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Post by frienduff on Nov 20, 2019 14:00:21 GMT -5
It is obvious that this leg growing stuff has become a way or format for leg growing. It is popular in charismatic circles, and even in some cases prosperity gospel people. It makes me wonder, were do they learn these methods, what type of schools, (some have so called healing schools) , because it is obvious that they are learning it from somewhere, and why having to spread the legs in such a way, why not just leave them strait? FROM MAGICIANS GILLER . ITS WHERE I LEARNED SOME STUFF TOO . I would sit and marvel at the things some of my well known friends in the marines COULD DO . EVENKNOWING It was a trick of the eye , ONE WOULD STAGGER backwards with how real it can appear . Folks hung on signs and wonders , GONNA BE DECIEVED . FOLKS HUNG ON JESUS and SOUND DOCTRINE , HE KEEPS SAFE .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 20, 2019 14:03:40 GMT -5
The funny thing is, it seems that most who practice this stuff, are associated somehow with either prosperity preachers like Copeland, or Bethel, or some charismatic movement or seeker sensitive assembly. Many of them do not preach on repentance. I do not know how many of them, but I have noticed that many of them do not preach on repentance. Many preach a seeker sensitive gospel. EXACTLY . LOOK at who they support and hang around , THIS has been my plea . SPOT ON ACCURATE .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 20, 2019 14:07:47 GMT -5
I see no examples of Jesus or any of the disciples having to move feet in a certain way until they align, but rather they just laid hands on the sick and people got healed, there was no guessing games. GILLER the very same thing came to mind . They did not have to make a person sit a certain way or etc . ITS ALL A SIDE SHOW . They said simply ARISE IN THE NAME OF JESUS and THEY DID and were healed . A side show is as a side show does . Its meant only to enamour the person involved and the persons around what is going on . TODD has shown his fruit , even besides all this tatic stuff . THE MAN with tears of joy like a slobbering teen age girl over a prom queen , SAID THIS IS MY DADDY < HEAR YE HIM HE IS MY SPIRITUAL FATHER AND MENTOR , HE is the one I followed since first saved . NOW TELL ME THAT AINT NO RED FLAG .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 20, 2019 14:10:07 GMT -5
Look , I am gonna do something . And if it costs me to be outcast and hated by even those I love dearly , at least when I stand before MY LORD and MY GOD I did at least that much right . These are highly dangerous men and women in this movment and the love of CHRIST compels we warn NO matter what the cost is .
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 20, 2019 14:45:42 GMT -5
Apparently I will never cease to rue the day I inadvertently said the words Todd White in a passing reference in the shoutbox. Not a day goes by that I don’t come here to be reminded of him. I’m scared to say anything else in public here. Shall I confess being tempted with a sin? Shall I admit I’m confused about a Bible verse? No. It will be scorched earth in the forums for a month.
I don’t feel safe to say anything potentially embarrassing here. And I don’t want to be in any more live events that get interrupted to talk about the war on Rome.
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Post by Giller on Nov 20, 2019 14:48:02 GMT -5
One thing also that concerns me about Todd, is I seen certain mentions in videos of him saying things strange about repentance and the cross, and he does not mention repentance much among people, I do not know if he mentions it at all (not sure).
I know this makes me think of the seeker sensitive churches and Joel Osteen.
Apparently many seeker sensitive churches which was mentioned on a program that I was watching today ,are growing in a big way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 15:04:54 GMT -5
The things and miracles that Jesus did were for the Father's glory.....Jesus wasn't seeking glory for Himself and eschewed and fled from the limelight whenever possible. So whenever we see all the Christian celebrity and grandstanding of miracles etc...that in itself shows that it is false. Most of us are just so used to western Christianity Hollywood style, and really haven't had the opportunity to see it being done right, so it takes a while to get recalibrated to the simple humble ways of our Lord.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 17:31:14 GMT -5
Apparently I will never cease to rue the day I inadvertently said the words Todd White in a passing reference in the shoutbox. Not a day goes by that I don’t come here to be reminded of him. I’m scared to say anything else in public here. Shall I confess being tempted with a sin? Shall I admit I’m confused about a Bible verse? No. It will be scorched earth in the forums for a month. I don’t feel safe to say anything potentially embarrassing here. And I don’t want to be in any more live events that get interrupted to talk about the war on Rome. I dont' know what was said in any initial conversation about Todd White, sister.....but I don't believe it's right to be made to feel the way you are describing.
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Post by John on Nov 20, 2019 17:45:23 GMT -5
Apparently I will never cease to rue the day I inadvertently said the words Todd White in a passing reference in the shoutbox. Not a day goes by that I don’t come here to be reminded of him. I’m scared to say anything else in public here. Shall I confess being tempted with a sin? Shall I admit I’m confused about a Bible verse? No. It will be scorched earth in the forums for a month. I don’t feel safe to say anything potentially embarrassing here. And I don’t want to be in any more live events that get interrupted to talk about the war on Rome. I don't understand the need for the overkill here. We all got it. We know how some feel about the connection between Todd White and Kenneth Copeland. We all saw that video. Beating a dead horse and repeating the same thing over and over and over again won't change anything. We all see the importance of this different. We are all different people that think for ourselves, and we don't always agree on all points, and likely never will.
Here is how I look at the connection issue. It matters, but it is not so damning that I am willing to condemn Todd White because at some time in the past, he called Kenneth Copeland his mentor. There are any number of reasons why he could have done this besides believing everything Kenneth Copeland says. Maybe Kenneth Copeland did play a role in his getting saved. Maybe Kenneth Copeland is an old friend of his and he was being kind in one of his services? I have been in services with my old Pastor who I have profound differences of opinion with, and he said nice things about me and I said nice things about him out of common courtesy. It doesn't change the fact I don't preach his doctrine and he doesn't preach my doctrine.
A lot of people desire to see Catholics saved, including me. I would love to see a revival in the RCC, but when I say that, I don't mean unifying with that mess. I mean I want to see people saved to the point where they have to come out from it. On the other hand, some people really don't know all that the RCC teaches, or how dangerous it is. If you haven't investigated it thoroughly, you wouldn't necessarily know. As I stated, there was a time when I investigated it with the thought of possibly joining them because I saw the mess in the Protestant churches today, and hadn't really looked at the RCC under a microscope. Once I did spend time really listening to them, I knew there was no way I could be part of the RCC. Just because most of the Protestant churches have gone wrong, that doesn't mean we need to return to the Catholic Church, as they are into worse heresies. I am not going to condemn a preacher based only on a "hit piece" video like was presented from YouTube.
I know that healings can be faked. I know there are preachers out there that are total phonies. I know it is possible Todd White could be a phony. Still, I am cautious about labeling someone before I have spent time really looking into their ministry. I haven't done that with Todd White. I haven't even heard him preach a single message, and all that this Todd White attack is doing is forcing me to have to go and listen to him to see for myself. In other words, this is someone I likely would never have given the time of day to simply because my life is too busy and I have other ministers I would likely have listened to before him, but now I am going to have to listen to him to see what is really going on. What is taking place here is becoming a witch hunt. Now at least with Giller, he has witnessed the leg growing live. That is more than I have done. Has anyone else witnessed Todd White's ministry in person? Has anyone else listened to Todd White preach a single message? He may be the devil himself, but has anyone besides Giller done anything more than come to their opinion based on a couple of YouTube videos? At least take time to do a serious look into someone before you bash them.
For the time being, I am simply cautious about Todd White. I saw enough to be careful because connections to Copeland and the RCC were shown, but that is it. Until I investigate him further, that is all I will be is cautious. I find the constant attack on what was said in the Shoutbox way over the top! Nobody should have to be done like Candance was, when she didn't do anything more than tell me she likes this guy's messages because he preaches holiness. I do agree with those who say a Prophet must be right all the time, but even on that, it isn't right to beat up someone for something they said in a live conversation. That is not the same as posting it in the forums and teaching it. It was a fellowship meeting. It wasn't someone telling everyone that it is Biblical for prophets to have a learning curve. She was sharing an opinion. So for all of this attack on Todd White that has been going on for weeks based on a visitor reading a comment by Candance, I am neutral on the guy till I see his ministry for myself. I am cautious, but I am that way towards everyone. I give no endorsements to any minister until I have listened to them for a very long time and know they are sound.
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Post by John on Nov 20, 2019 17:51:10 GMT -5
Apparently I will never cease to rue the day I inadvertently said the words Todd White in a passing reference in the shoutbox. Not a day goes by that I don’t come here to be reminded of him. I’m scared to say anything else in public here. Shall I confess being tempted with a sin? Shall I admit I’m confused about a Bible verse? No. It will be scorched earth in the forums for a month. I don’t feel safe to say anything potentially embarrassing here. And I don’t want to be in any more live events that get interrupted to talk about the war on Rome. I dont' know what was said in any initial conversation about Todd White, sister.....but I don't believe it's right to be made to feel the way you are describing. I am saddened by this. All that happened was we were having our weekly Fellowship Meeting in the live chat, and Candance mentioned in passing that she watched certain ministers on YouTube. One she mentioned was Todd White. We have a person who is not even a member who took that comment, copied it, took it to someone in leadership here, and now we are getting non-stop attacks on Todd White and how awful he is. How many warnings do we need to hear? I have been trying to put a stop to this because I don't want people on pins and needles over every word they say in the Shoutbox, especially worrying about visitors spying on them. It isn't right! I am taking no stand on Todd White himself. I haven't ever seen his messages, and it is not fair to bash someone I haven't even given a fair hearing to based on a YouTube hit piece, but I do see what is happening to Candance as wrong, and I don't want to see anyone done that way in the name of correction. This could have easily been handled in private in a personal message, and with a one time warning.
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Post by John on Nov 20, 2019 17:53:45 GMT -5
One thing also that concerns me about Todd, is I seen certain mentions in videos of him saying things strange about repentance and the cross, and he does not mention repentance much among people, I do not know if he mentions it at all (not sure). I know this makes me think of the seeker sensitive churches and Joel Osteen. Apparently many seeker sensitive churches which was mentioned on a program that I was watching today ,are growing in a big way. Giller, since you have taken the time to listen to him preach, and are not just going by YouTube attack videos, I do give weight to what you say. I am just going to have to make time to listen to Todd White. I have no other choice, so I can make an honest evaluation of him based on facts.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 20, 2019 20:06:26 GMT -5
Apparently I will never cease to rue the day I inadvertently said the words Todd White in a passing reference in the shoutbox. Not a day goes by that I don’t come here to be reminded of him. I’m scared to say anything else in public here. Shall I confess being tempted with a sin? Shall I admit I’m confused about a Bible verse? No. It will be scorched earth in the forums for a month. I don’t feel safe to say anything potentially embarrassing here. And I don’t want to be in any more live events that get interrupted to talk about the war on Rome. I dont' know what was said in any initial conversation about Todd White, sister.....but I don't believe it's right to be made to feel the way you are describing. NO one accused anyone . Butero warned me about three hearts , I did not let my feelings take it all personal like it was an attack . This has never been an attack . THAT Man is a charlatan and I will expose him . BUT this is not me thinking candance is or anyone else is . If we start getting feelings hurt because one loves and sees dangers in something we made mention of , THEN we gonna shut down any kind of correction . The man is a danger and I will not cease to warn against him . If folks don't like this , THEN armour up and have me leave . In fact , I am seriously thinking about this and have been . So , I will pray about this and if that unction remains I will leave . I mean I did what I could out of love and not accusation . Nor do I say this lightly I have honestly been seriously considering leaving here . And I don't think anyone is false , but I will have to pray first one more time .
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Post by John on Nov 20, 2019 21:08:49 GMT -5
I knew you were considering leaving here based on something you said in another post. Nobody is promoting Todd White here. Nobody has been promoting Todd White here. There are hundreds of false teachers out there, but based on one comment Candance made to me in chat, you are spending all your time attacking Todd White. Why aren't you going after all the other false ones and naming them? This is clearly a result of one comment that was made, and there is such a thing as overkill. Nobody is being prevented from posting warnings about false teachers, but how many warnings do we need saying the same thing about a single teacher you see as false? It has become all Todd White all the time. That is not a coincidence. What is the correction? There isn't a single thread here linking us to a Todd White video. There isn't a single thread here promoting Todd White's ministry. Who is being corrected? Again, I have no problem with giving warnings about false teachers. I have a problem with how a single comment in chat was blown out of proportion, and I question who is being corrected? The person who made the comment was Candance, so is she being corrected? What is her transgression? Telling me someone she watched on YouTube? How much correction does that require, and what is she supposed to do about it, write a public apology?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 21:36:48 GMT -5
I dont' know what was said in any initial conversation about Todd White, sister.....but I don't believe it's right to be made to feel the way you are describing. NO one accused anyone . Butero warned me about three hearts , I did not let my feelings take it all personal like it was an attack . This has never been an attack . THAT Man is a charlatan and I will expose him . BUT this is not me thinking candance is or anyone else is . If we start getting feelings hurt because one loves and sees dangers in something we made mention of , THEN we gonna shut down any kind of correction . The man is a danger and I will not cease to warn against him . If folks don't like this , THEN armour up and have me leave . In fact , I am seriously thinking about this and have been . So , I will pray about this and if that unction remains I will leave . I mean I did what I could out of love and not accusation . Nor do I say this lightly I have honestly been seriously considering leaving here . And I don't think anyone is false , but I will have to pray first one more time .
Brother, I haven't heard you accuse anyone here, and I agree with you that Todd White is someone who should be avoided. It's just that I'm not sure it's necessary to make anyone feel like they are being nailed to the wall and embarrassed....I know what that feels like and I'm not sure that is of the Lord. Maybe it comes from pressing the point harder than a person needs, or that the situation calls for. There are lots of ministers who are false, but once in a while they can still give a true teaching on something, and it doesn't have to mean a person is actually 'following' that teacher and swallowing the whole ministry hook, line and sinker, just that they happened upon some particular teaching that happened to be good and so were edified by it. That happens to me once in a while, I will happen upon something and be quite edified by a portion of it, even though I wouldn't endorse or follow their whole ministry. By all means if anyone knows a teacher is false they should warn and present their discernments etc, but at the same time I believe the Lord needs to left some room, and each person needs space and autonomy to form their own conclusions between themselves and the Lord. I dont' know what all has been discussed between everyone here on this, and hope I'm not sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, but those are just my thoughts.
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Post by John on Nov 20, 2019 22:01:19 GMT -5
NO one accused anyone . Butero warned me about three hearts , I did not let my feelings take it all personal like it was an attack . This has never been an attack . THAT Man is a charlatan and I will expose him . BUT this is not me thinking candance is or anyone else is . If we start getting feelings hurt because one loves and sees dangers in something we made mention of , THEN we gonna shut down any kind of correction . The man is a danger and I will not cease to warn against him . If folks don't like this , THEN armour up and have me leave . In fact , I am seriously thinking about this and have been . So , I will pray about this and if that unction remains I will leave . I mean I did what I could out of love and not accusation . Nor do I say this lightly I have honestly been seriously considering leaving here . And I don't think anyone is false , but I will have to pray first one more time .
Brother, I haven't heard you accuse anyone here, and I agree with you that Todd White is someone who should be avoided. It's just that I'm not sure it's necessary to make anyone feel like they are being nailed to the wall and embarrassed....I know what that feels like and I'm not sure that is of the Lord. Maybe it comes from pressing the point harder than a person needs, or that the situation calls for. There are lots of ministers who are false, but once in a while they can still give a true teaching on something, and it doesn't have to mean a person is actually 'following' that teacher and swallowing the whole ministry hook, line and sinker, just that they happened upon some particular teaching that happened to be good and so were edified by it. That happens to me once in a while, I will happen upon something and be quite edified by a portion of it, even though I wouldn't endorse or follow their whole ministry. By all means if anyone knows a teacher is false they should warn and present their discernments etc, but at the same time I believe the Lord needs to left some room, and each person needs space and autonomy to form their own conclusions between themselves and the Lord. I dont' know what all has been discussed between everyone here on this, and hope I'm not sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, but those are just my thoughts. I feel much the same way you do on this. I am not in any way opposed to exposing false teachers. I have also come across good teaching by people that I can't endorse fully, like Myles Munroe. He is great on some things and way off on others. There are other ministers I really don't have enough information on to have formed an absolute opinion. I hadn't even heard of Todd White till recently, so I am not a supporter of his. I am cautious about him based on what Giller has seen first hand and the connections to Kenneth Copeland, but that is about it.
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