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Post by Giller on Oct 4, 2019 0:40:02 GMT -5
This thread concerns the issue of worship and praise.
There are many things said about this issue, but I really want to, as much as possible to focus on it, in the realm of what the bible says.
The bible says this:
Col 3:16 (16) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Eph 5:19 (19) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Some may have their preferences, but psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs are good according to God, but of course they have to be scriptural and so forth.
God himself shows no preference of the 3.
He just really wants our worship, and praises.
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Post by Giller on Oct 4, 2019 1:08:09 GMT -5
In some of my posts, in this thread, I will show some examples of psalms, and what the word says.
And how we take things at times.
We have to be very careful how we take things, and it is important to look into what the word says, because sometimes it can surprise you, and may change your opinion at times.
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Post by Giller on Oct 7, 2019 13:41:39 GMT -5
Now here is a psalm, and the chapter starts like this:
Psa 19:1 (1) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Now the definition and Hebrew word for the word psalm here, is as follows:
(Strong's concordance)
(H4210
מִזְמוֹר
mizmôr
miz-more'
From H2167; properly instrumental music; by implication a poem set to notes: - psalm.
Total KJV occurrences: 57)
And today there has been a song made with these next verses:
Psa 19:7-8 (7) The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. (8) The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Now here is another psalm:
Psa 43:1-5 (1) Judge me, O God, and plead my cause against an ungodly nation: O deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man. (2) For thou art the God of my strength: why dost thou cast me off? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the enemy? (3) O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles. (4) Then will I go unto the altar of God, unto God my exceeding joy: yea, upon the harp will I praise thee, O God my God. (5) Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God.
And then today there are songs with the name of Jesus in it, such as "oh the blood of Jesus".
In fact many times when the word salvation is mentioned under old covenant times, it is the word Yeshua which points to Jesus or it is the name of Jesus in Hebrew.
So we see examples here of songs with just the word Lord, or the word God, and and example of the name of Jesus in a song.
Now I do agree that many songs these days tend to eliminate the name of Jesus in it more and more and that it self is not good, but in and of itself, whether just the word Lord, God, or Jesus appears, none are wrong.
The focus is who are you singing your song to, because you can mention the words Lord, God, and Jesus and be singing your song to another Lord, another god, or another Jesus.
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Post by Giller on Oct 8, 2019 12:12:34 GMT -5
We need discernment in all things, including music, and just because someone mentions the name Jesus in a song, does not necessarily mean that this person is automatically thinking of the Jesus of the bible when they sing their song.
Discernment has to be beyond just mere words.
2Co 11:4 (4) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Some might be thinking of the prosperity gospel Jesus when they sing their song, and then there is people like David Koresh who called himself Jesus, some might be associating some man who calls himself Jesus when they mention the name of Jesus.
So discernment has to be beyond this.
The word of God says this:
Mat 7:15-16 (15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
In the end, God always reveals what kind of fruit it is.
Whether good fruit or bad fruit.
Remember it says ye shall know them by their fruits, and not by necessarily the words they say.
Although words do have their importance in one way or another.
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Post by Giller on Oct 8, 2019 12:41:37 GMT -5
There are times to were we may be rightfully discerning a different spirit in some of what is called Christian music, and as a result we are grieved about it, it may also irritate us, or bug us in some form.
But there may be other times we are just simply irritated because the name of Jesus is not in the song, which we have shown by examples in the psalms that the name of Jesus does not always have to be in every song.
So irritability does not always automatically equal discernment.
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Post by John on Oct 8, 2019 16:22:05 GMT -5
We need discernment in all things, including music, and just because someone mentions the name Jesus in a song, does not necessarily mean that this person is automatically thinking of the Jesus of the bible when they sing their song. Discernment has to be beyond just mere words. 2Co 11:4 (4) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Some might be thinking of the prosperity gospel Jesus when they sing their song, and then there is people like David Koresh who called himself Jesus, some might be associating some man who calls himself Jesus when they mention the name of Jesus. So discernment has to be beyond this. The word of God says this: Mat 7:15-16 (15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? In the end, God always reveals what kind of fruit it is. Whether good fruit or bad fruit. Remember it says ye shall know them by their fruits, and not by necessarily the words they say. Although words do have their importance in one way or another. When a person speaks of Jesus, preaches a sermon about Jesus, anything, you can't tell immediately if it is the Jesus of the Bible till you hear what they are saying about Him. You may never be sure if they really know the Lord. When it comes to songs in a worship service, there is still nothing like the old hymns.
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Post by frienduff on Oct 9, 2019 6:02:50 GMT -5
We got a massive problem today . And it was at work in the days of paul and HE EXPOSED it , while many today no longer do and go right with the flow . And that is this , IF one comes preaching another JESUS , or if you receive another spirit which ye had not received or another gospel YE JUST GO WITH THE FLOW and BEAR IT .
a number of folks so high now teach many other versions of JESUS , of another gospel , and follow a strange spirit and folks just sit under it and hoop holler and praise it .
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Post by John on Oct 9, 2019 6:58:00 GMT -5
We got a massive problem today . And it was at work in the days of paul and HE EXPOSED it , while many today no longer do and go right with the flow . And that is this , IF one comes preaching another JESUS , or if you receive another spirit which ye had not received or another gospel YE JUST GO WITH THE FLOW and BEAR IT . a number of folks so high now teach many other versions of JESUS , of another gospel , and follow a strange spirit and folks just sit under it and hoop holler and praise it . There is an easy way to recognize a false Jesus. Does he match up with the Jesus of the Bible, and I don't mean in isolated verses, but everything he said and did.
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Post by Giller on Oct 9, 2019 9:41:12 GMT -5
We need discernment in all things, including music, and just because someone mentions the name Jesus in a song, does not necessarily mean that this person is automatically thinking of the Jesus of the bible when they sing their song. Discernment has to be beyond just mere words. 2Co 11:4 (4) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Some might be thinking of the prosperity gospel Jesus when they sing their song, and then there is people like David Koresh who called himself Jesus, some might be associating some man who calls himself Jesus when they mention the name of Jesus. So discernment has to be beyond this. The word of God says this: Mat 7:15-16 (15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? In the end, God always reveals what kind of fruit it is. Whether good fruit or bad fruit. Remember it says ye shall know them by their fruits, and not by necessarily the words they say. Although words do have their importance in one way or another. When a person speaks of Jesus, preaches a sermon about Jesus, anything, you can't tell immediately if it is the Jesus of the Bible till you hear what they are saying about Him. You may never be sure if they really know the Lord. When it comes to songs in a worship service, there is still nothing like the old hymns.
Oh to me also I love the old hymns, but in this thread I am focusing on all that God says is right in his site, which he mentions hymns, spiritual songs and psalms. For myself i do not want to show a preference between these, just want to accept them all, and I am not saying you do not, just saying. And to me I see nothing wrong with choruses, as long as it is scriptural. In fact in hymns, there is a verse part and a chorus. And some things music wise are easier to discern than other things, in some instances I find it is easy to discern, but in other instances, some things are harder to discern, but in the end, God always shows what kind of fruit it is, he does expose it. I do not think anyone of us is 100% accurate in discerning all that is in music, but we can all get better at it. So we have to be careful discernment wise, because sometimes we can claim something to be wrong when it is not, and of course there are times we may think something is right when it is not. We have to be careful that we do not try to discern things by the flesh, in what pleases us, rather than what pleases God. Just saying this in a general way, because I see things via discernment in these things done either in a fleshy way, or in a truly godly spiritual way. As one preacher said it, not to discern flesh for flesh.
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Post by Giller on Oct 9, 2019 9:47:05 GMT -5
And trust me irritability itself, is not always a sign of discernment, for there are people in church circles who get irritated if the carpet in the building is blue.
We have to search our hearts to see why we are irritated.
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Post by John on Oct 9, 2019 10:05:18 GMT -5
And trust me irritability itself, is not always a sign of discernment, for there are people in church circles who get irritated if the carpet in the building is blue. We have to search our hearts to see why we are irritated. There is a difference in natural ability to discern something and spiritual discernment. We can make mistakes in the natural.
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Post by Giller on Oct 9, 2019 13:33:07 GMT -5
Another area I want to get into, in this worship stuff, is how the word of God sometimes gets misused in some of the worship songs, or how some have nothing to do with scripture at all.
And even in some hymns, there are some that can be not scriptural at times, or at least not using the word properly.
So I will let people comment in giving examples of this, God bless.
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Post by PG4Him on Oct 9, 2019 13:50:55 GMT -5
“Swing low sweet chariot coming forth to carry me home...” Elijah didn’t leave in the chariot.
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Post by John on Oct 9, 2019 17:38:57 GMT -5
“Swing low sweet chariot coming forth to carry me home...” Elijah didn’t leave in the chariot. This comes from 2 Kings 2:11.
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
It says Elijah went up in a whirlwind, but it also mentions a chariot and horses of fire. I suppose that the belief is that he rode in the chariot and went up by a whirlwind. The chariot had some purpose for being there. Still, I do see your point.
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Post by Giller on Oct 10, 2019 0:59:09 GMT -5
Here is just some of the lyrics of this so called Christian (hard rock) band called Skillet which is horrible, and there is nothing about God, and victory in God and so on in it.
The song is called "Hero":
"I'm just a step away I'm just a breath away Losin' my faith today (Fallin' off the edge today)
I am just a man Not superhuman (I'm not superhuman) Someone save me from the hate
It's just another war Just another family torn (Falling from my faith today) Just a step from the edge Just another day in the world we live
I need a hero to save me now I need a hero (save me now) I need a hero to save my life A hero'll save me (just in time)
I've gotta fight today To live another day Speakin' my mind today (My voice will be heard today)..."
Nothing about reverence towards God, or the building up of one's faith, just a pointless, useless song.
Nothing biblical about it.
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