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Post by Sister on May 29, 2018 18:23:25 GMT -5
tlstd
In a court of law when someone is accused, do we just throw them in prison without any evidence, or do we present our case? And then if you do present your case, would you just lock them up and flee, giving them no opportunity to defend themselves? No you give them a chance to defend themselves. Sometimes a matter can go on for a bit, just like a court case until you get to the bottom of it. If both parties disagree at the end of it, then you can walk away. The onus is on the accuser to carry what what he started, and to act accordingly and fairly. We as Christians should lead by example, for righteousness is of the Kingdom of God. There is a right way to go about a matter and a wrong way, and if any one of us accuse another of being confused, false or misleading the others, then that is a very strong accusation and not a light matter, especially in the house of the Lord.
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Post by tlsitd on May 29, 2018 19:32:49 GMT -5
tlstd In a court of law when someone is accused, do we just throw them in prison without any evidence, or do we present our case? And then if you do present your case, would you just lock them up and flee, giving them no opportunity to defend themselves? No you give them a chance to defend themselves. Sometimes a matter can go on for a bit, just like a court case until you get to the bottom of it. If both parties disagree at the end of it, then you can walk away. The onus is on the accuser to carry what what he started, and to act accordingly and fairly. We as Christians should lead by example, for righteousness is of the Kingdom of God. There is a right way to go about a matter and a wrong way, and if any one of us accuse another of being confused, false or misleading the others, then that is a very strong accusation and not a light matter, especially in the house of the Lord. I'm not going to do it, Sister. Perhaps I shouldn't have said anything at all about the post. It wasn't a personal insult, just a factual statement, based on what I know to be correct. People accuse me of posting error, and sometimes I provide them with explanations, and other times I say nothing, or just tell them that it is up to the Lord to show them whether what I have said is correct or not (which it is, up to Him) or that the truth will prove itself in time. Not everyone on this forum may agree with everything in your OP; they just didn't say anything. Maybe they disagree, maybe they agree, maybe they don't know what is correct and what isn't. But it's up to them to find out, with the help of the Lord---as much as it may be important for them to know---just as it is with what I share. I don't fret over people not agreeing with me or accusing me of being deceived or a liar or whatever. I don't think you should either. You shared what you believe to be correct, I stated that what you posted contained error, which I know to be so. Maybe I should have just said, 'I disagree', but I doubt that would have turned out any better. Anyway, don't take it as an insult, because it wasn't intended to be. I'm sure you know from my posts, if you've read them, that we are not in agreement about a number of things concerning prophecy and probably other things doctrinally. We could go back and forth for months about many topics I'm sure, but I have no desire to do so. And I don't know how to address a single error in this OP without being drawn into a long debate about not only that thing but all the things that relate to it, which I'm sure you would then want to debate and provide me with a lot of 'proof' to support a position that I already know to be incorrect and which would not change my mind on the matter (not because I am proud, but because Scriptural truth is objective and two opposing points of view cannot both be right, and if one party is trying to prove something that the other party already knows to be error, it's futile. This is the case with various false doctrines that people hold and use Scripture to support. It's the same sort of a deal; a futile debate. The Scriptures alone won't settle the matter; the Holy Spirit has to.) Besides my not being convinced of it being the Lord's will for me to engage in such a debate, I do not believe it would be beneficial to the spirit of the forum for me to do so---something I probably should have considered before I made my original comment. Now what I may do is list the main or important errors in your OP with some support, so that you and others will know why I said what I said, and let you and others do what you will with it, so that you and they will know why I disagree with those points. (I addressed one on your 7 year trib thread.) I think I would be comfortable with doing that; I'll have to see. But if I do it, it won't be an invitation to debate with you about it; I'll simply make the points and leave it at that. If you or others want to compare what I post with your position in the OP on your own or discuss it with each other that's fine, but I'm not going to engage in a long debate with you about many things that you're not going to agree with because you have a very different belief about the end-times events and the prophetic scriptures than myself, which I already know. I'm only going to state what I know to be correct and what is incorrect about the OP according to the same knowledge, and let you and others who may desire to do so find out who is correct. This is a tentative proposal. I'm going to give it some more thought and prayer before I make a decision.
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Post by Sister on May 29, 2018 20:47:44 GMT -5
tlstd In a court of law when someone is accused, do we just throw them in prison without any evidence, or do we present our case? And then if you do present your case, would you just lock them up and flee, giving them no opportunity to defend themselves? No you give them a chance to defend themselves. Sometimes a matter can go on for a bit, just like a court case until you get to the bottom of it. If both parties disagree at the end of it, then you can walk away. The onus is on the accuser to carry what what he started, and to act accordingly and fairly. We as Christians should lead by example, for righteousness is of the Kingdom of God. There is a right way to go about a matter and a wrong way, and if any one of us accuse another of being confused, false or misleading the others, then that is a very strong accusation and not a light matter, especially in the house of the Lord. I'm not going to do it, Sister. Perhaps I shouldn't have said anything at all about the post. It wasn't a personal insult, just a factual statement, based on what I know to be correct. tlsd You are doing it again. You say you made a factual statement based on what you know to be correct? You've played judge and jury here alone which is the point I am trying to make. What if God has made both our paths cross because he wants to correct you on YOUR doctrine, have you thought about that? Maybe you missed something yourself, and he wants to fine tune you, and sends someone like me to shake your foundations so you can see how strong it is? That is always possible sister. He works in mysterious ways because of his love for us. There is a spirit of truth and a spirit of error. You claim you have the spirit of truth and I the spirit of error, so lets test it and examine ourselves. What's the problem with that? Both of us love and live for the Lord, both love truth, but the difference is one has been brought up in a church or family environment, being taught a doctrine already set out and passed down, and the other had no involvement with any establishment, and had to find her own way going straight to the source direct without any outside influence, trusting the Shepherd solely who is the Word of God which left his word for us in print to seek all his treasures. I take it seriously when someone accuses me of being confused and confusing the others. That implies that I am spreading a false doctrine, and I don't take this lightly, no matter how nice you put it into words. Yes I am slowly finding that out, which I didn't realise before. I saw some of your video's and I really liked the first 6 or so, and then I came to your definition of what Babylon is, and I thought to myself, she's genuine, she really loves the Lord, but has gone wrong here, Lord please show her. You had such an impact on me. I didn't watch all your video's, but contacted you privately on Worthy telling you I thought you were of the little flock, and cunningly tested you on something small to see if you knew what I was speaking about, but you didn't, so I wanted to get more acquainted with you before I would even attempt to show you, but you took the reigns and said if there was anything I wanted to know, just ask, and naturally presumed that I was the one who needed help, and that's ok, maybe I came across that way. My speech is not as eloquent as yours. But today we end up here butting heads, and I believe my prayer is still being answered for this opportunity. Just remember, I didn't write the scriptures. His words are not mine. My interpretation is mine, and whether he gave that to me or not can only be confirmed or denied through a discussion or debate in what we present whether it holds water or not. If a debate is done with love, with no insults, between two sisters, there is nothing wrong with it. As long as it is done properly and we don't bring out all our treasures in one go turning it into a mass of confusion, but addressing one point at a time and sticking to that point. I know that one precept leads to another, and another, and another, but that should slowly happen when we build up our case heading for the conclusion. I know it's tiring, but you may see something you havn't seen explained in a certain way before, and so might I. Ok, you don't want to go there, but if you change your mind, I am always willing. We will just have to present our cases in our own posts and can read each other's without dialogue if that's what you want and see if we get anything out of it. Ok, however you want to do it. The ball is in your court. I still love you sister, no matter what.
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