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Post by John on Dec 28, 2019 18:57:18 GMT -5
We are connected to Jesus. There is no question that is true, but I am speaking of the tree of life that Adam and Eve were cut off from to where they could not continue to eat and live forever. That access was taken away from them as a result of the fall, and to this day, nobody knows where the tree is located, or has access to it's fruit. If we did, we could eat of it and live forever, without ever experiencing physical death. There is a difference is that tree of life and being connected to the vine.
There is a false doctrine that is being spread, mostly by feminists, where they claim that wives are no longer under subjection to their husbands because the curse was supposedly done away with through faith in Christ. The problem is, they only point to a couple of examples to show that while ignoring other things. They like to claim that because of advances in medicine, women no longer have pain in childbearing. This was the first time I have heard someone take that to the next level and claim women don't have to experience physical pain during child birth without meds if they believe. That is clearly not true of most women. There are women who still die in childbearing.
Men still have to earn a living by the sweat of their brow, but there are exceptions. Some work in an air conditioned office and some men are wealthy and do not have to work. That doesn't mean the curse is gone. Many men are still working by the sweat of the brow. Before the fall, things came easy, but not today. Ever hear of farmers losing their crops because of foul weather or bug infestation? The spin would be to point out the exceptions and claim that is proof the curse is lifted.
People still get sick and die. That is the result of the fall. The spin is that some are healed and a handful of dead people have been raised, but if the curse was lifted, no Christian would ever get sick and die. You see how this works. It is spin. It is feminist false doctrine. It is every bit as false and dangerous as any other false doctrine that has infiltrated the Christian church. It has been just as destructive as the all inclusive lie and OSAS. It is just a different false doctrine, and its main objective is to defend rebellion in the home. Most men are too afraid to speak out against it for fear of the backlash, so it is allowed to continue to spread. It is easier to walk on pins and needles worrying that you might be seen as a chauvinist or misogynist or any other derogatory name feminists created, than to make waves and expose the heresy. I have witnessed the harm that has come from being silent about it, both to children and to the family.
Are people really teaching that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 7:09:29 GMT -5
Pro 3:13-18
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
Wise unto salvation. It's sad that some here don't believe they have eternal life.
Some more scriptures to ponder:
Eph 1:22
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church
Heb 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
And also:
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Post by John on Dec 29, 2019 9:06:43 GMT -5
Pro 3:13-18
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
Wise unto salvation. It's sad that some here don't believe they have eternal life. Some more scriptures to ponder: Eph 1:22
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church
Heb 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
And also: Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
When the Bible says that in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female, it only means that everyone is equally saved. It has nothing to do with our status in the natural. Those who are servants are still servants. Those who are Greeks in the natural still are Greeks in the natural. Those who are Jews in the natural are still Jews in the natural. Those who are men didn't suddenly cease to be men and women didn't cease to be women. What you posted is pure spin, and there is no way you could have said those things by accident or misunderstanding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 10:53:33 GMT -5
Pro 3:13-18
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
Wise unto salvation. It's sad that some here don't believe they have eternal life. Some more scriptures to ponder: Eph 1:22
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church
Heb 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
And also: Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
When the Bible says that in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female, it only means that everyone is equally saved. It has nothing to do with our status in the natural. Those who are servants are still servants. Those who are Greeks in the natural still are Greeks in the natural. Those who are Jews in the natural are still Jews in the natural. Those who are men didn't suddenly cease to be men and women didn't cease to be women. What you posted is pure spin, and there is no way you could have said those things by accident or misunderstanding.
Tongue in cheek brother, to make a point. If you have eternal life, then you must be eating of the Tree of Life. Something else to ponder......not everyone will even have to taste death. Sure sounds to me like Jesus undid the curse. The curse of death that God put on mankind is the last enemy to be destroyed.....and Jesus overcame it when He rose from the dead. It HAS BEEN PUT UNDER HIS FEET....though we do not yet "see" all things put under His feet. Rom 5:12-18
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
1Co 15:20-22
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
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Post by John on Dec 29, 2019 11:01:51 GMT -5
Some do not believe they have eternal life? Is this for real??? We all recognize we have eternal life, but our fleshly bodies do not live forever. If we had access to the tree of life, our physical bodies would never get sick and die.
When the Bible says that in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female, it only means that everyone is equally saved. It has nothing to do with our status in the natural. Those who are servants are still servants. Those who are Greeks in the natural still are Greeks in the natural. Those who are Jews in the natural are still Jews in the natural. Those who are men didn't suddenly cease to be men and women didn't cease to be women. What you posted is pure spin, and there is no way you could have said those things by accident or misunderstanding.
Tongue in cheek brother, to make a point. If you have eternal life, then you must be eating of the Tree of Life. Something else to ponder......not everyone will even have to taste death. Sure sounds to me like Jesus undid the curse. The curse of death that God put on mankind is the last enemy to be destroyed.....and Jesus overcame it when He rose from the dead. It HAS BEEN PUT UNDER HIS FEET....though we do not yet "see" all things put under His feet. Rom 5:12-18
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
1Co 15:20-22
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 11:05:54 GMT -5
Looking at this curse again:
Gen 3:16
To the woman He said:
“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
In pain you shall bring forth children;
Your desire shall be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”
Do we really think the CURSES that came about through the FALL and that came upon FALLEN man, and which we see is the situation that still exists among the heathen is the same thing as the BLESSING of submission and headship that is being spoken of by Paul which is a picture of the BLESSING of Christ and the church?
A spiritually mature Christian man does not "rule over" his wife....that is, he does not subjugate and exercise authority upon her like the fallen heathen do (law of the jungle...the strong ruling & exploiting the weaker). And a spiritually mature woman's desire is no longer for her husband..that is she does not "need" his approval and attention, since she does all as unto the Lord.
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Post by John on Dec 29, 2019 11:13:36 GMT -5
Looking at this curse again: Gen 3:16
To the woman He said:
“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
In pain you shall bring forth children;
Your desire shall be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”
Do we really think the CURSES that came about through the FALL and that came upon FALLEN man, and which we see is the situation that still exists among the heathen is the same thing as the BLESSING of submission and headship that is being spoken of by Paul which is a picture of the BLESSING of Christ and the church? A spiritually mature Christian man does not "rule over" his wife....that is, he does not subjugate and exercise authority upon her like the fallen heathen do (law of the jungle...the strong ruling & exploiting the weaker). And a spiritually mature woman's desire is no longer for her husband..that is she does not "need" his approval and attention, since she does all as unto the Lord.
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Post by John on Dec 29, 2019 11:15:57 GMT -5
In addition to what I said, if we really were partaking of the tree of life, we wouldn't show signs of aging. We would be eternally as we were in our youth.
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Post by solid on Dec 29, 2019 11:31:57 GMT -5
In addition to what I said, if we really were partaking of the tree of life, we wouldn't show signs of aging. We would be eternally as we were in our youth.
I agree, but it would be nice if we could partake of that tree and remain young forever. I never heard that doctrine before! The earth is groaning because of the curse. |
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Post by John on Dec 29, 2019 11:39:13 GMT -5
In addition to what I said, if we really were partaking of the tree of life, we wouldn't show signs of aging. We would be eternally as we were in our youth.
I agree, but it would be nice if we could partake of that tree and remain young forever. I never heard that doctrine before! The earth is groaning because of the curse.
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Post by solid on Dec 29, 2019 11:43:20 GMT -5
I agree, but it would be nice if we could partake of that tree and remain young forever. I never heard that doctrine before! The earth is groaning because of the curse.
Maybe so, but we all suffer the effects of the curse. I am not physically like I was at 20. I agree with what 2fw said, but what Watchful said makes no sense. |
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Post by John on Dec 29, 2019 11:48:33 GMT -5
Satan needed to find a way to merge feminism with Christianity, and to do that, he had to make a lot of Old and New Testament teachings of no effect, so he came up with this. In all fairness, there are so many scriptures showing that the husband is to rule over his wife, there was no way around it that wouldn't be full of holes.
Maybe so, but we all suffer the effects of the curse. I am not physically like I was at 20. I agree with what 2fw said, but what Watchful said makes no sense.
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Post by solid on Dec 29, 2019 11:53:06 GMT -5
Maybe so, but we all suffer the effects of the curse. I am not physically like I was at 20. I agree with what 2fw said, but what Watchful said makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 11:53:10 GMT -5
In addition to what I said, if we really were partaking of the tree of life, we wouldn't show signs of aging. We would be eternally as we were in our youth.
I agree, but it would be nice if we could partake of that tree and remain young forever. I never heard that doctrine before! The earth is groaning because of the curse. Yes because we do not yet "see" everything put under His feet....even though everything HAS BEEN put under His feet. Kind of like...do you believe you are seated in heavenly places with Christ...? Wait, what...? How can that be since I am sitting on this chair here in my dining room? And the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world....but how can that be since He wasn't slain until only about 2000 years ago? So we need to ask God for understanding of these kinds of things. No, the law of the jungle is exactly what we see in the fallen world that is under the wrath of God....under the curse.....fallen. This should not be the case with those who have been translated out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. The husband is to love his wife as Christ loves the church, ie, sacrificially, while the woman is to respect her husband's headship and follow his leading. Sin, sickness, oppression, death...all because of the curse of the fall.....but Jesus went around HEALING ALL who were sick and oppressed as well as RAISING THE DEAD. So clearly He had authority to undo the curses of the fall....it is why He came....to destroy the works of the devil. Jesus doesn't force His rule over anyone....no, our submission to Him as our Head is voluntary, otherwise it is not HIS gospel we are obeying but Phariseeical religion. His ways are not man's ways....they are not the ways of this fallen world and flesh. |
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Post by solid on Dec 29, 2019 12:03:26 GMT -5
I agree, but it would be nice if we could partake of that tree and remain young forever. I never heard that doctrine before! The earth is groaning because of the curse. Yes because we do not yet "see" everything put under His feet....even though everything HAS BEEN put under His feet. Kind of like...do you believe you are seated in heavenly places with Christ...? Wait, what...? How can that be since I am sitting on this chair here in my dining room? And the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world....but how can that be since He wasn't slain until only about 2000 years ago? So we need to ask God for understanding of these kinds of things. No, the law of the jungle is exactly what we see in the fallen world that is under the wrath of God....under the curse.....fallen. This should not be the case with those who have been translated out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. The husband is to love his wife as Christ loves the church, ie, sacrificially, while the woman is to respect her husband's headship and follow his leading. Sin, sickness, oppression, death...all because of the curse of the fall.....but Jesus went around HEALING ALL who were sick and oppressed as well as RAISING THE DEAD. So clearly He had authority to undo the curses of the fall....it is why He came....to destroy the works of the devil. Jesus doesn't force His rule over anyone....no, our submission to Him as our Head is voluntary, otherwise it is not HIS gospel we are obeying but Phariseeical religion. His ways are not man's ways....they are not the ways of this fallen world and flesh. In the meantime, we are still under the curse. If we don't obey Jesus, we are chastised, which is being told to obey or else. |
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