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Post by John on Dec 12, 2019 5:42:10 GMT -5
We have a person that was banned, but comes here and reads on occasion, I am writing this to, but it is really for anyone that doubts that the Bible says Jesus Christ is God. I want you all to look at what this scripture says and ponder it, as it is clearly speaking of Jesus Christ.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. Isaiah 9:6,7
This should end the controversy forever. Look at what the Bible says Jesus Christ shall be called:
1 Wonderful 2 Counsellor 3 The Mighty God 4 The everlasting Father 5 The Prince of Peace
If Jesus shall be called, "The Mighty God," this shows He is God! Let that sink in to anyone who has any doubt. Jesus said that he and the Father are one, and it says here Jesus Christ shall be called, "The everlasting Father." The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is a mystery, and it is not easy for us to wrap our minds around it sometimes, how there can be one God existing in three persons, but that is the truth, but even if you don't want to accept the concept of the Trinity, there should be no debate that if you believe the Bible, you have to accept that Jesus Christ is "The Mighty God." Jesus himself said that he is "I AM." I pray that God will make this clear to everyone, so you can believe and truly be saved.
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Post by Jesus Christ teachings on Dec 12, 2019 5:44:54 GMT -5
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 7:06:47 GMT -5
I don't know what everybody's understanding is about Jesus here.......John wrote "the Word was God" and I think no one would disagree that God wouldn't have us put our faith in a mere man, no matter how holy he is. Jesus didn't need to be born again, because He was and is no mere man. No, our faith is in God....faith is not of our own but is of Him and TO Him and THROUGH Him. And it says all over the old testament that God is Saviour. Sometimes we may know the truth in our heart, but our mind can lead us astray if we are relying on it overmuch, instead of on God's Spirit who speaks to us heart to heart, not mind to mind per se. We need the mind of Christ and follow the spirit rather than our own carnal mind which can't perceive things of the spirit.
We need to become a fool in order to be wise, similar to how we need to become as children......realizing our need and lack and thus relying on the Lord. These scriptures are not to condemn the believer but to help us:
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
Having begun in the spirit we are not now going to be made perfect through our own intelligence. But rather the more we come to the end of our own selves the more we will be Helped by the Helper.
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Post by solid on Dec 12, 2019 7:15:15 GMT -5
I don't know what everybody's understanding is about Jesus here.......John wrote "the Word was God" and I think no one would disagree that God wouldn't have us put our faith in a mere man, no matter how holy he is. Jesus didn't need to be born again, because He was and is no mere man. No, our faith is in God....faith is not of our own but is of Him and TO Him and THROUGH Him. And it says all over the old testament that God is Saviour. Sometimes we may know the truth in our heart, but our mind can lead us astray if we are relying on it overmuch, instead of on God's Spirit who speaks to us heart to heart, not mind to mind per se. We need the mind of Christ and follow the spirit rather than our own carnal mind which can't perceive things of the spirit. We need to become a fool in order to be wise, similar to how we need to become as children......realizing our need and lack and thus relying on the Lord. These scriptures are not to condemn the believer but to help us: 1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? Having begun in the spirit we are not now going to be made perfect through our own intelligence. But rather the more we come to the end of our own selves the more we will be Helped by the Helper. It is possible to interpret the Bible using the carnal mind and ever learn but never understand.
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Post by solid on Dec 12, 2019 7:16:18 GMT -5
The Bible does make it clear that Jesus Christ is God.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 7:25:16 GMT -5
I don't know what everybody's understanding is about Jesus here.......John wrote "the Word was God" and I think no one would disagree that God wouldn't have us put our faith in a mere man, no matter how holy he is. Jesus didn't need to be born again, because He was and is no mere man. No, our faith is in God....faith is not of our own but is of Him and TO Him and THROUGH Him. And it says all over the old testament that God is Saviour. Sometimes we may know the truth in our heart, but our mind can lead us astray if we are relying on it overmuch, instead of on God's Spirit who speaks to us heart to heart, not mind to mind per se. We need the mind of Christ and follow the spirit rather than our own carnal mind which can't perceive things of the spirit. We need to become a fool in order to be wise, similar to how we need to become as children......realizing our need and lack and thus relying on the Lord. These scriptures are not to condemn the believer but to help us: 1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? Having begun in the spirit we are not now going to be made perfect through our own intelligence. But rather the more we come to the end of our own selves the more we will be Helped by the Helper. It is possible to interpret the Bible using the carnal mind and ever learn but never understand. AMEN!
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Post by 2fw8212a on Dec 14, 2019 9:46:16 GMT -5
Even with proofs one can know only if it is revealed to them.
“...no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know
the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” - Matthew 11:27
This is something we have to understand.
Blessings!
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Post by frienduff on Dec 14, 2019 9:59:07 GMT -5
Even with proofs one can know only if it is revealed to them.
“...no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know
the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” - Matthew 11:27
This is something we have to understand.
Blessings! Marvel not , for no man can come to ME , lest the Father draw Him . And sheep heed the voice of JESUS , feeding on the pure green biblical truth of His pasture . Hands up , letters , hands up and rejoice in the LORD .
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Post by John on Dec 15, 2019 7:59:44 GMT -5
Even with proofs one can know only if it is revealed to them.
“...no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know
the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” - Matthew 11:27
This is something we have to understand.
Blessings! That is true, because a person may not believe what the scripture says, but if you really believe the Bible is God's Word, I don't know how you could deny that Jesus is God based on the passage I posted in the OP. You would have to take the position that you don't care what it says, you still don't believe.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 15, 2019 9:54:43 GMT -5
Even with proofs one can know only if it is revealed to them.
“...no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know
the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” - Matthew 11:27
This is something we have to understand.
Blessings! That is true, because a person may not believe what the scripture says, but if you really believe the Bible is God's Word, I don't know how you could deny that Jesus is God based on the passage I posted in the OP. You would have to take the position that you don't care what it says, you still don't believe.
This sure does apply to all things our LORD did say and teach . I have that same question to all those men and women who try and teach contrary to JESUS own words . A huge example and a deadly one , is this big lie that has been building . HOW can any lamb truly born of JESUS , who truly loves Him , turn and around and willfully omit the fact HE said YE MUST BELEIVE IN ME or BE DAMNED . Yet more and more folks are joining the inclusive band wagon that even if folks don't know JESUS , but they have love , then somehow they are following Him . They apply this to atheists and other religions too . But lambs WOULD KNOW with all out certaintitiy from fully persuaded minds , NOPE this is dead wrong . For all those other mindsets , DENY JESUS , they don't even profess HIM as LORD they follow no god or they follow other false religions . NOW HOW can they BE SAVED just cause they got what appears to the sensual mind as love and good works . What a sham . and what a shame that more and more do teach and imply this and worse masses are really starting to believe it . Masses in christanity . Lambs love truth , not lies . Even if they don't understand yet , THEY don't love lies , they would perceive SOMETHING is all wrong about this . FOR JESUS has the lambs and HE WILL NOT let them sit under or have real true peace in the middle of any lie .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 15, 2019 10:00:32 GMT -5
And an example , of what I mentioned above , concering this topic is this . Even as a babe I DID NOT understand at all the God head . Yet even though I did not understand or grasp it , ANY TIME one came hollering JESUS IS NOT GOD , I HAD ZERO PEACE and felt this was wrong . Because scriptures had said otherwise . And in time I was given a good enough understanding of this , to know and have a clearer understanding . JESUS Kept me safe from fables , even when I did not understand . But one thing I knew instant , THAT JESUS was the ONLY SAVOIR and we had to confess him and truly believe in HIM in order to be saved . THAT I knew instant , and only learned it in much greater depths as some time went on . I truly don't believe a true conversion truly is , UNLESS ONE BELIEVES WITH THE WHOLE HEART JESUS IS LORD . But I guess phillip knew that too . Cause the eunach even asked what does HINDER me to be baptized . AND PHILLIP said , IF IF IFIF YOU BELEIVE with all your heart ......................YE MAY be baptized . I think we have had many false conversions and thus its why so many cannot even see nor discern in these days .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 15, 2019 10:03:24 GMT -5
A hint , if ya coming to JESUS for ya best life now , THAT IS NO REAL CONVERSION . If ya coming to JESUS cause ya envy those rich men ya sit under , THAT IS NO REAL CONVERSION . IF ya coming to JESUS for any other reason than you know you in dire need of a savoir and only JESUS saves , then its all the wrong reasons and the converions , ARE NOT GENUINE . If ya coming to JESUS for money or ya best life , JESUS aint your god , MONEY and pleasures in life ARE .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 15, 2019 10:06:29 GMT -5
THIS Is why its so dire important to teach THE GOSPLE TO ALL . and I mean the real life saving , life changing gospel of JESUS CHRIST . I don't think I have heard the true gospel , let alone good sound edifying doctrine , in mainline churches for years upon years . Its all either a social gospel , inclusive gospel or a ya best life gospel . All are deadly and all lead unto the second death . ONLY JESUS SAVES , SO PREACH THAT GOSPLE and do so as did the true apostles and as did CHRIST HIMSELF . EXPOSE THE SIN AND ERROR and POINT TO THE ONE WHO can save and change us .
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Post by solid on Dec 16, 2019 7:49:25 GMT -5
Even with proofs one can know only if it is revealed to them.
“...no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know
the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” - Matthew 11:27
This is something we have to understand.
Blessings! That is true, because a person may not believe what the scripture says, but if you really believe the Bible is God's Word, I don't know how you could deny that Jesus is God based on the passage I posted in the OP. You would have to take the position that you don't care what it says, you still don't believe.
I agree. It says plainly that Jesus is God.
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Post by 777 on Dec 16, 2019 9:18:46 GMT -5
Matthew 1:23 says, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." Jesus Christ is God!
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