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Post by Giller on Nov 19, 2019 9:55:52 GMT -5
Fake healing like that is knowingly deceiving the people.
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Post by Giller on Nov 19, 2019 9:58:48 GMT -5
And at this meeting, near the end of it, the man that was preaching which his last name was Smith, was speaking in tongues, but you can tell it was not through the Holy Spirit, even my friend found their was an evil presence when he spoke in tongues, and it was full of anger, an evil anger, and it was not of God at all.
It was not tongues of God, nor done in the way the Spirit of God truly moves.
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Post by John on Nov 19, 2019 10:10:19 GMT -5
And at this meeting, near the end of it, the man that was preaching which his last name was Smith, was speaking in tongues, but you can tell it was not through the Holy Spirit, even my friend found their was an evil presence when he spoke in tongues, and it was full of anger, an evil anger, and it was not of God at all. It was not tongues of God, nor done in the way the Spirit of God truly moves. Being an eyewitness would have to give you a different perspective.
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Post by Giller on Nov 19, 2019 11:00:06 GMT -5
I just finished watching a video concerning many leg growing stuff from Todd White.
There are tons of examples actually.
Here is a video on this stuff, I would agree on a fair chunk of what is said, but not so sure about every thing, but seeing this leg growing stuff in person, I know it is fake.
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Post by Giller on Nov 19, 2019 11:39:27 GMT -5
It is obvious that this leg growing stuff has become a way or format for leg growing.
It is popular in charismatic circles, and even in some cases prosperity gospel people.
It makes me wonder, were do they learn these methods, what type of schools, (some have so called healing schools) , because it is obvious that they are learning it from somewhere, and why having to spread the legs in such a way, why not just leave them strait?
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Post by John on Nov 19, 2019 19:58:48 GMT -5
The only caution I would give here is that God often does things in an unorthodox manner. Naaman was upset because of the way God chose to offer to heal him, dipping in the Jordan 7 times, when Naaman thought that unnecessary. I have one leg slightly longer than the other, which is obvious to me when I am standing still, but it doesn't cause me difficulty walking or anything like that. I think it is very common that this is the case, and they do say it can cause some level of discomfort.
When it comes to healing services of any kind, I know there are fakes, with people planted in the audience, just as I know that you can talk a sick person into believing they are healed when they are not, but I am very careful about calling anyone fake unless there is proof. If you can show that people in the audience were plants, then we know the person is a fake, but I don't go by just the appearance of how they do things unless it is something so ridiculous, we know God can't be in it.
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Post by Giller on Nov 20, 2019 11:08:19 GMT -5
Even though there is examples in the bible of things done in an unorthodox way, every time God healed someone or got them to do so in a different way, there was always a purpose to it, and it was never formed into a movement were you always have to do so that way.
But here to me it is very obvious, especially seeing it in person, that it is fake, now can God grow a leg, and take away pain, yes, but here there are turning the legs side ways, and then move them slowly together, that is not an healing, anyone can do this, if they know how to make it look like the leg is growing, it can be done by anyone, to me it is so easy to see, and to me this is ridiculous.
Now can there be real healings happening among some of these people, it is very possible, but for the most part it would be because simply people are putting their faith in God to be healed.
And often times they create an atmosphere to were people get feelings, which can deceive them and make them think this or that.
I am very careful how I judge things as well.
And in the bible say when Naman came out of the water or Jesus spit in the sand and put it on the guys eyes, it was obvious they were healed, no one had to tell them that they were, there was no guessing games.
I have went to a Copeland meeting one time, to were they purposely lied to the people, and my pastor at the time discerned it, and said what was going to transpire before it happened, and he seen people flashing a lite in the background, which most people were paying attention to the front, and he mentioned how they were going to say an angel is here, and that is what happened, and there was no purpose to the angel appearing.
And later when I used to receive the Copeland magazine, they mentioned how in that meeting that a great lite appeared and an angel appeared.
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Post by Giller on Nov 20, 2019 11:13:02 GMT -5
And with Naaman, what he had to do tried his faith.
But this leg growing stuff, is something anyone can do, as long as you can do it well.
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Post by Giller on Nov 20, 2019 11:17:35 GMT -5
The funny thing is, it seems that most who practice this stuff, are associated somehow with either prosperity preachers like Copeland, or Bethel, or some charismatic movement or seeker sensitive assembly.
Many of them do not preach on repentance.
I do not know how many of them, but I have noticed that many of them do not preach on repentance.
Many preach a seeker sensitive gospel.
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Post by Giller on Nov 20, 2019 11:20:30 GMT -5
I see no examples of Jesus or any of the disciples having to move feet in a certain way until they align, but rather they just laid hands on the sick and people got healed, there was no guessing games.
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Post by John on Nov 20, 2019 11:22:03 GMT -5
And with Naaman, what he had to do tried his faith. But this leg growing stuff, is something anyone can do, as long as you can do it well. So it is really an illusion, a magician's trick?
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Post by Giller on Nov 20, 2019 11:44:58 GMT -5
And with Naaman, what he had to do tried his faith. But this leg growing stuff, is something anyone can do, as long as you can do it well. So it is really an illusion, a magician's trick?
I would say pretty much, in fact I think that guy in that video or some other video, mentions that it is a well known trick. In fact the meeting I went to, which I did not want to go, but my friend convinced me, it was held in a prosperity gospel church. I would love to ask Todd White some questions so to see what he would say, but he is very hard to contact. Can some practice this leg growing technique doing so innocently? I do not know, but I have a hard time seeing how it can done in an unknowing way, since it seems to be a learnt technique. I would like to know were they are learning this technique, and if they honestly would mention the source. Then that could tell us even more.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 20, 2019 13:39:56 GMT -5
I didn't see the leg growing videos, but how do you know they were fake?
Well I seen it done the same exact way in person, and I observed it, and also the atmosphere in that meeting that I went to was not good at all, you could feel evil in that place. And they purposely place the feet in a specific way, and then bring them together as if they grew, and it has become it seems a format of doing things. Giller your discernment IS SPOT ON RIGHT . I KNOW this tatic . I told you all long ago that I was an most evil man filled full of darkness. And I told you all , I done things that would make most men cringe . I have to confess a past sin in order to bring light to what is going on . I was called and considered by some a prophet , EVEN by two of the women who I had dated . Because with pin point accuracy I could predict what would occur before it occurred . I had dreams and visions even that came to pass . I KNOW I hate it now , and I know I am forgiven of all that . Even the two women that marveled at how I had warned them what would come from their own decision , these two women were wives of other men , I WAS SLEEPING WITH . NO WAY was I a prophet , well a false one , but not a true one . YET I could predict with great accuracy , with great precision things that would come to pass . And this foot tatic thing , This longer leg thing , IT IS A SHAM . ITS A SHAM . THEY POSITION the legs , ALWAYS NOTICE the hips , its hard to see in any kind of baggy clothing IN fact it can be so easily done that unless the clothes are ultra skin TIGHT you cant even notice the position of the hips . I can sit down in a chair RIGHT NOW and prove this . THEY CHARLATONS and do these things for the camera and eyes of men , THEY DO DECIEVE , YOU, AND I GOTTA SAY , BY GRACE and ALONE , BY SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT ALONE GOD gave you the discerning of spirits and you knew it was evil . TODD WHITE is a charlatan , but I say this not because of signs and wonders , but the very fruit of who he supports SHOWS IT TO BE TRUE . THERE has been confirmation upon confirmation concerning the very fruit of this man . NOW I want us to take heed to what I first began to say in my message . NOTICE that folks that hung around me and knew me , THOUGHT I was some kind of prophet because my predictions were so darn accurate . Best guess , IF I said it about ninety five percent of the time it came to pass . AND YET these charlatons got us believing that a true prophet is about seventy percent right , HECK I WAS OF SATAN and my predictions were WAY HIGHER THAN THAT . GET THE HECK AWAY EVERYONE from these liars and men of belial . NOT ONLY Does the dream or vision have to be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT to be of GOD . SO DOES THE FRUIT have to PROVE they of GOD . MY FRUIT was dead and rotted , I hung around with all sorts of dangerous folks , THAT ALONE should have been discernment enough to prove me false , but my predictions were stunningly accuate too . BUT EVEN GOD says , IF EVEN THE VISION or dream DOES COME TO PASS , WATCHOUT , I do this to test YOU , to see whether YOU LOVE ME with the whole heart . THESE are chameleons , who have become enamored with the signs and wonders , STEAD OF WITH GOD and its no marvle they have been delieverd over unto the last and final end time delusion .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 20, 2019 13:47:05 GMT -5
It would be easy enough to fake something like that, unless one leg was a lot longer than the other one. If you saw this up close and in person, and how they were doing it, that is all I was wondering about. Fake healings is a big deal.
And my friend's daughter's leg were not that much different than each other, possibly just to say it was just, but she walked normal, and it is said that one of our legs tend to be just a tad longer for some reason. What they do is put the feet together, then they moved them side ways, then slowly move them and bring them back together again, and the way they move the legs, and bring them back together again, makes it appear to have grown, yet many of these people do not have a problem with their leg, it seems to be a scheme, so to show some type of so-called miracle for the sake of it. If God is truly growing a leg, don't you think that you can leave the leg alone, and it will grow right in front of you without having to spread them apart, and then moving them aside, then slowing moving them back in their same position? BIG alert and warning . THIS IS the kind of stuff that TODD WHITE , focuses on . WHO WANTS TO SEE A REAL LIVE DOCUMENTED LAME MAN WALK . I AINT EVER SEEN THIS from that man . INSTEAD he focuses on healings that can be MANIPULATED . BIG RED FLAG . BIG RED FLAG . HUGE RED FLAG . Not to mention the other few healings I have seen . WHY wont these men , IF THEY SO called the real deal , ever once heal a man sick of ebola , real signs and wonders REALLY DO HEAL and it don't PICK tatics that can easily be manipulated . THESE charlatons are fake . And to boot , THEY TIED INTO THIS UNITY MOVE .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 20, 2019 13:55:23 GMT -5
And at this meeting, near the end of it, the man that was preaching which his last name was Smith, was speaking in tongues, but you can tell it was not through the Holy Spirit, even my friend found their was an evil presence when he spoke in tongues, and it was full of anger, an evil anger, and it was not of God at all. It was not tongues of God, nor done in the way the Spirit of God truly moves. Being an eyewitness would have to give you a different perspective.
NOT if you don't know what to look for . FOR SOME reason the LORD is bringing back to my memory some of the most evil stuff I did and others I hung around with did . I hung around magicians in the marine corpse . THIS IS EASILY DECEPTIVE HUGE . I truly believe the reason GOD gave me the remembrance of some of the great evil I did and others I knew did , WAS TO EXPOSE this charlatan for what it is . I mean , I done brought solid proof of his connection TO KENNETH and yet its being overlooked as not a big deal , GOD has said , JESUS has said , and in even revelations it has been said , DECIEVERS DECIEVE through signs and wonders . ANd folks hung up on this are gonna buy it . Our hang up HAS TO BE ON JESUS and SOUND DOCTRINE . And I know the gifts are real , but if our hang up , our ministry is focused more so on the signs and wonders , WE IN BIG TIME TROUBLE and JESUS KNEW IT . HE had given them power to cast out demons , A BEAUTIFUL and wonderful GIFT , YET THEY became enamoured with the GIFT and JESUS SHUT IT DOWN . These satanic nar folks and many others have become enamoured with the signs and wonders , AND NOT ON JESUS and HIS EVERY WORD . And they are receiving the payment of delusion which leadeth to the second death . Lest repentance be made of course . We got lambs , we got babes , we got folks that visit here . AND WE GOTTA DO ALL to put the focus ON JESUS above all , on sound doctrine above all . THEN let the real signs and wonders take place . DO NOT build a ministry on signs and wonders or its doomed . BUILD IT ON JESUS and SOUND DOCTRINE , putting the focus on us as humble , ON HIM and the rest will follow .
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