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Post by John on Dec 28, 2019 20:35:30 GMT -5
I want to take a moment to welcome a new member, Omegaman3.0. I am happy you decided to join us here! Make yourself at home. As a member of Narrow Way Forums, you are part of our family.
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Post by John on Dec 28, 2019 20:50:37 GMT -5
When you get a chance, be sure to introduce yourself to everyone.
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Post by solid on Dec 28, 2019 20:53:17 GMT -5
Welcome!
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Post by 777 on Dec 28, 2019 21:23:46 GMT -5
Hello and welcome Omegaman 3.0! It is great to see you here.
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Post by 4hizglory37 on Dec 29, 2019 0:41:11 GMT -5
Hello Omegaman! welcome!
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Post by Omegaman 3.0 on Dec 31, 2019 13:16:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcomes. I should probably introduce myself, though some of you know me a little. I am 69 years old, male, live in southern California. I am widowed, have 5 adult kids. I have been a Christian since the late 70s, before that I was briefly an agnostic and before that an aethiest. Politically I am a conservative. Regarding my faith, I regart myself there as a conservative evangelical Christian. I do not claim a denominational affiliation, but I attend and serve at an independant baptist church. I am an administrator at Worthy Christrian Forums, and I am aware than many here are not fond of how we do some things there. Not making a thing of that, but just thought some of you should know that about me. If there is something else you want to know about me, feel free to ask! I see quite a few familiar names here, so hi to you (and to all really). I will get this one thing out in the open. Unlike some people here who are also members at WCF, I am not on a mission to save anyone here from the errors of their doctrines, nor save any sheep from wolves. I am not here to debate anyone on anything, but I will of course likley respond to questions or challenges directed to/at me, and answer questions if/when asked. I also reserve the right to keep my mouth shut, ok?
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Post by 777 on Dec 31, 2019 13:22:34 GMT -5
It is great to have you join us!
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Post by Omegaman 3.0 on Dec 31, 2019 13:49:33 GMT -5
777 said: "It is great to have you join us!"
I hope that turns out to be the case. I don't know why I am here to be honest, perhaps just curiousity. Some of the members here, seem to be on mission (I am assuming it is "their" mission, not Narrow Way's mission) to save the sheep at Worthy from wolves like me. Some of them are of course (whether intentional or not) a bit disruptive and divisive in their zeal. Of course that behavior is not limited to them, or even to only one side of the debates being engaged in. If it is not obvious, I am referring primarily to OSAS etc.
Here, because of my theological position and my administrative position at Worthy, I feel a bit like walking on eggshells, which is not something I am not wired for. One thing which I am a bit uneasy about, is knowing that I am compelled at Worthy, to take some actions regarding some of the members here, who are participating there.
It is not a personal thing. I suspect that it might be hard for some here then, not to view me as the enemy, but, I am not too worried about that. After all, I suspect that most, if not all here, are sincere Christians, and obedient Christians obey their master and love enemies.
I know, that is a lot of verbiage to respond to "It is great to have you join us!" I tend to get wordy, and speak without a plan, just let it flow. It was the "join us' part that set me on a tangent. Yes, I am joining you, but to be clear, not as a defector, lol. I think the church, the body of Christ, is all believers who are truly born again - maybe some differences of opinions here and there, but family just the same, and no, I am not eccumenical!
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Post by 777 on Dec 31, 2019 14:05:47 GMT -5
I meant join as a member. I never saw you as a defector. I am sorry John was not here to greet you, but he should be here tonight for the Fellowship time in chat. That is at 8 PM Eastern.
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Post by 777 on Dec 31, 2019 14:42:57 GMT -5
Omegaman, I did want to say one thing. I have never looked at you as a wolf. The wolves are the pack that gang up against anyone that disagrees with OSAS, like Margo or Frienduff. They spew personal attacks, and hypocrites that they are, gang up against those they provoked and report them to get them in trouble. Those are the wolves. I feel for you and the job you have to do, dealing with all the reports from the wolves.
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Post by John on Dec 31, 2019 21:32:21 GMT -5
777 said: "It is great to have you join us!" I hope that turns out to be the case. I don't know why I am here to be honest, perhaps just curiousity. Some of the members here, seem to be on mission (I am assuming it is "their" mission, not Narrow Way's mission) to save the sheep at Worthy from wolves like me. Some of them are of course (whether intentional or not) a bit disruptive and divisive in their zeal. Of course that behavior is not limited to them, or even to only one side of the debates being engaged in. If it is not obvious, I am referring primarily to OSAS etc. Here, because of my theological position and my administrative position at Worthy, I feel a bit like walking on eggshells, which is not something I am not wired for. One thing which I am a bit uneasy about, is knowing that I am compelled at Worthy, to take some actions regarding some of the members here, who are participating there. It is not a personal thing. I suspect that it might be hard for some here then, not to view me as the enemy, but, I am not too worried about that. After all, I suspect that most, if not all here, are sincere Christians, and obedient Christians obey their master and love enemies. I know, that is a lot of verbiage to respond to "It is great to have you join us!" I tend to get wordy, and speak without a plan, just let it flow. It was the "join us' part that set me on a tangent. Yes, I am joining you, but to be clear, not as a defector, lol. I think the church, the body of Christ, is all believers who are truly born again - maybe some differences of opinions here and there, but family just the same, and no, I am not eccumenical! I was working much of the day, and am just trying to catch up with all that happened this afternoon. I really don't think anyone was looking at you as a wolf. Even with all of what happened to me, I felt like you were the most even handed of those in positions of authority. I can't speak for everyone. That is just how I felt. I am not sure what all the wolf stuff is about, but I am just now trying to catch up and read through some of today's threads.
Honestly, I don't know enough about your personal beliefs to make judgements about you, and since I don't go to Worthy anymore, except from time to time when someone asks me to look at something, and I go by as a visitor. That is very seldom. As far as I am concerned, whatever you are doing at WCF is separate from what goes on here. When I welcome someone here to our family or if I were to say I am glad they joined us, it would just mean that. There is nothing underhanded about it. Just take it at face value.
As far as my past situation goes at WCF, at this point, I am too busy with this message board and other projects to care about what goes on there. We are not coordinating attacks on them. Individuals still visit there and post there, but we do not have meetings and send them off to battle wolves or whatever else. They may feel the need to do that on their own, but it is not our mission to send them off to war.
I did leave WCF with a lot of anger over the way I was done. I was falsely accused of not believing in the inerrancy of scripture, which is a lie. I was labeled non-conformist when I wasn't at odds with the Statement of Faith over there. I was blocked where I couldn't even enquire of the moderators as to why this occurred, which led to the public fight, that didn't need to happen. I would have discussed it quietly had the messenger not been cut off. I left on a Friday night thinking all was fine, and came in on a Monday, and all of this occurred with no warning. I was very angry about being done that way, but I am past that. There are just too many other things to keep me busy, between work, Narrow Way, personal ministry outside of Narrow Way, and spending time with my wife in the little bit of time off I have, I just don't care anymore.
All of that being said, I don't know of anyone that has any anger towards you or thinks bad of you. Just make yourself at home. Do what you have to do as an Administrator over there and just hang out here when you feel like it. Jump into discussions if you want to, or join us in chat, even our weekly get togethers.
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Post by John on Dec 31, 2019 22:04:15 GMT -5
Omegaman, I did want to say one thing. I have never looked at you as a wolf. The wolves are the pack that gang up against anyone that disagrees with OSAS, like Margo or Frienduff. They spew personal attacks, and hypocrites that they are, gang up against those they provoked and report them to get them in trouble. Those are the wolves. I feel for you and the job you have to do, dealing with all the reports from the wolves. Okay, so this is what the wolf thing is about! Someone called certain individuals wolves at WCF, and it carried over here? What you are describing 777 is something that I used to see as a common practice at WCF, where all those who believed in OSAS would come together, like in a wolf pack, and would keep attacking anyone that disagreed with them until they slipped and said something insulting in return, and then they would report them as a group. They used to do that to me all the time. That is how I would end up being reported dozens of times a day. It was a pack mentality, and it was always started by the OSAS people. I get what you are saying. That is different from calling everyone that just happens to believe in OSAS a wolf, or calling all of those in positions at Worthy a wolf. I don't know who Margo is, but I heard her name one other time. She must be fairly new. If they don't like her over there, she is welcome here.
Anyway, if that is what this is about, it doesn't look like anyone thinks you are a wolf Omegaman. We are just happy to have you with us, and nobody expects you to jump ship. I have never tried to get anyone to leave WCF. Those who have been frustrated over how things are going over there, I have suggested to them that if things are that bad, they can leave, but I am not actively trying to pull people out. The funny thing is, before I was pushed out, there was no thought about being at war with anyone. We were set up as a peaceful place to meet, away from the constant battles over OSAS. That one divisive issue is really the only reason why there is constant strife. Take that out, and sure, you will have little things come up from time to time, but nothing like that.
We don't allow that here, or we would be in the same position. I am allowing only one thread where people on both sides can discuss that subject, and I have strict ground rules. No repeating catch phrases. No repeating the same handful of scriptures over and over. No accusations that someone is prideful or legalistic. Everything has to be a serious attempt to discuss what each person believes the Bible passages are meaning that support or work against OSAS. Because we keep that mess out, we don't have the strife, and if someone keeps bringing it up, I remove the posts. I was told by one person there must be 20 active threads going on at WCF that have turned into an argument over OSAS in one form or another. I don't know if that is true, but it is likely not much of an exaggeration.
Enough about that. We don't need to carry on about how they run their board. If you just join in and participate like our other members, we won't weary you with complaints about WCF. As a matter of fact, we can let this be the last comment between us and you about how things are being run over there, and from now on, you are just one of the family. So once again, Welcome!
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Post by 777 on Jan 1, 2020 13:18:33 GMT -5
I was accused of saying that everyone that believed different from me was a wolf, and that landed me on 3 days of moderator review. In reality, I was saying that those who promoted OSAS that were ganging up on those who did not and attacking them for not seeing things they way they did are wolves. That has nothing to do with Omegaman or even all that believe in OSAS.
By the way, I think that was awful what Dusty Roads said to Frienduff! He attacked him directly in a long rant, and I don't think he even got placed on moderator review! It was probably worse than anything the others said that got them in trouble.
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Post by John on Jan 1, 2020 15:25:25 GMT -5
I was accused of saying that everyone that believed different from me was a wolf, and that landed me on 3 days of moderator review. In reality, I was saying that those who promoted OSAS that were ganging up on those who did not and attacking them for not seeing things they way they did are wolves. That has nothing to do with Omegaman or even all that believe in OSAS.
By the way, I think that was awful what Dusty Roads said to Frienduff! He attacked him directly in a long rant, and I don't think he even got placed on moderator review! It was probably worse than anything the others said that got them in trouble. If this Dusty Roads character promotes OSAS, I doubt he was reported.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 1, 2020 19:14:05 GMT -5
I was accused of saying that everyone that believed different from me was a wolf, and that landed me on 3 days of moderator review. In reality, I was saying that those who promoted OSAS that were ganging up on those who did not and attacking them for not seeing things they way they did are wolves. That has nothing to do with Omegaman or even all that believe in OSAS.
By the way, I think that was awful what Dusty Roads said to Frienduff! He attacked him directly in a long rant, and I don't think he even got placed on moderator review! It was probably worse than anything the others said that got them in trouble. And when these things occur , I say SIMPLY LEAP FOR JOY and REJOICE . this is why its so hard for them to ban me . OH I know they want too . But I am too busy rejoicing when I am persecuted , to fight and be mean with them . OH don't me go wrong , we need to expose , but we need to know when to leave too . DO NOT LET THEM BAIT YOU . THEY WILL for they desire us GONE . BE stern , but never mean . BUT dire and grave but be careful not to get baited . THIS IS WAR and its for the souls of men . THEY are lost , many are , All we can do is warn , rebuke , point to JESUS the bible and not men .
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