially lead believers to find other believers. But I know that the less you are, the less of a threat you become to them, but we also know that it just takes one Christian that God can use to turn things right side up.
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Post by John on Oct 2, 2019 12:03:40 GMT -5
I never considered this was a scheme to destroy the church, but it makes sense. I think there will be state approved congregations like they have in communist nations. Others will be illegal.
So could communism be one of the many goals? And sooner or later once some of these things are established, could they go after the house churches? And disallow all house churches? Absolutely! People like George Soros could even be financing some of what we are seeing. I do believe house churches will become illegal, but I also think they are the future and home of the true church down the road. Internet churches will be shut down, and house churches will be our only option.
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2019 12:04:34 GMT -5
And we know that in the tribulation period, some will get saved and get martyred, and it seems it will happen at the very beginning.
So who knows what will happen in this side of the the track, all I do know is that the falling away will be greater than any revival, but at the same time revival is possible.
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Post by John on Oct 2, 2019 12:07:13 GMT -5
I don't know for sure what is motivating all of this, but we should consider the possibility that it could be that the ones behind the movement are about destroying the church.
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Post by PG4Him on Oct 2, 2019 12:09:18 GMT -5
John, the question you’re asking centers around the “Done” phenomenon. These are the mature Christians who realize the system has nothing to teach them. They get tired of the baby food, the shallow music, the tiresome programs, etc, and they just walk out. They’re the adults who would be most likely to join a forum like this. They love the Lord, but they’re “done” playing church.
Extensive research (by Barna and others) has been done all around this. Other common reasons for quitting include bullying, social cliques, lack of God’s presence, not being helped through a personal struggle, and bad or confusing theology.
When you read church leadership blogs on this topic, the leaders can’t see any good reason to quit church. They say you’re selfish for expecting a minister to call when you’re in the hospital. They say a little bullying is human nature, so you should grow up and deal with it. They say it’s a sign of pride when you claim to know the Bible as well as your pastor. I’m not exaggerating. They seriously tell their members to give money into a black hole, put up with being bullied, don’t ask to lead anything, wear ear plugs during the music, and never, ever tell a pastor his sermon was incorrect.
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