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Post by christdiedforoursins on Jan 21, 2020 13:25:10 GMT -5
Thank you,John this has not been I situation I ever imagined my self to have been in,and it bothered me quite a lot many things took me years to understand about my case..its kind of freeing not to have this over my head I just took a walk and thought about all this ,I do pray for his salvation this is my biggest hope. Thanks so much sorry its not the best topic to meet you, I saw you gave wise advice to Dezi .thank you for your time and help..I hope you have a good day 🌞its night🌜 by me so I suppose it's day by you.🙋
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Post by christdiedforoursins on Jan 22, 2020 5:05:50 GMT -5
So,,,the subject doesn't go away ,so easily,,i woke up again this morning there it is on my mind,,, a particular dream i had and a particular verse came to mind about the woman at the well the samaritan who had had 7 husbands and the man she was with was not her husband ,,Jesus said to her" go and call your husband ",she said" I have no husband". Jesus said;" that is true you have had 7 husbands and the man you are now with is not your husband "the woman said ;"sir I perceive you are a prophet".... and changes the subject in a way ....The reason why this constantly bothers me is, people often ask me where is my husband ? Am I married ? etc. Like the Samaritan woman I'm faced with ....changing the subject or telling a long confusing story I dont always want to talk about .It almost always comes up! I'm faced with men either not understanding my situation or not respecting my position.Men I think are wired to seek marriage partners etc.In a way I think I started to avoid churches and meetings,or conversations on the subject and People trying to set me up.I know Jesus knows all things ,,he knows my heart and conscience and all that has happened to me ,I find this has all turned out to be a question of faith . My faith in Jesus,who knows my situation even better than i do (if my marriage is valid or not still, who he will hold accountable,how he will use this for his purposes whether I understand it or not how he is ,was or will work in theses men's lives through this and mine included) I feel like in chess you get into check mate you can't move just like that,in a way Jesus has just been offering me living water everyday I can choose to drink or get caught up in drama I can find myself dead to the world and alive to Christ .I suppose I'm sharing this because maybe another woman might benefit ,Jesus says to the Samaritan woman. Give me to drink ! The Samaritan woman says how can you ask me for a drink your a Jew and you have no dealings with Samaritans and the well is deep and you have nothing to draw with etc...Jesus then offers her living water ;he says if you knew who asked you for a drink you would of asked him and he would of given you living water....((she makes excuses //we dont share pots\\\you have nothing to draw with ///and questions him\\\why are you asking me )).. then he says go call your husband etc.at the end of the day Jesus is the only one who can satisfy our thirst its in him were made complete he is our heavenly bridegroom.women are under the law of their husbands as long as they are alive , we died in Christ and he came to set us free from the law of sin and death that we were subject to that we might live in newness of life he is our bridegroom who laid his life down to save us from our sins and,in some cases from being the wife of seven husbands, and still finding ourselves unmarried .Jesus is faithfull he will never leave us or forsake us he has cleansed us from all unrighteousness.. In him we're a new creation.The scripture" your maker is your husband "...if we as women married ,unmarried or in between we need to find our selves fullfiled in Christ and drink deeply of the well of the waters of eternal life that only he can give ..seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and all theses things shall be added unto you ...set our affection in things in above where Christ is seated not in things in the earth ..in some ways marriage is like being bound let us be bound to Christ obey him .in Gods kingdom we ought to live in a way if we have theses things(marriage ,houses,things of this world ) as if not having them ,not meaning were negligent or unloving but that Jesus must be our focus..the more were focused on him the better we can be ministers to others in love as he pours out his love and grace into our lives we can share and help each other ...we need to be defined by our relationship with Jesus above any other definition (mrs\miss so and so )or relationship.it is written somewhere in the old testament about the land will be married,, But you will be called Hepzibah(my delight is in her )and your land married(Beulah) for the lord will take delight in you and your land will be married as a young man marries a maiden ,so will your sons marry you as the bridegroom rejoyces over his bride so will your God rejoyce over you We need to remember marriage here is a picture of what God is doing spiritually the mystery of Christ and the Church, we as the bride of Christ need to be ready for his coming make sure our dress(white robe is complete/which are the good works god prepared for us to do in Christ Jesus) and most of all be faithfull to our bridegroom not get into false teachings or wonder off after another who is not our saviour not to be seduced by the world ,but to remain pure and be washed by the word of God daily. To put on righteousness as a garment and even if our beloved tarry let us have oil in our lamps and not grow weary that we might go into the marriage supper of the lamb of God .do not let the serpent beguile us.. We must all be ready for our bridegroom when he comes we've been promised to one husband Jesus who died for us ..that we might be with him forever... I hope what I shared is interesting or helpful if anything maybe encouraging... Come lord Jesus come ...💕💞❤
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 7:07:27 GMT -5
Hi John sorry I just wrote to you the my Internet was down there is a storm here..sorry its not a very good way to Introduce myself ,thank you for your help ...my first husband has not cheated on me to my knowledge ,,I can't get hold of him he doesn't use the internet, and I was denied entry to Israel,,the second marriage I had no say really in the marriage or divorce I was quite upset about it all,the curator acted on my behalf I was not in court neither did I have a say ,,I was just told I was now divorced ,my legal status now in the population registry is divorced ,but there were witness's at the ceremony with the first husband but it seemed to be a Orthodox ceremony, I only saw their signatures but not them ..the marriage officer has given word of mouth testimony to it but that's all I have ...only similar situation I saw in the bible is Michel I do t know if he has remarried..he is hasidic last time I spoke to him he was living with two retired men ,,that's all I know ..he was a lawyer before he was religious I think criminal law or family law...he tried to convert me I think in a swimming pool before the marriage. I think he is a convert to judaisim and its difficult sometimes for converts to marry ,,and I think that's why he married me ..he was at the Christian soup kitchen that a where I met him. I don't know if I have enough understanding of all the intricacies concerning marriage and remarriage, so please consider this prayerfully. It sounds like your second marriage must have not even been a valid marriage since you and your first husband hadn't been divorced from your first husband. So I think perhaps the second marriage was actually bigamy and the first marriage would still be valid in the sight of God, just that you are separated. The fact that the first marriage was not registered I believe might only be a legal technicality, if the two of you were both freely and willingly marrying in the intention of your hearts before God and before witnesses. However, the lack of registration might be a way of your first husband not having rights over you in the eyes of the law (I don't know the laws of the land you had gotten married in)....but it might help you to be freer to live where you wish or where the Lord leads you. Perhaps since the marriage wasn't registered nobody would be able to legally force you to go back to him, if you don't want to. For example if a woman had gotten married in a Muslim country that might be a great help to her if she didn't want to go back to an abusive marriage.
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Post by John on Jan 22, 2020 7:32:52 GMT -5
The woman of Samaria had 5 husbands, not 7, and was living in fornication. Jesus was saying that she had been in 5 marriage covenants. God recognized the covenants, but that doesn't mean he was pleased with them. He was just telling her facts about her life so she would have faith to believe in him. This does show that God recognizes all marriages, but can't be used to condone divorce.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jan 22, 2020 10:41:43 GMT -5
...This does show that God recognizes all marriages...
It does not seem so:
“for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband...” - John 4:18
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Post by John on Jan 22, 2020 10:44:35 GMT -5
...This does show that God recognizes all marriages...
It does not seem so:
“for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband...” - John 4:18 That is because she is shacked up with someone she isn't legally married to.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jan 22, 2020 10:52:45 GMT -5
It does not seem so:
“for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband...” - John 4:18 That is because she is shacked up with someone she isn't legally married to.
I do not think so.
“...because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.” - Matthew 19:8
“Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” - Mark 10:9
“For I am the Lord, I do not change...” - Malachi 3:6
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Post by John on Jan 22, 2020 10:54:53 GMT -5
That is because she is shacked up with someone she isn't legally married to.
I do not think so.
“...because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.” - Matthew 19:8
“Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” - Mark 10:9
“For I am the Lord, I do not change...” - Malachi 3:6
I know so. Jesus said she had 5 husbands.
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Post by solid on Jan 22, 2020 14:44:43 GMT -5
That is because she is shacked up with someone she isn't legally married to.
I do not think so.
“...because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.” - Matthew 19:8
“Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” - Mark 10:9
“For I am the Lord, I do not change...” - Malachi 3:6
I know you are right about how God feels about divorce, but Jesus did say she had 5 husbands. We don't know the circumstances, but the guy she was with now she wasn't married to at all.
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Post by Jesus Christ teachings on Jan 23, 2020 3:53:21 GMT -5
Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matthew 19:4-6
Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Matthew 19:8-9
All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Matthew 19:11-12
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Post by christdiedforoursins on Jan 23, 2020 8:23:42 GMT -5
Hi John sorry I just wrote to you the my Internet was down there is a storm here..sorry its not a very good way to Introduce myself ,thank you for your help ...my first husband has not cheated on me to my knowledge ,,I can't get hold of him he doesn't use the internet, and I was denied entry to Israel,,the second marriage I had no say really in the marriage or divorce I was quite upset about it all,the curator acted on my behalf I was not in court neither did I have a say ,,I was just told I was now divorced ,my legal status now in the population registry is divorced ,but there were witness's at the ceremony with the first husband but it seemed to be a Orthodox ceremony, I only saw their signatures but not them ..the marriage officer has given word of mouth testimony to it but that's all I have ...only similar situation I saw in the bible is Michel I do t know if he has remarried..he is hasidic last time I spoke to him he was living with two retired men ,,that's all I know ..he was a lawyer before he was religious I think criminal law or family law...he tried to convert me I think in a swimming pool before the marriage. I think he is a convert to judaisim and its difficult sometimes for converts to marry ,,and I think that's why he married me ..he was at the Christian soup kitchen that a where I met him. I don't know if I have enough understanding of all the intricacies concerning marriage and remarriage, so please consider this prayerfully. It sounds like your second marriage must have not even been a valid marriage since you and your first husband hadn't been divorced from your first husband. So I think perhaps the second marriage was actually bigamy and the first marriage would still be valid in the sight of God, just that you are separated. The fact that the first marriage was not registered I believe might only be a legal technicality, if the two of you were both freely and willingly marrying in the intention of your hearts before God and before witnesses. However, the lack of registration might be a way of your first husband not having rights over you in the eyes of the law (I don't know the laws of the land you had gotten married in)....but it might help you to be freer to live where you wish or where the Lord leads you. Perhaps since the marriage wasn't registered nobody would be able to legally force you to go back to him, if you don't want to. For example if a woman had gotten married in a Muslim country that might be a great help to her if she didn't want to go back to an abusive marriage. Thank you for your post,,and time and care,I believe I was in bigamy,,in a strange way the second marriage might have protected me from my first husband for a time till I was safe but my fear of of the second man increased he was coaching me through every situation,,, there was a young woman shot in the toilet by her boyfriend,not too long before this,, ,(Oscar pistorius). The man put my head in the wall after an assault I knew I was in trouble.he was of a different culture than me ,some years before I had to leave my country because Pakistanis of and applied to united Nations ,,I was denied when I returned to my country I was imprisoned in a institution by my family now my case with the united Nations stands ,but the first husband was in the country I was seeking refuge ,,I was pickpockted I think ,,I lost !y ticket out I was stuck for more than two years,,I was helped by a Palestinian man after i was bitten in the face and almost thrown out of a window he called the police I repayed the ticket later,its a long story ,I was worried he might find me ,,I think he got deported from my country ,I had to call the police on him,which blocked him for 5,years but I was pregnant and didn't know it I got high blood pressure and lost twins ,I'm glad he doesn't have legal authority but my mother did ,which was worse because she had me imprisoned after I was released because people were dying In there my mother said she couldnt sleep and pardonded me somehow in the police station .I was looking for church help or support biblec dtudy and fellowship after this but from the miscarriage i had a problem with bleeding ,,I didn't get medical attention this also helped me protest not going to Canada more bravely..now the state is my guardian ,,maybe it's a good thing ,,I try to see Our fathers hand in all this how he was helping me,even my imprisonment was a blessing I had food and a time to sleep even if I was drugged.I'm praying my husband can be saved ,he was more kind after he married me but I saw was pushing me into Judaism took me to the park to be introduced to a Jewish community from a distance,but my fears from the past I can not trust his kindness ,its a mix of extreme kindness and help then he might beat me up for no reason .I was in fear for a few years I think I God PTSD a bit I was very emotional, just now I don't know where he is ,, which is unsettling,, I will have to trust God ,,I think my denial of entry to Israel was a blessing one man there in a shelter tryed to Get me to england(im of uk belguim german decent) in the air port i said to the security ,God is in control of everything this might have saved my life...its a strange thing abusive relationships it almost sets women up again for trouble or we can't get out.the character of my first husband is very difficult for me to understand, I think he knows what he was doing more than me.I didn't arrange either marriage it was out of my control,,,for now I will have to trust Our father maybe he can save him and he can be born again .a bother of mine who beat me up here is gone overseas which is good ,and my mother stopped threatening me after my other brother died last year,, I have some peace now ,,I just a slight fear about this marriage certificate my first husband has,,and if he might find me in the future for evil and not for good...I'm sorry what a terrible story to share maybe someone might be helped by it in the future ,,thank you for your message,really ,,all I know is Jesus is able to save us from the wicked schemes if men and preserve us to eternal life ..were safe with Jesus he is always with us ..I hope you are well my sister may Jesus bless and keep you thank you so much .💕💞
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Post by christdiedforoursins on Jan 23, 2020 8:31:11 GMT -5
...This does show that God recognizes all marriages...
It does not seem so:
“for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband...” - John 4:18Thank you yes ,I was quoting from memory,, I agree with what you say ,,,I just was comforted by the fact that Jesus knows what happened in our life .she was an unbeliever,,sometimes believers can be in difficult situations hard to explain and its comforting to know Jesus knows what's happened or happening and can help us better than we can help ourselves we just need to believe in him .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 9:23:20 GMT -5
I don't know if I have enough understanding of all the intricacies concerning marriage and remarriage, so please consider this prayerfully. It sounds like your second marriage must have not even been a valid marriage since you and your first husband hadn't been divorced from your first husband. So I think perhaps the second marriage was actually bigamy and the first marriage would still be valid in the sight of God, just that you are separated. The fact that the first marriage was not registered I believe might only be a legal technicality, if the two of you were both freely and willingly marrying in the intention of your hearts before God and before witnesses. However, the lack of registration might be a way of your first husband not having rights over you in the eyes of the law (I don't know the laws of the land you had gotten married in)....but it might help you to be freer to live where you wish or where the Lord leads you. Perhaps since the marriage wasn't registered nobody would be able to legally force you to go back to him, if you don't want to. For example if a woman had gotten married in a Muslim country that might be a great help to her if she didn't want to go back to an abusive marriage. Thank you for your post,,and time and care,I believe I was in bigamy,,in a strange way the second marriage might have protected me from my first husband for a time till I was safe but my fear of of the second man increased he was coaching me through every situation,,, there was a young woman shot in the toilet by her boyfriend,not too long before this,, ,(Oscar pistorius). The man put my head in the wall after an assault I knew I was in trouble.he was of a different culture than me ,some years before I had to leave my country because Pakistanis of and applied to united Nations ,,I was denied when I returned to my country I was imprisoned in a institution by my family now my case with the united Nations stands ,but the first husband was in the country I was seeking refuge ,,I was pickpockted I think ,,I lost !y ticket out I was stuck for more than two years,,I was helped by a Palestinian man after i was bitten in the face and almost thrown out of a window he called the police I repayed the ticket later,its a long story ,I was worried he might find me ,,I think he got deported from my country ,I had to call the police on him,which blocked him for 5,years but I was pregnant and didn't know it I got high blood pressure and lost twins ,I'm glad he doesn't have legal authority but my mother did ,which was worse because she had me imprisoned after I was released because people were dying In there my mother said she couldnt sleep and pardonded me somehow in the police station .I was looking for church help or support biblec dtudy and fellowship after this but from the miscarriage i had a problem with bleeding ,,I didn't get medical attention this also helped me protest not going to Canada more bravely..now the state is my guardian ,,maybe it's a good thing ,,I try to see Our fathers hand in all this how he was helping me,even my imprisonment was a blessing I had food and a time to sleep even if I was drugged.I'm praying my husband can be saved ,he was more kind after he married me but I saw was pushing me into Judaism took me to the park to be introduced to a Jewish community from a distance,but my fears from the past I can not trust his kindness ,its a mix of extreme kindness and help then he might beat me up for no reason .I was in fear for a few years I think I God PTSD a bit I was very emotional, just now I don't know where he is ,, which is unsettling,, I will have to trust God ,,I think my denial of entry to Israel was a blessing one man there in a shelter tryed to Get me to england(im of uk belguim german decent) in the air port i said to the security ,God is in control of everything this might have saved my life...its a strange thing abusive relationships it almost sets women up again for trouble or we can't get out.the character of my first husband is very difficult for me to understand, I think he knows what he was doing more than me.I didn't arrange either marriage it was out of my control,,,for now I will have to trust Our father maybe he can save him and he can be born again .a bother of mine who beat me up here is gone overseas which is good ,and my mother stopped threatening me after my other brother died last year,, I have some peace now ,,I just a slight fear about this marriage certificate my first husband has,,and if he might find me in the future for evil and not for good...I'm sorry what a terrible story to share maybe someone might be helped by it in the future ,,thank you for your message,really ,,all I know is Jesus is able to save us from the wicked schemes if men and preserve us to eternal life ..were safe with Jesus he is always with us ..I hope you are well my sister may Jesus bless and keep you thank you so much .💕💞 Bless you sister....may the Lord bless and keep you through all your trials, knowing that He is able to work all things together for your eternal good. << ..its a strange thing abusive relationships it almost sets women up again for trouble or we can't get out. >> What you said here is very true, and I believe it usually begins when we are children. Abuses cause breaches in the integrity of our walls, so to speak...I don't know all the dynamics but the Lord has helped me to observe certain things from my own life. We may not believe that we have rights of our own and/or think we don't deserve anything better, and/or have a wrong sense that abuse is normal....and of course these are lies we believe that came from the father of lies......so there is a tendency to keep getting ourselves into the same kinds of messes over and over again. We can be vulnerable in church situations or any kind of relationships as well. May the Lord heal you down to the roots of your life, dear sister.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 11:13:37 GMT -5
It does not seem so:
“for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband...” - John 4:18 Thank you yes ,I was quoting from memory,, I agree with what you say ,,,I just was comforted by the fact that Jesus knows what happened in our life .she was an unbeliever,,sometimes believers can be in difficult situations hard to explain and its comforting to know Jesus knows what's happened or happening and can help us better than we can help ourselves we just need to believe in him . Amen...it's so true that our lives can be hard to explain to those who judge things by the seeing of the eye. The Lord is doing and working out a lot of things that we probably won't even understand until we get to heaven. Who can fathom the Lord? But we can trust Him and hope in Him.
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Post by joseph on Jan 27, 2020 10:36:10 GMT -5
It is confusing in the world, and in churches, because people cannot read the Bible and Simply BELIEVE. By accepting what the world and the enemy says about all this, people give the enemy power in their lives and bring much harm and perhaps curses on themselves and their families and their friends and their acquintances and those in league with them (i.e. their churches (if the church goes along with the enemy also) , and any other group they be in that goes along with the enemy) . So, RETURN to SCRIPTURE, fully, whole-heartedly, completely, no matter the cost. Jesus is not only WORTHY, He requires this. So... I have been asking God to show me clearly about divorce and remarriage. It had to make some kind of sense as God knows we need to understand many things and he would not have left this understanding so unattainable for all of us. Marriage and Divorce has been around since Moses time at least. So God knows it's a big deal to us. I have asked God to show me if I would ever be able to be remarried as I don't want to wrong Him any further than I already have. What I feel he has shown me is this... I am not sure if my first marriage was a real marriage because my husband cheated on his first wife and left her. Later we met and he married me... but his ex wife didn't remarry for another 10 years. I was already married to him so I am assuming that means I was committing adultery when I married him and that's probably why my marriage wasn't blessed. Then, I divorced him. He has since remarried even though I was trying to reconcile the marriage when he remarried. I tried several times to get back together because I felt I had really done wrong. But, he would not and he remarried. So, at this point he has committed adultery against me by being remarried. I am now free to marry because of that. If he had never remarried I guess I would still be bound by marriage vows to him. I am not sure why I never got this before, but I was stuck on the part that I had made him sin by marrying another woman. God does not make things so complicated that we cannot figure out... we just have to listen to His spirit. This is where I feel God has led me in this journey of discovery. I hope I will still be welcome here if I ever do decide to remarry... Please let me know where you all stand on this so I know if I should go or stay. Thank you!
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